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Hoperfully an entirely redesigned mouse.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Apple hasn't made an ergonomically comfortable mouse since the Desktop Bus Mouse II, which was discontinued in 1999.

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I've been using Logitech and Microsoft mice ever since.
 
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If they get rid of 1gb ethernet it's a total anti-consumer money grab. And, although they charge $100 extra for 10gbps ethernet, that's still cheaper than an ugly stupid dongle that takes up a USB-C port and might not be as reliable as an OEM on-board solution.

I don't see them cutting HDMI because so many casual users will want to plug this into an aftermarket display fresh out-of-the-box on Christmas morning and nowhere near as many displays support Thunderbolt.
 
I like how Apple seems to be pushing the boundaries of innovation with their next-generation Mac mini. The addition of five USB-C ports and the rumored M4 chip options sound like a significant upgrade for me!

Same here! I'll be upgrading from an 2019 Intel Mac Mini that has been running my home automation software and multiple security cameras 24/7 non-stop since 2019. Never a crash or a hiccup.

With a 2024 M4 Mini I'll definitely be looking forward to greatly reduced power consumption. And much better performance, especially on the video cameras processing.
 
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I’m figuring $2200 for the Mac mini pro with 32gb and 2tb ssd & see what the difference is between this mac a similar specd Mac Pro … my guess $3400. So for me the extra $1200 in cost is not worth it. Got the desk space ready.
I plan to buy that whole machine for $1000, by buying myself new models 3-4 years behind the rest of you.
 
I guess some people would prefer the good ol' days.
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Yes. Due to the system-on-a-chip approach now, let's ignore extensive slots for much cheaper 3rd party DIY RAM upgrades. And even external graphics cards. Hey, who needs a tower or mini-tower, right?

Well, at Apple's ghastly prices for big internal SSD capacities (around $1,200 for a 4-terabyte SSD), people have these choices:

1.) Make do with less.
2.) Get gouged for big money.
3.) Attach an external SSD, either ready-made or buy SSD and enclosure and put it together. Even with Thunderbolt 3, you get slower-than-internal data throughput, and of course the 'dongle' effect of another gadget attached to your system like a parasite (some are bus-powered, so the analogy works).

If the new systems come with Thunderbolt 5, then OWC's new $600 4-terabyte external TB 5 SSD could be a game changer, closing a lot of the distance in terms of data transfer speeds.

But with a tower, we could buy the lowest capacity SSD (since it'd be largely ignored), put in a 3rd party big SSD way cheaper and get internal speeds. Sweet! Then drop an internal hard disc drive in as a backup disk for Carbon Copy Cloner or Time Machine, all in the same box.

And there is a middle ground. Since the overwhelming majority aren't using optical drives these days (and no need for lots of RAM slots), one could cut that tower to maybe 2/3rds the size without compromising the functionality I'm talking about. Even if it were $100 extra over the cost of the anticipated Mac Mini, it'd be very cost effective for many end users.

But just as Superman had his agenda (truth, justice and the American way), Apple has their's. Unfortunately, it seems to be thin, minimalist and big profits (via BTO price gouging).
 
This is the most exciting product that I will probably never buy. Here's what I mean:

The Mac mini has always been a product that every time it updates I wish I could get one. BUT, it just works out for me to have a laptop and use it with a monitor and peripherals for desktop use, and then of course on the go as a laptop.

That was true in 2008 when I switched to Aluminum Unibody MacBook, and I've never looked back.

And now, with Apple Silicon, you can get in a laptop what you get in a Mac Mini, and even more right now with the "Max" variant in MBP.

And yet, every time Apple release a new Mac mini I think to myself "wow I would love to buy that". Then I come back to "shoot, I really just need a laptop thought".

