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So what i'm taking from all this is you think the iPhone isn't as good because its not as a big… Thats it basically isn't it.

Because your entire long winded post seems to be based around the fact that the iPhone 5 is smaller than the competition hence they are falling behind.

I just don't think the Android phablets/gigantophones are even competing with the iPhone 5. They're massive and as such they fit twice as much power in them - which judging by my use of the S3 Mini which is more in the iPhone 5 field, is what they need to run Android smoothly.

Samsung don't touch Apple in terms of phones or tablets, but they do in sales. Mind you, nothing ever the most popular has ever been the best. Sony and HTC on the other hand do make quality devices. But to be honest after playing for a few hours with an Xperia Z, HTC One, Blackberry 10 handset and a Nokia 920 - Id say both Windows Phone 8 and Blackberry 10 offer more immersive, smooth and beautiful phone experiences compared to Android.

Id be very happy if the iPhone 6 had the same specs as the iPhone but was smaller and thinner again, with an edge to edge screen.

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You like talking about pooing on things a lot don't you - four of your points did that. As for point 2, I do honestly think Samsung do just push stuff out without any design considerations. Have you ever held their tab 10 thing? Its like a fisher price toy. Your Nokia 920 is a nice phone though. Much better than anything Samsung have ever done. Although ironic that you make point 4 about non replaceable batteries when your phone doesn't have one either. I don't think any phone should have them either, its not 1987.

Naw, u just read it wrong
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes: Any poor person can buy an iphone. At least you have to have some credit history to buy a mercedes.

When you see places like cricket wireless getting iphones, that's when its not "exclusive" anymore. I see broke hipsters using them all the time. I've yet to see a hipster in a mercedes. Usually they are on the bus or their nice little bike.

I'll say iphone is like a camry while the S4 is like an accord. Mainstream models for different people.

There does need to be a between phone from the high end phones like vertu.

Titanium backing + Saphire crystal display with the best tech specs. Now that is something I would pay $1,500 for. And unbreakable scratchable phone that looks good.

this comparison is of relative nature, not absolute.

mercedes isnt a mercedes because of exclusivity. mercedes would be a mercedes if it costs 1 buck or a million

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remember back when that jeweller made a gold iPhone4 and it was priced at about $20,000. I am pretty sure people didn't buy that. Yeh cost does matter.

which one would you buy? cost aside...

and if it had jewelry on it? cost aside...

you got your answer

price doesnt make something better or worse
 
Windows didn't win the battle because PC's outperformed macs.

I know the history. I was saying apple has been there before where they had a superior product and just cruised to be taked over by an inferior product. Iphone was leaps and bounds ahead of the competition, that gap has been all but closed these days and it looks like the competition may strive ahead, and its not cause android is better, its just apple is cruising.
 
This is going to be a bit OT....

Are you serious? Just think a little... Most people don't have the same prescription for each eye, it would be impossible to accommodate!

I know it sounds crazy, but a quick search reveals I'm not crazy :cool:

you are joking right?

if you arent, please do take a spin in one of those automobile marvels. try the bmw while you're at it. if you have any of the 5 senses, you'll immediately spot a difference, in every possible way

and yes, luxury = simplicity, rolls-royce, bang & olufsen, etc.

I have, I've driven a 1995 BMW 325iC with a 5spd and a 2007 Audi A8L. The BMW honestly felt heavy, and as a result not very peppy, which is part of what makes a car exciting ("feeling" fast). The Audi with a 4.2L V8 didn't have the pep of a 4cyl either, but it WAS fast, and you could definitely tell, so it was still a great drive. However, there was no way I could focus enough on the MMI while driving and fiddle with the knob to so much as change the radio station. Compare that to a Hyundai (I prefer over Kia), which can actually be comfortable, where all the buttons are physical and right in front of you, and can actually feel peppy if you equip it with a 4cyl and a 5spd. And you don't have to worry about it getting keyed or stolen.
 
Closing all apps is a necessity on Android, not so much on iPhone.

And multitasking is certainly not easier on Android.

1) I can switch effortlessly between apps on the iPhone 5 with one hand. It takes some one-handed gymnastics to do that on my HTC because the apps line up vertically... Stupid.
2) Android is limited to 5 apps. On iphone I can swipe through dozens of recently opened apps.
3) Live thumbs add no value; it just uses up more resources. And, they make it harder, not easier, to identify apps. And considering Android isn't a multi-window environment where apps can spawn multiple windows, this UI treatment never made sense. But I guess it looks cooler than just showing a row of app icons. :rolleyes:

1) that's not Android - that's your HTC skin
2) that's not Android - that's your HTC skin
3) I like that my weather is live. My stocks is live. "no value" means no value to YOU. That's not a universal statement.
 
