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Apple Launching A9X-Based 12.9" iPad Pro in November for $799+

osxmx said:
This device is not grounbreaking, although I didn't expect it to be. But the main flaw is that iOS is NOT a pro operating system, I wish somebody at Apple listened.
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Apple is selling you what they think you need ... not what you actually want. They don't care and reading the forums it seems they can do no wrong.

Lately I've been thinking about Apple and a Lance Armstrong analogy -

"Armstrong’s greatest talent “has been his knack for granting his admirers permission to think highly of themselves for thinking highly of him.”
 
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spiderman0616 said:
I tried to go for a long time with a Mac mini as my main computer, an iPad as my portable computer, and iPhone as my pocket computer. (Later added the Apple Watch as my wrist computer.)

Recently, the Mac mini started holding me back on some of the more high powered things I was trying to do with it. I also noticed that the iPad Air was sitting in my backpack more and more and only being used for Netflix about 3 times a week. Most times when I needed a portable computer, I was going to my iPhone 6 and neglecting to even think about the iPad. I tried getting a keyboard case and using it with iOS 9 beta for awhile to see if it could serve better as a makeshift laptop, and I was SORELY disappointed by the combination of iOS and a keyboard for productivity.

I am a HUGE fan of all things Apple, but I finally had to admit that the iPad was just not my thing anymore. It wasn't powerful enough to be my main computer (much like my Mac mini) and it wasn't convenient enough to choose over my iPhone. In fact, if I had to choose between leaving the house without my Apple Watch or leaving the house without my iPad, I'd leave the iPad at home every single time.

What I eventually did was sell the Mac mini AND the iPad Air, and get a 13" rMBP instead. For me, it has been a wonderful mix of power and portability with no compromises in hardware or software. Haven't missed my iPad for a second.

What I saw today with the iPad Pro did not change my mind at all. It's still iOS trying to be a computer, and it's still really just a tablet with a keyboard case. I do realize this is just Apple trying to shake things up a bit, but there is pretty good evidence now that most tablet users just use their tablets for Netflix and Facebook. I'm rooting for the iPad Pro, and I hope it takes hold in enterprise the way they want it to, but I just don't think tablets are the way of the future anymore.
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The iPhone Plus models are more of a pro model to the iPhone family than the iPad Pro is to the iPad family. I'd rather just call it an iPad Plus.
 
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mattferg said:
You obviously haven't used Windows 10. It's an OS designed extremely well for touch and desktop use, and converts as soon as you remove the keyboard.
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I was referring to 'desktop' OSes (like those wanting OS X on the iPad Pro). Windows 10 on the Surface when used in 'touch mode' definitely isn't a pure 'desktop' OS anymore. And I would say that it has many features of what you would call a phone OS. So, I am sure you are not arguing that a tablet should have a pure desktop OS, you are arguing that it have an OS between a phone OS and a desktop OS.
 
Does the pencil address the parallax issues that current styli have with the iPad?
 
stubbornapple said:
My iPad Air 2 feels small after this announcement, but the iPad pro is just not for me.
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Agreed. I'm not interested at all in it. It woulda been great if they had upgraded the internals of the Air 2 and given the 3D Touch.

But I'm good where I'm at. Heck, the Air 2 has SplitView as well..
 
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sracer said:
Me too. It should improve things on the iPad 4, but the 2 is beyond redemption.
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Are you kidding ... Apple doesn't do rear view mirror stuff ... straight ahead and if it works on past year's equipment great and if it doesn't ... they . could . care . less.
 
I will buy the 32GB Pro + Pencil. And wait for the 'real' Pro. @3x Retina 3D Touch Display and A10X with 4/8GB HBM RAM. + Maybe Phase change memory/3D XPoint as MLC Flash replacement.
 
