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Apple LIED about the lens cover being made out of Sapphire c

Elisha said:
Synthetic sapphire is probably lower than real sapphire.
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Even accounting for that unlikely possibility, real sapphire is 9 and most gorilla glass is at least around 7 or higher which is quartz (with the latest version approaching sapphire). A 6 is pretty low. For comparison, common glass is around a 5.5 and tooth enamel is a 5. I'm not saying this test is accurate, but if it is, yay we're a step above tooth enamel and glass made in the 1800s. Seems rather incredulous so color me skeptical.
 
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Elisha said:
Maybe they just went with a cheaper variant of synthetic sapphire or something not as hard.
Apple also conveniently forgot to mention that their telephoto lens did not have OIS and had a smaller aperture when they were boasting about the bigger aperture from last year and the fact that the smaller phone now has OIS.
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Telephoto lens has OIS.
 
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skwood said:
I'll try once more then I can't do this anymore. As has been said, whether it is sapphire or not, we can't know from those videos. It is not an apples to apples (get it?) comparison. He couldn't scratch either with the razor and he didn't scratch the 6s with the tool that scratched the 7. We don't know if the material is the same, whatever it is, because it is not comparable in scientific terms.

May or may not be sapphire, those videos don't inform us either way.
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Like I said you can be biased all you want. (I mean I'm on a Apple fan site. I get it!). But at the end of the day I've been following jerry for a while now. He did a video for the note 7 and everyOne thought he was lying. Turned out he was 100% accurate and the note 7 had a hardness level of 4 for the glass.
 
entraik said:
Like I said you can be biased all you want. (I mean I'm on a Apple fan site. I get it!). But at the end of the day I've been following jerry for a while now. He did a video for the note 7 and everyOne thought he was lying. Turned out he was 100% accurate and the note 7 had a hardness level of 4 for the glass.
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Ok you're not going to get it - I'm not being biased, you (and he) aren't presenting a fair case. I'm out.
 
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dwfaust said:
Sweet. Don't buy it. That frees one up for someone who does want one.
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Oh I bought it and I know it will be a pleasure to use. Apple gets props where due (dual camera, color gamut upgrade, new home button etc),but they lied about one thing and it's important that people know. I will use a case and screen protector. But for those that use no case, and put their phone on random surfaces... a scratched lens cover may be in your future.
 
jetlitheone said:
It does. I'm watching ifixits teardown.
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Unfortunately they didn't do anything to prove that, and just stated "two sets of optical image stabilizers." I believe they are misinformed. It's been widely noted in reviews that the telephoto lens, when selected, doesn't have OIS.
 
benz240 said:
Unfortunately they didn't do anything to prove that, and just stated "two sets of optical image stabilizers." I believe they are misinformed. It's been widely noted in reviews that the telephoto lens, when selected, doesn't have OIS.
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Yeah I think you might be right... but they kind of know what they're talking about so who knows :/
 
entraik said:
On their specs sheet it says the lens cover is made of sapphire crystal. However, Jerry Rigs confirmed from his scratch test that it is not. Apple being cheap this year :/
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What Else h
entraik said:
On their specs sheet it says the lens cover is made of sapphire crystal. However, Jerry Rigs confirmed from his scratch test that it is not. Apple being cheap this year :/
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what else have they lied about ?
 
entraik said:
Oh I bought it and I know it will be a pleasure to use. Apple gets props where due (dual camera, color gamut upgrade, new home button etc),but they lied about one thing and it's important that people know. I will use a case and screen protector. But for those that use no case, and put their phone on random surfaces... a scratched lens cover may be in your future.
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You can't prove that they lied. Some schmuck says they did. Let's see what iFixIt says before heading to Cupertino with the torches and pitchforks.
 
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entraik said:
I'm presenting facts to you. You are in denial. It's really just that
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i didn't see any facts, I saw someone I don't know except to know he is not an expert in minerology, claim that the lens is not sapphire. This is a claim, it is not a fact.
It may become a fact when more of these phones are out in the wild and more scientifically controlled tests can be done, but this guy makes his living off of social media views and being the first out the gate to tear things up and with his voiceover narrrative.
Testing to see if it was sapphire would have been easy with the proper equipment, it instead he offers up a fallacial argument of if this then that...
so to me, his report is unsubstantiated at this time... especially in light of facts that Apple has publicly stated the lens is sapphire for the last several models of phone.

Is it possible it is not sapphire? Of course.
Does Jerry or anyone know with scientific certainty at this moment? No.
 
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I would advise caution on this until we have confirmation from more reliable sources. I find it extremely hard to believe that a company like Apple, that cares so much about their reputation, would list something on their website that proves to be completely false.
 
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This things have a way of being discovered, true OR false. Unless you are so upset you won't buy the phone, let it play out.
 
I see many saying it's an anti reflective costing.

Ok. What the point of a scratchable costing in a nearly un scratchable lends cover? It seems to me having a sapphire lens cover is pointless in a scenario like this.

Not saying I'm inclined to believe this guy (though he did provide video proof), but I feel like s costing defeats the entire purpose of using the material in the first place.
 
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lordofthereef said:
I see many saying it's an anti reflective costing.

Ok. What the point of a scratchable costing in a nearly un scratchable lends cover? It seems to me having a sapphire lens cover is pointless in a scenario like this.

Not saying I'm inclined to believe this guy (though he did provide video proof), but I feel like s costing defeats the entire purpose of using the material in the first place.
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This 100 percent. Apple wouldn't use scratch proof sapphire only to coat it with something that scratches easily - in that case, might as well just use glass!

I've never had an iPhone lens cover scratch - believe me, I have tried multiple times with old iPhones.

I'm hoping and expecting this to be somehow debunked, or at least evidence that the 7 is as strong as any previous iPhone.
 
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lordofthereef said:
I see many saying it's an anti reflective costing.

Ok. What the point of a scratchable costing in a nearly un scratchable lends cover? It seems to me having a sapphire lens cover is pointless in a scenario like this.

Not saying I'm inclined to believe this guy (though he did provide video proof), but I feel like s costing defeats the entire purpose of using the material in the first place.
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Not exactly. Sapphire isn't the best at glare resistance. And the coating wears off completely. Apple did the same thing with the stainless steel Apple Watch.
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dmx said:
This 100 percent. Apple wouldn't use scratch proof sapphire only to coat it with something that scratches easily - in that case, might as well just use glass!

I've never had an iPhone lens cover scratch - believe me, I have tried multiple times with old iPhones.

I'm hoping and expecting this to be somehow debunked, or at least evidence that the 7 is as strong as any previous iPhone.
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Well they can and they have. The Sapphire on the Apple Watch has a coating that's weaker than sapphire on it.
 
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