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If I gave you a Turing machine and told you it was way better than your standard decodethesecretnazistuff machine, would it not be magical just because you don't know how to use it?

If I could decode Nazi messages with an iPhone, and not a touring machine, would it not be magical if I can't drag an mp3 onto a decodethesecretnazistuff machine? :rolleyes:

Please. A reasonable person can still love Apple devices AND be critical of their failings. When they fail (and they do, like all companies) it isn't "magical". It's just plain old frustrating.

Even John Gruber, the biggest Apple fanboy I know, thinks this is "Apple at its most pompous":


APPLE AT ITS MOST POMPOUS

From a new iPhone page, “Why There’s Nothing Quite Like iPhone”:

Also amazing? The fact that there are over a million and a half capable, beautiful, inspiring apps on the App Store. And each and every one was reviewed and approved by a team of real live humans. With great taste. And great suggestions. And great ideas.​

Yes, thank goodness for those ideas and suggestions from App Store reviewers that make our apps so great. And thanks even more for their great taste that keeps all but the best 100 or so Flappy Bird ripoffs out of the store.
 
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Yet it's still slower at multitasking than an iPhone that's 7 months older.


Just further evidence that the S6 has serious memory management issues with regards to multi-tasking. it SHOULD for all purposes blow the M9 out of the water for multitasking. More cores, less throttling, more memory, and overall faster CPU architecture.

But, something Samsung has done with Touchwiz 5.x is absolutely broken. http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/20...the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-might-be-a-feature/

Other devices, with less resources, out-perform the S6 in multi-tasking. and it makes no sense, toher than software why.

Conversely, same testing on a Nexus 5 running stock Android 5.1.1. is FASTER using 2 year old hardware for multi-tasking.
 
These ads along with the "shot on an iphone" ads just don't make sense to me. I mean can we stick to features? Is there anything in these ads that any other smartphone couldn't do?

They do it like crap as a whole, while claiming to be identical. Seems you actually fell for their own brand of marketing. That's what Apple must fight and does with this ad.

Doing it, and doing it well is not the same thing.
 
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They do it like crap as a whole, while claiming to be identical. Seems you actually fell for their own brand of marketing. That's what Apple must fight and does with this ad.

Doing it, and doing it well is not the same thing.
agreed with the bolded above. But those "shot on an iphone" ads do nothing to show the iphone does it better than any other smartphone. It just says it was shot with an iphone.
 
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Apple should have added Ive's voice automatically reading through this poem after time you visit the page.
 
So many haters on a Apple fan forum. And so many overly strong opinions on of all things, an advertising campaign. Wow. I'm glad I don't live with most of you. I can only imagine what going to a grocery store or anywhere else with some of you is like. Btw, I've told people myself ever since I've had an iPhone that I think it's magical. To me it really is kinda magical. It may not be for some of you but for others it is. I think so many of you have become entirely too cynical/apathetic. Get over yourselves and whatever it is dragging you down in life and let others have some fun and enjoyment.

Jesus H you are joking?
To you a phone is magical? Not childbirth, or nature at it most wondrous, but a phone? I wish I had your perspective on things.
 
So many haters on a Apple fan forum. And so many overly strong opinions on of all things, an advertising campaign. Wow. I'm glad I don't live with most of you. I can only imagine what going to a grocery store or anywhere else with some of you is like. Btw, I've told people myself ever since I've had an iPhone that I think it's magical. To me it really is kinda magical. It may not be for some of you but for others it is. I think so many of you have become entirely too cynical/apathetic. Get over yourselves and whatever it is dragging you down in life and let others have some fun and enjoyment.

I don't think it's hate. I think its more that reality has hit and the kool aid has run dry. Steve Jobs had a gift for selling nothing as something.... but that went to the grave with him for Apple.

This whole campaign is taglineing: "That a phone should be more than a collection of features."
Apple had a gift for adding a feature that should have been there from day one years later and making people swoon over it (Like MMS!!!!!! Seriously?) but not so much anymore.

"Rotate your home screen." People clapped like donkeys.

When apple eventually puts an app drawer on the phone (something everyone has asked for since day one to clean up the home screen) they will position that as a revolutionary new design feature.... Johnny Ives will make videos about the class and style of having minimalistic design on the home screen.... and android users with shake their heads at the mass of idiots who embrace it like the second coming Christ.

The truth of the matter is, features of the phone and what it does and doesn't do are what sells phones. iPhone sales numbers sound impressive.... and it's a lot of units for ONE manufacturer to have on their rosters. However, in the global scheme of things, 14.8% marketshare vs. 81.5% market share for Android is telling. You can argue a lot of android devices are cheaper making them more accessible (something Apple just doesn't ever get.... but they always sell an old model for free, $99, and new model) but people can do what they want with Android. If the OS doesn't natively do something, they can get an app that makes it happen without jail breaking.

The whole IOS jailbreak community rose from a lack of features. Then there are those like me that defected to Android because basically, I don't at all like Apple's holding back features or crippling them with their stupid rules (like notification center).