I have, I've driven a 1995 BMW 325iC with a 5spd and a 2007 Audi A8L. The BMW honestly felt heavy, and as a result not very peppy, which is part of what makes a car exciting ("feeling" fast). The Audi with a 4.2L V8 didn't have the pep of a 4cyl either, but it WAS fast, and you could definitely tell, so it was still a great drive. However, there was no way I could focus enough on the MMI while driving and fiddle with the knob to so much as change the radio station. Compare that to a Hyundai (I prefer over Kia), which can actually be comfortable, where all the buttons are physical and right in front of you, and can actually feel peppy if you equip it with a 4cyl and a 5spd. And you don't have to worry about it getting keyed or stolen.

would a 1M feel peppy? why dont you try that? or 335i? maybe z4?

changing a radio station on a8 gave you problem? one turn of that knob left or right? sorry, i find that hard to believe
what would you say about tesla s model interior?

the purpose of mmi was to remove physical button and thus provide less-distracting, more intuitive and 'display closer to the road' approach. maybe you're an exception

but sayin that kia is in any way better then a german car practically, sorry, i had to intervene
 
Why are you ridiculing the needs of other users? I like the iOS platform, I've invested a lot of money into apps - and I consider bigger screens to be a better fit for my use case. Don't you think it might be in Apple's interest to offer consumers like myself a viable option instead of telling them - in so many words - to buzz off? I just want a 5" iPhone, that's all, nobody wants to take away your "perfect" 4" screen. Jeez.

I'm not ridiculing your "needs." I'm just tired of hearing that the iPhone is "crap" just because it doesn't have huge screen. If Apple were to offer their top of the line hardware in multiple form factors, and I didn't have to carry a huge device that likely wouldn't fit into my pocket to have it, I would be more than willing to let you have your phablet. But you and I both know that won't happen. And I love the iOS ecosystem, also. I don't want to be marginalized by what I believe to be a fad in grotesquely large screens on smartphones.

And the 4" screen is not "perfect." What it is to me is a good compromise between screen size and form factor. As I said in my earlier post, I could live with a very slightly larger FF for a bigger screen, and/or a redesign of the current form factor to allow for a bigger screen. But I carried a cell phone back when they were big and clunky, and couldn't be carried in my pocket without looking like I was either packing heat, or terminally aroused. I don't want to go back to those days.
 
Well, I don't know where Apple goes. Seeing this ad I feel that next iPhone will NOT have the following things:

- NFC (because there is no space for antenna in the current design)
- 1080 screen with 468 ppi (this is obvious, they won't double the resolution again)
- 32GB storage as start option (maybe we just would have 128Gb as another option)
- 8 core CPU (too big jump)
- infrared port (doesn't fit to Apple services)

and may have just this improvement:
- 4core CPU
- 2MP front camera
- 13 MP back camera

Knowing all that and adding a fact that I have no official Apple Store in my country (no Genius bar, no easy replaces, etc.) and phones is not subsidized by providers, why I should prefer iPhone 5 or even 5S over HTC One? And plus 32GB HTC One is more than 20% cheaper here than 32GB iPhone 5! Its even cheaper than 16GB iPhone. The only two things is stopping me now from buying HTC One - it's loyalty to Apple and Java in the Android. But if Apple will really release 5S with such minor updates and HTC would release something similar to One but for Windows phone - I wouldn't think twice.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. As I've said, I've owned many Android devices, and I am a tech support person. I know of what I speak.

You know of your experience. Not of everyone else's. So when you say you know of what you speak - let's not pretend it's the only opinion or use case that matters. m'kay?
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Windows 7 is by far much more productive then mac. Much more efficient. The world's businesses run on PC. Macs are for "creative" people and "fun stuff".


That's ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I run my work Win7 machine on an iMac via Parallels. Why? Because so many of the enterprise apps that we are forced to use are only developed and supported on Windows.

But if you were to sit in front of my computer in my office I could show you multiple examples of ways that my Mac is more efficient than the Win7 machine. In fact, I often swipe over to my Mac and work on files using it rather than the Win7 machine because it's just better, more efficient and easier to use. And Win7 is the best OS MS has ever released. By far.
 
But I carried a cell phone back when they were big and clunky, and couldn't be carried in my pocket without looking like I was either packing heat, or terminally aroused. I don't want to go back to those days.

Who packs heat in their front pocket? I assume you meant front pocket because you then said "teminally aroused". Also, who has a sidewinder that bad that their left (or right) pocket would be where the bulge both initiates and terminates?

Only having some fun with you. :)

But seriously, I honestly don't get how these phones don't fit into people's pockets. As a comparison, I am 6'1", 175lbs, and I wear them things in between baggy jeans and skinny jeans (you know, the things that were just called jeans up until like 20 years ago). I haven't had trouble fitting any of these phones in my pockets, ever. And the biggest smartphone I ever had was the Lumia 920, and I must admit, it's a BEAST. I am sure some will say this information is anecdotal, but unless I am extremely misshapen (I don't think I am) or am wearing custom cut jeans (generally, they are Levi's, but I do have a pair of Lucky; I also wear slacks or a suit to work most days), I am just not seeing how people are freaking out about the size of these larger phones. It's one thing not to like them, but it's another thing entirely to make claims that they don't fit in any of your pockets right.
 
would a 1M feel peppy? why dont you try that? or 335i? maybe z4?