And this one looks like the coolest one ever. Seriously, it's gonna be hard not to buy this. Sounds like it's going to be an awesome device.
Same. That’s about the time I switched to a laptop full time. It’s easy enough to just hook up to a monitor when I’m not using it in bed. Unless it’s for a server or serious processor workloads on a Studio or Pro I just don’t see the point of desktops anymore.
 
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As long as it also has ethernet and HDMI, might be usable. But 5 ports without is not usable at all.
This scenario seems very likely--especially if it's in a smaller incasing. I hope that's not what happens but I won't be surprised if it does.
 
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Shouldn't need a dock on a desktop computer...
Sure you should, at the low end. Plus it would make no sense to build a Mini larger and more costly just to fit all the low-bandwidth USB-A connections many users have. It is easy and cheap to add powered docks, switches and hubs that suit individual needs, and Minis are desktop boxes so adding custom inexpensive peripherals is logical and cost effective. If adequate bandwidth is available.

What really matters are available bandwidth and available RAM, and no one here has discussed either. I would buy a Mini in a heartbeat, but I consider 64 GB RAM the minimum appropriate for me for the next five years.
 
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If they get rid of 1gb ethernet it's a total anti-consumer money grab. And, although they charge $100 extra for 10gbps ethernet, that's still cheaper than an ugly stupid dongle that takes up a USB-C port and might not be as reliable as an OEM on-board solution.

I don't see them cutting HDMI because so many casual users will want to plug this into an aftermarket display fresh out-of-the-box on Christmas morning and nowhere near as many displays support Thunderbolt.
Anyone speculating that this new Mini might ship without Ethernet is forgetting that a major use case for Minis is in a “headless” configuration, without a monitor or input devices attached. Hard to set up a wi-fi configuration like that.

Will eat my hat if any SKU of the new Mini ships without Ethernet or HDMI. Sone folks just love to invent imaginary, speculative problems to complain about.
 
Unless it’s for a server or serious processor workloads on a Studio or Pro I just don’t see the point of desktops anymore.
Since the system-on-a-chip approach robbed us of additional RAM module slots, and Apple took away internal drive bays, much of the point of desktops is gone (other than saving money since you don't have to buy a built-in monitor). Especially now that desktop and notebook Macs use the same processors. Compelling desktop alternatives could be built. Probably won't, but could.
 
Since the system-on-a-chip approach robbed us of additional RAM module slots, and Apple took away internal drive bays, much of the point of desktops is gone (other than saving money since you don't have to buy a built-in monitor). Especially now that desktop and notebook Macs use the same processors. Compelling desktop alternatives could be built. Probably won't, but could.
No, it is not the SoC fault alone. Laptops have been RAM locked for a long time. It is where the market is going: configure when you buy, use and dispose. Look, I work a technical university and today many of the young ones (who where branded "digital natives" ironically) do not know what a file system is, nor what is inside computer and definitely do not know how to upgrade or build a computer. The few who can still lament the demise of the traditional towers.

The mini needed a design upgrade. Smaller and taller will look very good. Like the old Apple Airports Time capsule?
 
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Has anyone done a mockup to see if you can put 3 thunderbolt ports ,hdmi & Ethernet on the back of the Apple TV , plus the power cord

A previous Apple TV had one usb c port in the back , but they removed that port I think
If the new Mac mini is the same size as the Apple TV
 
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A lone USB A port on the front would be convenient for memory sticks. People who buy the cheap model are likely light duty users who will not own adaptors or hubs. Adaptors are okay for permanent connections on the back. Remember that hubs share a controler and so slow processing down.
 
How noisy will the M4 Pro version be? I fear the worst, a hot and noisy machine when doing more demanding tasks. Simply for the sake of shrinking a DESKTOP computer a few extra centimeters.

Also, I'm sure Apple will find a way to crank up the price even higher, while keeping pre-2020 base specs.

Very skeptical about this one, but we'll see...
The base M4 currently lives in an iPad… I doubt you’ll hear a thing as per all the M series mini and mini pro’s before it.
 
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