The few minor benefits of their control over hardware and software are largely outweighed by feature and benefits sets of Android.

And its a choice, a preference.... but just don't shove some BS in my face every year about "revolutionary new features that will change the face of IOS" that were years past due. Going into the soon launch of the 10th iPhone, it's mostly on par now with Android, but still lacking.

It took a decade.... but people just aren't buying that marketing BS from them anymore. Love Apple. I do. Loathe that side of the apple.
 
I think Phil needs to rethink this ad campaign. Shot on iPhone was great, this one not so much.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/07/24/great-great-great

APPLE AT ITS MOST POMPOUS

From a new iPhone page, “Why There’s Nothing Quite Like iPhone”:

Also amazing? The fact that there are over a million and a half capable, beautiful, inspiring apps on the App Store. And each and every one was reviewed and approved by a team of real live humans. With great taste. And great suggestions. And great ideas.

Yes, thank goodness for those ideas and suggestions from App Store reviewers that make our apps so great. And thanks even more for their great taste that keeps all but the best 100 or so Flappy Bird ripoffs out of the store.

UPDATE: What irks here, fundamentally, is that Apple is taking credit for the great apps in the App Store, rather than giving credit to the third-party developers who make them. This plays straight into the widespread misconception that everyone who makes iOS apps works for Apple.

Gruber posted the below on Twitter.

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He's getting replies like:

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I doubt that's what Schiller was talking about. :D
 
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So many haters on a Apple fan forum. And so many overly strong opinions on of all things, an advertising campaign. Wow. I'm glad I don't live with most of you. I can only imagine what going to a grocery store or anywhere else with some of you is like. Btw, I've told people myself ever since I've had an iPhone that I think it's magical. To me it really is kinda magical. It may not be for some of you but for others it is. I think so many of you have become entirely too cynical/apathetic. Get over yourselves and whatever it is dragging you down in life and let others have some fun and enjoyment.

The term "magical" has been thrown around far too often (although I have the slight feeling that Jamerzrz and co. never go whining on Microsoft boards :) )

In his first email he felt to share his Harry Potterish vibes with his employees

https://news.microsoft.com/2014/02/04/satya-nadella-email-to-employees-on-first-day-as-ceo
 
The best advertising moves you by telling you the truth.

Apple, throughout their entire history, when effected by the helmsmanship of Steve Jobs, or his successor, Tim Cook, has strived to suit the user. … That is their magic, and that is why this advertising program is true. … Not empty ad words, but the plain unvarnished truth.
So iPhone.. Not 'an iphone' or 'the iPhone' really is magical, and that's the truth.. Mmm, in this day and age handsets are really becoming commoditized, there is so little difference between all the major players.. Just a different badge on the back. Lets be fair , they all do Facebook, email, YouTube, web searches equally well as each other, minimal difference between them except the state of mind of the folk who buy them..:p
 
The term "magical" has been thrown around far too often (although I have the slight feeling that Jamerzrz and co. never go whining on Microsoft boards :) )

In his first email he felt to share his Harry Potterish vibes with his employees

https://news.microsoft.com/2014/02/04/satya-nadella-email-to-employees-on-first-day-as-ceo
Really? Way to stay on topic. ....I think your the only one whining. Read my posts again..... I was sticking to the thread topic with very mild criticism.
 
Just further evidence that the S6 has serious memory management issues with regards to multi-tasking. it SHOULD for all purposes blow the M9 out of the water for multitasking. More cores, less throttling, more memory, and overall faster CPU architecture.

But, something Samsung has done with Touchwiz 5.x is absolutely broken. http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/20...the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-might-be-a-feature/

Other devices, with less resources, out-perform the S6 in multi-tasking. and it makes no sense, toher than software why.

Conversely, same testing on a Nexus 5 running stock Android 5.1.1. is FASTER using 2 year old hardware for multi-tasking.
What has this got to do with an iPhone ad ? , for what it's worth, my wife had just got an s6 for work, if we Ignore the stunningly beautiful screen and the unbelievably good camera pics, what is left is a super fast super smooth device.. What's with the haters...
 
What has this got to do with an iPhone ad ? , for what it's worth, my wife had just got an s6 for work, if we Ignore the stunningly beautiful screen and the unbelievably good camera pics, what is left is a super fast super smooth device.. What's with the haters...

you must have someone on ignore, cause I was directly responding to someone's post that contained a video comparison of the S6, HTC M9 and iPhone 6 speed and multitasking speed
 
Most people don't remember it was Steve Jobs who coined the term magical with the iPad back in 2010.

I remember!

The difference is, you felt that he really meant it when he said it. And it was well applied, because when the iPad first came out, it really did seem magical; there was nothing like it. But the critical point was the human touch, especially when it came from the heart of Steve Jobs.

When the word is used on this website, it comes across as insincere. Cook wants to try and continue the aura that Jobs created using some of his language, but it's not that simple.
 
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I don't think it's hate. I think its more that reality has hit and the kool aid has run dry. Steve Jobs had a gift for selling nothing as something.... but that went to the grave with him for Apple.