DJTaurus said:
Amazing device. But no file system no buy.... It still can't replace fully a MacBook.
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Ridiculous. Amazing device running the cr@ppy iOS...
How about a normal OS so I could run real Photoshop, not some gimmicky sub-version?
Surface can do it, why not you Apple? What a joke :(
 
I'm not sure if it was shown in the keynote, but in case anyone wondered as well... they didn't increase the amount of icons on the Homescreen

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Robstevo said:
Except windows 8 and 10 is also designed for touch as well..... and runs perfectly great with touch.
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Meaning all those touch features that differentiate Windows 8 & 10 from a standard desktop OS, those phone OS like features, are important to have on a tablet. A tablet that doesn't look and operate to a significant degree like a phone OS would not be a good tablet. What we are arguing here about is to which degree it should adopt phone OS features or to which degree it should adopt desktop OS features (though I maintain that people who want their tablet to have essentially all features a desktop OS offers actually want a device that can be used, depending on needs, either as a tablet or as a laptop).
 
If anything, Apple should give the whole MacBook line touch screens instead of making a huge iPad. That would make so much more sense. And give the performance upgrades to the MacBooks instead of the iPads, BTW. The iPad Pro is a laptop missing its keyboard and running a phone OS. Totally pointless.

I mean, I can see why they did it. Probably more money to be made this way. It's going to hurt in the long term, though, if people want touch screen laptops and move away from OS X as a result.
 
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They could at least have tried to hide that blatantly visible latency of the stylus. But look at the videos, it's almost a quarter second behind!

Well I guess, it's ok. Not something I know many people ever having used electronic drawing pens would want, but, it's ok. Would have to see and use one in person. When I stumple upon somebody buying one.
 
pelle41m said:
I'm not sure if it was shown in the keynote, but in case anyone wondered as well... they didn't increase the amount of icons on the Homescreen

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It will look ridiculous lol

They should use the large screen size for more features like home screen widgets, floating apps etc

The OS just looks like a gimped OS. Not pro at all
 
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This iPad Pro looks like a very cool product, but $800 for a 32 GB iPad, or $949 for 128 GB? Honestly I'd rather just buy a MacBook at that point... I think the original iPad screen size is still the sweet spot for most customers (though I'm sure some will get a lot of benefit from this screen size- particularly artists and some businesses).
 
mattferg said:
...Windows 10...
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Strangely enough iPad sales still exceed Windows Surface sales. Maybe some people want their tablet to be smaller, lighter and cheaper than what the two Surface models offer. And maybe at least Windows 8 (since that is all almost all sales decisions could so far have been based of) isn't quite as touch-friendly as iOS.
 
I wish we had a smaller/lighter/cheaper Pro option with the upgraded processor and the stylus support. This is "one size" too big for me. I also wish Apple had been more clever with some way to dock the stylus, and had an eraser feature on the back end of the stylus. I'm expecting to be able to rest my palm on the surface while using the Apple Pencil. If this isn't possible, I'm going to be pissed.

I'm still going to be buying one though (the 32g version). I'm currently using a first gen iPad and the experience has become painful.
 
RogerWilco said:
I wonder how the high end model with accessories at $1350 will compete with the i7 Surface Pro using the new Skylake CPUs?
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I don't think it can.. they are very different products.

What they really did today is validate that the Surface form factor is the way forward.
 
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sracer said:
True. But a minor correction, the iPad Pro is basically a limited Surface RT.
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Right because those iPad Pro only apps from Adobe means no developers will be interested in developing software for the device.
 
sound said:
can the iPad Pro be connected to a MBP and used as a graphic tablet like a Wacom?
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Third-party software will certainly appear that will enable this. The question is whether this could be done over a wired connection to get the latency low enough.
 
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thewap said:
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So I buy a $1079 iPad Pro + $69 Pencil thing + $179 cover with keyboard and have $1350 (approx) invested in a device that can;t do what an OS X laptop can do....

And this is good WHY?
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You laptop won't have a cellular radio, so to keep the comparison honest, you should use the price of the Wifi-only iPad Pro. Your central argument still stands, but having tried to make the iPad look even more expensive in comparison by choosing the cellular version somewhat undermines the sincerity or your position.
 
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