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Apple Likely Aiming for Late October Launch of Redesigned MacBook Pro

Any news on the Airport Extreme?

Im looking for an upgrade as i have 2012 express that cant handle my updated network speeds... Any suggestions?
 
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macduke said:
Yeah, but I don't really care about that in a desktop. I want speed. Four years from my 2008 MBP to my 2012 rMBP. Four years from my 2012 rMBP to today. I don't see the speed increases one would expect. My 2012 rMBP was 148% faster in single core tests and 394% faster in multi-core tests vs. that old Core 2 Duo early 2008 model. My rMBP was a mid-range build when I ordered it. The current mid-range rMBP is only 16% faster in single core tests and 28% faster in multi-core tests. The frequency of the CPU in my 2008 machine was 2.4GHz, and my current machine is 2.6GHz, and yet all the under the hood architecture improvements, extra cores, etc led to much faster speeds. I don't see that happening anymore. They aren't getting the same kind of architecture improvements compared to chips like Apple's A-series that are just knocking it out of the park year after year and leaving the competition in the dust. My iPhone 7 benches faster than the base model 2016 MacBook and yet has two hours of extra battery life over the 6s. However, I will say that the GPU improvements on desktops have been fairly impressive. Basically Intel is holding everyone back, and there's a good reason why they've started fabricating ARM chips in their foundries. I really hope Apple finds a way to put advanced versions of their ARM chips in the Mac, with legacy instruction sets (perhaps in collaboration with Intel in their new endeavor) and a solid development transition plan. Otherwise I don't know what has been taking them so long to upgrade everything across the board.
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Do CPUs really need to be faster? Notice the difference in a computer's performance when you switch from an HDD to an SDD, or when you increase the RAM. I would argue that CPUs are mature enough that we don't need to see heavy speed improvements because all of the bottlenecks now lie elsewhere in computer systems. That's why SSDs are starting to move to PCIe rather than SATA. I would also look to developers rather than the CPU's raw speed, Intel and AMD offer CPUs to consumers that are two to eight cores. Why should Intel need to increase the speed when they have already provided tools (multi-core) that developers can utilize to increase performance. Most programs only use two cores even though up to eight is an option.

You really can't compare a mobile CPU to a desktop CPU. Yeah Apple is absolutely killing it with their A series, but how does that fair when using a full blown desktop application? It probably can't compete against an i5 let alone an i7. The same question is aimed at ARM, it's a mobile processor so how does it compare in a full desktop application?

You also can't say Intel is holding everyone back when AMD also produces CPUs. If there is as much ground to be made that you then why is AMD not blowing Intel out of the water? That would pull them out of the rut and provide a tenfold profit.

ARM might be the way of the future but as of right now it's not liable for desktop. Desktop CPUs are mature enough and fast enough that efficiency is a much larger concern than raw speed, especially when CPUs have unutilized tools that could make computers considerably faster. I'm not claiming to be an expert on CPUs, but this is the way I see it.
 
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lotzosushi said:
LONG overdue. You know there's a problem when MacRumor's buyer's guide looks like this.

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How does a computer company completely ignore it's top of the line Mac Pro for THREE years without updating it? It's honestly embarrassing. That said, I'm (im)patiently waiting for the new MacBook Pro updates.
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Bad framing.

Apple is no longer a "computer company", and the rebranding reflects this new state of things. Words DO matter.
 
Finally! Just open the floodgates already and ship now! I really need to replace my 2009 Macbook Pro that is barely holding onto its last circuits.
 
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Bryan Bowler said:
Great point! Why on earth would Apple not include a lightning connector? Surely there is enough room. I'm sure you're right...and if you are...I have to seriously question Apple's lack of continuity on ports...crazy!

Also, MagSafe has been the best thing EVER for laptops. Why on earth would they remove this?!?!
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Death of MagSafe = when a device can get 9+ hours on a single charge. Apple is expecting that you won't *need* to have it plugged in, so the entire of situation of "tripping over a cable" won't exist, negating MagSafe's purpose of being around.

Death of 3.5mm headphone jack = Eventually, all phone and tablet manufacturers will do it, but probably only when Bluetooth 5 standard is commonplace and the world sees how little the gap is between Analog sound & Bluetooth 5 sound. Also, when people (who use Android and iOS devices and laptops) see how much better USB headphones *can* sound as compared to an analog signal.

Death of LIGHTNING PORT :confused: = Yes, Apple will do it! The old iOS 30-pin connector lasted about 4 years and the current LIGHTNING port has been around for even longer than that. However, it's *still* using USB 2.0 speeds, with the possible exception of the iPad Pro. Apple is embracing USB type-C for its connection, but it also needs THUNDERBOLT. Right now, THUNDERBOLT fails to include DisplayPort 1.3 protocol and so I highly suspect that 2017 or early 2018 will be when Apple kills off the lightning connection and puts USB type-C 3.1 on all of its iOS product line and puts USB type-C with Thunderbolt 4 (with support for external 5K sst displays) on its MacBook Pro and Mac Pro line.