I don't spend my days actively seeking cars to drive. The BMW was something I needed to drive for someone else, and the Audi... that was an exception, I sought that out :D

changing a radio station on a8 gave you problem? one turn of that knob left or right? sorry, i find that hard to believe

From my limited time in the car, it didn't seem that simple, especially when the nav screen is up and I'm not familiar with the layout of the buttons next to me and I'm not going to look down while driving.

what would you say about tesla s model interior?

I've never been in one, so I can't say. However, I will say I've installed an iPad in the dash of my own car for music/nav, and a touch screen next to the windshield is much nicer to use than tactile buttons you can't see.

but sayin that kia is in any way better then a german car practically, sorry, i had to intervene

They're also easier to work on, they're cheaper to own, they weigh less, they get better fuel economy, and they're easier to use. And yes, all those things matter to me more than a power rear sunshade :)

With the possible exception of certain last-gen VWs and that Audi, I stand by what I said. Practically speaking*, I'd rather have the Kia.

*Not talking about R8, Lambos, etc.
 
SWAT or Samsung winning Apple trailing.
Bring on the products stuff the Ads, we watch commercial TV on re-run so we do not have to watch this crap propaganda.
 
iPhone ad campaign

They left out that they are "Two Years behind everyone else as we innovate every other year".
 
You know of your experience. Not of everyone else's. So when you say you know of what you speak - let's not pretend it's the only opinion or use case that matters. m'kay?

Not saying it is. Do the words "agree to disagree" have clear meaning to you?

I lay hands on more phones in a month than you likely have in your life. m'kay?
 
I do.

It's called an LC9 made by Ruger.

That gun looks too small to show a bulge anyway. :)
But I stand corrected. As you can tell, I know little about guns.

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But I agree with all you said, even the note fits in the pocket unless you're wearing women's jeans, and if you're a man you have no business wearing those.

My wife actually complains about the iPhone 5 not fitting in here jeans too. And they don't. About 1/4 of it "hangs out".
 
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Who packs heat in their front pocket? I assume you meant front pocket because you then said "teminally aroused". Also, who has a sidewinder that bad that their left (or right) pocket would be where the bulge both initiates and terminates?

Only having some fun with you. :)

But seriously, I honestly don't get how these phones don't fit into people's pockets. As a comparison, I am 6'1", 175lbs, and I wear them things in between baggy jeans and skinny jeans (you know, the things that were just called jeans up until like 20 years ago). I haven't had trouble fitting any of these phones in my pockets, ever. And the biggest smartphone I ever had was the Lumia 920, and I must admit, it's a BEAST. I am sure some will say this information is anecdotal, but unless I am extremely misshapen (I don't think I am) or am wearing custom cut jeans (generally, they are Levi's, but I do have a pair of Lucky; I also wear slacks or a suit to work most days), I am just not seeing how people are freaking out about the size of these larger phones. It's one thing not to like them, but it's another thing entirely to make claims that they don't fit in any of your pockets right.

Funny. Seriously, what I meant by packing heat is when I carry it in my shirt pocket (my preference). The 5 almost sticks out of the top of my pocket. When I carry it in my jeans it's in my back pocket.
 
Well, I don't know where Apple goes. Seeing this ad I feel that next iPhone will NOT have the following things:

- NFC (because there is no space for antenna in the current design)
- 1080 screen with 468 ppi (this is obvious, they won't double the resolution again)
- 32GB storage as start option (maybe we just would have 128Gb as another option)
- 8 core CPU (too big jump)
- infrared port (doesn't fit to Apple services)

and may have just this improvement:
- 4core CPU
- 2MP front camera
- 13 MP back camera

Knowing all that and adding a fact that I have no official Apple Store in my country (no Genius bar, no easy replaces, etc.) and phones is not subsidized by providers, why I should prefer iPhone 5 or even 5S over HTC One? And plus 32GB HTC One is more than 20% cheaper here than 32GB iPhone 5! Its even cheaper than 16GB iPhone. The only two things is stopping me now from buying HTC One - it's loyalty to Apple and Java in the Android. But if Apple will really release 5S with such minor updates and HTC would release something similar to One but for Windows phone - I wouldn't think twice.

sorry to burst your bubble, but the S4 is not a real octo core processor, it doesnt use 8 cores at once, it uses 4 cores for performance and 4 cores for power saving, both cant be used at once..

and Apple is very capable of adding NFC to the iphone, SoC's get smaller and more power efficient each year, its easily doable.

plus iphone 5 offers a snappier experience over its android competitors..
 
Would you care to share?

I've owned 6 Android devices, and I've either sold or returned them all. The Nexus 7 was the best of all, but it was still a poor imitation of the iPad.

I can't believe how many times I've heard this same thing!

Yes if you want a cheaper and bigger phone then maybe the android stuff is for you.

There are so many apps AND associated hardware devices that work only with the iPhone, I wouldn't dare to go to an android device, at least right now.
I am glad that there is competition though.
 
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