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however, we treat Apple in a different ball park based on their business. the thinking is different. If they use services we wuldn't be treating Apple better anymore than Google.. But we do...

I’m sorry, I can’t understand what you are saying.

”If they use services” - who is “they?”
 
If I tick optimised photo storage on the mac, then I solve my space issue, I also solve the above issue of being able to access my photos at all times (albeit lower res versions which is fine.... just like iphone well a laptop is a mobile device afterall) BUT, BUT , BUT I can no longer easily retreive and backup the full res version of images that originate from my iphone, or ipad as they go direct to cloud with no easy (read automatic no clicks, icloud to timemachine transfer) of full sized images.

So now I can't just back up my photos.db file as it doesn't have all the photos anymore.

I have this exact issue with my 128 GB 2013 Macbook Air. A long time ago, when Photos was still iPhoto, it let me keep my photo library on a network drive. This allowed me to keep a library with full sized photos backed up with Time Machine, but still accessible to my Macbook without having to attach anything. They stopped allowing that and now warn that data loss could occur if it's ever attempted, so now I have an optimized library on my Macbook and an old manual backup from iCloud from months ago.
 
Does this pull the full photo from icloud and upload it to google photos, and store the orig in google photos? Or does it use the optimised image on your phone in google photos, ?
The Google Photos app would upload whatever is on your phone, so you would need to have optimization turned off so that it would upload the full sized image.
 
I have this exact issue with my 128 GB 2013 Macbook Air. A long time ago, when Photos was still iPhoto, it let me keep my photo library on a network drive. This allowed me to keep a library with full sized photos backed up with Time Machine, but still accessible to my Macbook without having to attach anything. They stopped allowing that and now warn that data loss could occur if it's ever attempted, so now I have an optimized library on my Macbook and an old manual backup from iCloud from months ago.
yepp. ridiculous isn't it. It's worse than a bad joke. Shame on Apple
 
The Google Photos app would upload whatever is on your phone, so you would need to have optimization turned off so that it would upload the full sized image.
and how does that work when you have more photos storage than your phone can hold, like 100GB on a 64GB phone? for example.

And now you suggest that you need to download full photo from icloud to your phone and then back up to google? When this app supposedly goes direct bypassing the download/upload phase....
 
and how does that work when you have more photos storage than your phone can hold, like 100GB on a 64GB phone? for example.

And now you suggest that you need to download full photo from icloud to your phone and then back up to google? When this app supposedly goes direct bypassing the download/upload phase....
I was just pointing out how it operates. I wasn't the one suggesting that it be used. For smaller libraries that can fit on a phone or iPad, it's probably simple enough to just install the app and let it do it's thing, assuming one already has the full size photos on the device. There's an app for the Mac also, but I've never had good results with it.
 
If I wanted Google to have all my photos, I'd already be using their service.

Nice of Apple to provide an option for moving between platforms.

Not that I think it's anything to do with being nice, more likely a defensive maneuver to help against any monopolistic accusations.
Samsung does the same thing. I’m sure if they wanted an apple they would already be using apple
 
One workaround to this is you can access your entire iCloud Photo Library at icloud.com.

But yeah, this is a bit of an annoying limitation. It hasn't hit me because I have my iMac at home hold complete, time machine backed up copies of my library, and have optimized photos set up on my Macbook. But I understand some people can't afford to have more than one Mac.
Yeah i'm sure you can see why that work around is not really a viable solution for a number of reasons.

But yes, you have the setup that solves this problem, but Apple could solve it by adding ONE tick box to the photos app below the options for Full orginals, Optimised storage, they add another that reads 'Store full originals on timemachine, and optimised on laptop/internal'. But no, I have to buy a whole another apple mac instead. Gee thanks Tim!
 
I use and pay for both Apple photos and Google photos

I like to have them in both places just in case and also be able to use whatever features are best on each.
 
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Does this pull the full photo from icloud and upload it to google photos, and store the orig in google photos? Or does it use the optimised image on your phone in google photos, ? And i'm pretty sure google photos don't store the full image anymore unless you pay them, and they also limited the umount of previously 'unlimited' resized photos you used to be able to store. Google photos is not a serious photo storage option for anybody that actually wants to do anything other than store low res images for sharing easily.

So if this does remove the photo from icloud, and uploaded a low res photo to the google, then you are literally putting your data at risk by downsampling all your pictures to low res copies. I mean where does the orig photo go? Ugghghhh. Can anyone confirm this?
Why don’t you try it and see?

I’d guess the Google developers wouldn’t be so utterly stupid as to do the low res upload you’re concerned with, but I’ve never used it and haven’t any interest in using it.
 
I share photos with my wife through Family Sharing unless I misunderstood your post and you were referring to something else entirely.
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Google has a "Partner" sharing - my wife has access to all my photos without me having to share them manually one by one.

I haven't looked at iCloud's family sharing recently - I'll check it out again, but last I remember, I could share photos and they'd be separate from my main photo album. Google's way I really like (even though I don't use it anymore) - everything in my photo album she can access and see, even new photos, without me having to do anything.


Edit: Yeah, the iCloud Family Sharing requires me to manually select photos to share. Google's way is as if she could see my entire photo library (live) and automatically save them to hers and be notified when I take new photos.
 
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Strange. Did some money get exchanged somewhere? Why would Apple allow you to transfer to a competitor like this? Surely I'd just make people download their data and transfer it manually to dissuade them from leaving me.
Most likely, for every account link setup via Apple will be receiving a payment. It’s lead generation for Google to build their Photos customer base. This happening at the same time as Google announcing reduced quality settings for unlimited Google Photos storage is no accident. Google will be looking for new Photos customers.
 
And installing Google Photos and syncing your iDevice won't accomplish this exact thing?
Nope.

Who says Apple gets your Google id and password? Don’t you just authenticate with Google and Apple gets a token that you have successfully authenticated?
That's exactly what happens, you're correct. Apple will not receive your username or password at all. Anyone who says otherwise is fear mongering and technologically illiterate.
 
The only way to solve this issue right now...
Well, no, the best way to solve it is to not use iCloud Photos. Apple tells you right up front that it is not a backup, but people will never read and will never listen. They'll just whine when they lose everything.
 
As someone who routinely platform hops between iPhone and Pixel every few years (both are great products with their own pros and cons, let’s not get into that debate on this particular forum topic), this is greatly appreciated.

Moving between iCloud Photos and Google Photos manually when you have several thousand photos and videos is NOT an enjoyable process by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how many drugs you’ve taken.
 
What service guarantee do you have with any of them... none. :rolleyes:
I never claimed I did, or that there were. There aren't. That's why all the idiots who talk about "backups" to iCloud/Dropbox/OneDrive/GoogleDrive/etc are *so* amusing.

I would *never* allow any of the "cloud" services to be authoritative.
 
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Well, no, the best way to solve it is to not use iCloud Photos. Apple tells you right up front that it is not a backup, but people will never read and will never listen. They'll just whine when they lose everything.
just like you never read my post evidently. I know icloud is not a backup. That's the bloody point.

I mean sure, I could go back like it's 2006 and plug my phone into my laptop and also my ipad, and copy all the photos across and then file them using ACDSee or similar, and then do this for each family member, and setup a manual backup of the archived files in fact why don't i just shoot film and get it scanned in onto CD, there's my backup right there.... Or just use linux and forgo the 'it just works' integration supposedly offered by Tim Apple and co.
 
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