The timeline behind this has a lot to do with design changes due to microprocessors making the leap from 14nm to 10nm in Q4 2014 (or maybe Q1 2018). And, microLED display technology.

Apple does love to make its own propriety ports, but it hates to make things convoluted/difficult for a consumer who is willing to buy all-Apple, all-latest model gear. That's what I've seen in the past, at least!
 
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lotzosushi said:
LONG overdue. You know there's a problem when MacRumor's buyer's guide looks like this.

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How does a computer company completely ignore it's top of the line Mac Pro for THREE years without updating it? It's honestly embarrassing. That said, I'm (im)patiently waiting for the new MacBook Pro updates.
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Well I completely understand your pain, but they arent really a computer company, that's the whole reason they changed their name from Apple Computer to Apple...
*cries a little*
 
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With the iPhone 7 and Apple Watch Series 2 launches having dominated the Apple news cycle in recent weeks, attention is now turning back to the Mac lineup, which has been in need of updates for quite some time as highlighted by our Buyer's Guide. Looking ahead to the rapidly approaching holiday shopping season, rumors have suggested Apple is preparing to update several of its Mac lines before the end of the year, led by a redesigned MacBook Pro that has been rumored to be ready for launch "as soon as October."

MacRumors has learned that Apple is indeed moving rapidly toward a launch of the new MacBook Pro models, with the company's current development work on macOS 10.12.1 focused largely on preparing the operating system to support the updated hardware's new features, which have been rumored by several sources to include Touch ID support and an OLED "touch bar" replacing the current row of function keys across the top of keyboard. Apple is also said to be shifting to "Polaris" graphics chips from AMD on the higher-end 15-inch models.

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Leaked MacBook Pro top case showing space for touch bar in place of function keys​

Our understanding is that Apple is planning to seed one more beta version of macOS 10.12.1 for developer and public beta testing early next week, with a goal of finalizing the software update by the end of that week so it can be loaded onto the new hardware currently being produced by Apple's supply chain partners.

This timeline could of course change should last-minute bugs or other circumstances require adjustments to Apple's plans, but if it holds true, it appears Apple could have its new MacBook Pro models ready to ship to customers some time in the second half of October.

With an emphasis on preparing for the new MacBook Pro models and thus a need to stick to an aggressive timeline, Apple appears to be pushing off all but the most critical bug fixes and security patches beyond macOS 10.12.1. Less crucial fixes will be incorporated into the following macOS 10.12.2 update, which we understand Apple is aiming to begin seeding to developers around late October with a goal of public release around late November.

In addition to redesigned MacBook Pro models, Apple has also been rumored to be launching updated MacBook Air models with USB-C ports and new iMacs with AMD graphics chips before the end of the year. It is unclear, however, whether all three lines will be updated simultaneously and whether Apple will hold a media event to introduce the hardware or opt for a more low-key introduction via press release, perhaps with some embargoed media reviews alongside.

Finally, Apple is reportedly working with LG on a new 5K external display to replace the discontinued Apple Thunderbolt Display, although a timeframe for that product has yet to be reported. We've also yet to hear any word about the Mac Pro and Mac mini, both of which remain in significant need of updates.

Article Link: Apple Likely Aiming for Late October Launch of Redesigned MacBook Pro
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[doublepost=1475102670][/doublepost]AMD processors? Seriously? That's the worst news. Hope that rumor is false. Intel is far superior. Fingers crossed for Kaby Lake!
 
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HRoland said:
If it's gonna have 4 USB-C ports and a headphone jack only, than it absolutely won't deserve the "Pro" tag...

Everyone prepare for #USBGate, #SDCardGate, #MagSafeGate and #HDMIGate…
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Totally agree. If they don't have any common USB nor SD card slots in it, they are asking for trouble.

There is plenty of space on the sides of the 15" and even 13" offerings. Making everything USB-C would be a big freaking mistake.

I'm fine with the power going USB-C and perhaps an additional USB-C port but don't they dare take away the connector cornucopia that MacBook Pros are know for as part of the offering. I know many DSLR jocks that move the SD card from their camera to the SD slot of their rMBP to suck in the photos and video.

A 2 TB offering would be a sweet top of the line feature.
 
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smulji said:
Yes they are & so are the Kaby Lake versions that go into the 12" rMB. It's the 28W & 45W Kaby Lake Processors, which go into the 13" & 15" MBP respectively, that are not available.
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but the 15W Kaby lake processors with GT3 graphics are not available. These are the ones that apple uses in the MacBook Airs.
 
MrW0rdsw0rth said:
[doublepost=1475102670][/doublepost]AMD processors? Seriously? That's the worst news. Hope that rumor is false. Intel is far superior. Fingers crossed for Kaby Lake!
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AMD graphics processors. Not CPU.
Intel CPUs fo shizzle.

Probably a higher chance of Apple using ARM CPU processors in macs than AMD right now, at least until Zen happens next year.
 
I know Mac sales aren't typically a game-changer for Apple, but there is so much latent demand for new Macs now, it's going to be a massive quarter for Mac upgrade.
 
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