This whole campaign is taglineing: "That a phone should be more than a collection of features."
Apple had a gift for adding a feature that should have been there from day one years later and making people swoon over it (Like MMS!!!!!! Seriously?) but not so much anymore.

"Rotate your home screen." People clapped like donkeys.

When apple eventually puts an app drawer on the phone (something everyone has asked for since day one to clean up the home screen) they will position that as a revolutionary new design feature.... Johnny Ives will make videos about the class and style of having minimalistic design on the home screen.... and android users with shake their heads at the mass of idiots who embrace it like the second coming Christ.

The truth of the matter is, features of the phone and what it does and doesn't do are what sells phones. iPhone sales numbers sound impressive.... and it's a lot of units for ONE manufacturer to have on their rosters. However, in the global scheme of things, 14.8% marketshare vs. 81.5% market share for Android is telling. You can argue a lot of android devices are cheaper making them more accessible (something Apple just doesn't ever get.... but they always sell an old model for free, $99, and new model) but people can do what they want with Android. If the OS doesn't natively do something, they can get an app that makes it happen without jail breaking.

The whole IOS jailbreak community rose from a lack of features. Then there are those like me that defected to Android because basically, I don't at all like Apple's holding back features or crippling them with their stupid rules (like notification center).

The few minor benefits of their control over hardware and software are largely outweighed by feature and benefits sets of Android.

And its a choice, a preference.... but just don't shove some BS in my face every year about "revolutionary new features that will change the face of IOS" that were years past due. Going into the soon launch of the 10th iPhone, it's mostly on par now with Android, but still lacking.

It took a decade.... but people just aren't buying that marketing BS from them anymore. Love Apple. I do. Loathe that side of the apple.

Who on earth anointed you, or them, guardian of the truth/non Kool aid? Your opinion is no more valid than the next shlub, and by shlub I include myself off course. Using the word "Kool-aid" for everyone who is not you is disrespectful, unwarranted and just pushing buttons.

As for the "Kool-Aid theory. It's funny how I can go through ALL the posts of those supposed neutral unrelentingly negative commenters (off the "Kool Aid" and cool headed (sic)) and most often see 95-100% negative posts since the very start going back years to sometimes a full decade!

I'm not talking here about people posting specific negative views on one subject, but those that will say something negative on ANY subject, no matter what it is.

So, when did the Kool aid actually act on these people, cause their posting history doesn'T reflect that AT ALL... Are you talking about imaginary Kool aid drinkers, or real ones, Hmmm? Are you using a straw to stir this kool aid?

Funny how actual sales numbers and satisfaction surveys don't match your own views, or even the tone of many in here. Is it at all possible that those fish bowl/forum opinions don't reflect the majority of Apple owners? Seems like it.

That Apple had a lot of failures in products and quality while Jobs was there... Yes, horrible isn't it. Job wasn't magical after all...

Building scenarios is fine and dandy if it actually matches reality. The reality of the posting history of the most constantly negative Apple commenters on this forum is almost invariably negative all the way through (there are a few exceptions), without relent (using words like Fanboy, Koolaid and invoking Jobs name).

That's a lot of energy spent on something someone hates seemingly with a passion for years. Often we see in this history people talking about many Apple products supposedly bought in the years after they've ranted about previous Apple products being crap. Yet, this cognitive dissonance doesn't seem to phase them at all; no sirree... They forge on.

I don't have an issue at all with those that say anything negative about Apple, especially when its specific and not some general vague general comments like : "Apple's quality has gone down the tube since Jobs died". These things are not meant for discussion, but to push buttons.
 
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I can't believe people can get so worked up over an advertising campaign. Sheesh.

They love to criticize and pick apart anything. It's their DNA. And it's their life. The iPhone is a terrific device. Perfect? Of course not. But it is often magical. Those who can't find anything to enjoy should perhaps go back to a string between two cans.
 
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I remember!

The difference is, you felt that he really meant it when he said it. And it was well applied, because when the iPad first came out, it really did seem magical; there was nothing like it. But the critical point was the human touch, especially when it came from the heart of Steve Jobs.

When the word is used on this website, it comes across as insincere. Cook wants to try and continue the aura that Jobs created using some of his language, but it's not that simple.

Please. Magical is magical. And it comes across just fine when used by Cook. You are completely WRONG about Steve Jobs monopoly on goodness. I love Steve Jobs, and I find Tim Cook to come across as well as he did, sometimes even better.
 
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Who on earth anointed you, or them, guardian of the truth/non Kool aid? Your opinion is no more valid than the next shlub, and by shlub I include myself off course. Using the word "Kool-aid" for everyone who is not you is disrespectful, unwarranted and just pushing buttons.


I don't have an issue at all with those that say anything negative about Apple, especially when its specific and not some general vague general comments like : "Apple's quality has gone down the tube since Jobs died". These things are not meant for discussion, but to push buttons.

This is so true. The haters are unable to be specific. And they don't want to be. They just want to blindly hate. Their bitterness seems unbounded. Hopefully most readers are intelligent enough to brush off the haters with little wisp of their hands.
 
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