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Am I the only one that thinks the Mini is good value? All the same internals as the 12 but $100(~13%) cheaper.
I don't think you are the only one - Apple has sold millions of them after all - but you are perhaps in the minority among those who want a small form factor phone. I also have a Mini and while it's a great phone (I certainly haven't had any of the issues you've had), I would consider it to be only marginal in overall value. It has features I don't care about like lots of cameras, FaceID, and if I'm honest, 5G. I do love MagSafe, I'll admit, but that would seem to be of incremental cost to include over standard wireless charging. Most importantly, though, I really wanted a small device with an edge-to-edge display so I was willing to cough up the cash.

Whether or not Apple keeps the 12 Mini in the lineup when the next generation of phones arrive later this year could reveal some hints about how they may envision the lineup as they move the last model in the lineup away from the "classic home button look" that has characterized the iPhone since its inception. If both the 12 Mini and 12 stay, the Mini form factor has a reasonable chance to form the basis of the next SE. If only the 12 Mini stays (unlikely, IMHO), it makes a pretty strong case that the next iPhone SE will adopt the Mini form factor. Finally, if just the 12 stays, it would be a very strong indicator that the next SE will no longer be a compact device at all, instead perhaps adopting the 6" screen form factor.

Regarding the latter of the three, while that may seem unlikely because we typically think of the smallest device as the cheapest to produce, economies of scale could theoretically favor the larger device. In particular, one must consider total units expected in the years between now and the time a new Mini is released. In fact, although I limited the possibilities above to one of the iPhone 12 models, it could theoretically be one of the X/11 form factors that gets the nod. The 6.1" form factor, for example, has obvious advantages due to the LCD screen.
 
I don’t believe Apple take any notice of what is said or demanded on Internet forums. They will do their own independent research.
i wouldn't rule out social media as a source their own independent research uses. this keyboard got some high profile attention at the oscar when the director of jojo rabbit called out apple at the red carpet.
 
This is the problem with listening to small very vocal groups, not just for Apple but for the world. Twitter/Forums/Reddit are not representative for anything.

For sure on that. I suspect people who hang out on tech forums represent <1% of Apple's customer base. That said, I'm not so sure Apple based phone production decisions based on what that group of people believed.
 
The market has spoken, at a price point. The mini is way too expensive when compared to the bigger models. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a market for smaller phones.
Do you have the breakdown of sales by model? Without that we don’t know how many iPhone mini’s were sold compared to other models.
 
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Why are they paying Samsung? Wouldn't they be better off either not paying or at least forcing the supplier to settle for cents on the dollar? I mean what could Samsung do - it's not like any supplier would dare sue Apple if they have any hope of future orders.
 
Or they could give the cash to the consumers. Thus, raising the sales numbers. The problem, the price delta.
 
Why are they paying Samsung? Wouldn't they be better off either not paying or at least forcing the supplier to settle for cents on the dollar? I mean what could Samsung do - it's not like any supplier would dare sue Apple if they have any hope of future orders.
yes and all apple suppliers will not believe Apple's contractual commitments ever.
 
When paying the price of an iPhone and and iPad in one device, you need to get one that can almost meet both needs. A phone the same size as the SE that is only different due to the hardware they wont put in the SE means for all the other needs, the cheaper model will do the job fine.
 
they don't have to compare, you missed the point, the contention here is whether forums/reddit/twitter is a accurate representation of the masses, sometimes it is sometime it isn't.
More like it's never. The sad thing about people on this forum is they think they are Apple's only customers and what they want Apple to do to make them happy speaks for everyone else, when it really doesn't. I'd argue forums in general represent less than 1/10th of a percentage of Apple's customer base so I take everything I read here with a grain of salt.
 
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The miss here for Apple was not making the mini a pro model. The lineup should have been:

Pro Line
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Mini

Value Line
iPhone 12
iPhone SE
Imola, there is no way the iphone 12 can be considered as a value line iphone. Premium mid range is the best description (along with the 12 mini).
 
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i wouldn't rule out social media as a source their own independent research uses. this keyboard got some high profile attention at the oscar when the director of jojo rabbit called out apple at the red carpet.
A director at the Oscars is not the typical person posting on forums. Forums get bombarded with whiners, Apple trashing and constant complainers over personal wants rather than real problems that may need addressing by the company. Therefore Apple (like other companies) use market research coupled with their own percentage of repairs. Perhaps in the earlier years of the internet companies could use them to reference concerns since people weren't abusing forums as much simply to bash as they do today.
 
More like it's never. The sad thing about people on this forum is they think they are Apple's only customers and what they want Apple to do to make them happy speaks for everyone else, when it really doesn't. I'd argue forums in general represent less than 1/10th of a percentage of Apple's customer base so I take everything I read here with a grain of salt.
this forum sure, but u gotta be pretty blind if you think overwhelmingly amount of complaining about a specific issue on twitter and and to some degree reddit doesn't get apple's slightest attention especially when influencers are involved. the most recent one i recall being Dave2D from youtube discussed about 2018 mbp throttling issue and apple reached out to him almost next day. social medias are a powerful force to be reckon with. don't mistake that else u get left behind.
 
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A director at the Oscars is not the typical person posting on forums. Forums get bombarded with whiners, Apple trashing and constant complainers over personal wants rather than real problems that may need addressing by the company. Therefore Apple (like other companies) use market research coupled with their own percentage of repairs. Perhaps in the earlier years of the internet companies could use them to reference concerns since people weren't abusing forums as much simply to bash as they do today.
ok so which is it that you're discrediting now, cause you started out with reddit, forum, twitter, and now its just forums?
 
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I would actually love an iPhone Pro Mini - the most important feature for me is the camera.
Isn’t the iPhone Pro already small and mini?
I have small hands and iPhone X,Xs and Pro all feel very small and pocketable.
Specially case-less
 
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this forum sure, but u gotta be pretty blind if you think overwhelmingly amount of complaining about a specific issue on twitter and and to some degree reddit doesn't get apple's slightest attention especially when influencers are involved. the most recent one i recall being Dave2D from youtube discussed about 2018 mbp throttling issue and apple reached out to him almost next day. social medias are a powerful force to be reckon with. don't mistake that else u get left behind.
You are so out of left field on anything I have said. I never mentioned anything a specific issue getting completely ignored by Apple when brought up over multiple social media platforms. Dave2D is a big YouTuber and he's a single person. It's easier for big companies like Apple to focus on what he is saying. You're also ignoring the fact that Apple does have to reference on how often the same issue gets reported to their Genius Bar for repair. I also said forums are bombarded with whiners with personal wants rather than major issues. Forums are also bombarded with Apple trashing. Think about it, would you running a major corporation pay full attention to a forum that constantly bash your company out of pure hate? It's difficult to syphon through any real concerns people have.

One great example, the Touch Bar. I happen to love it. I use mine all the time because I do a great deal of video and photo editing and my pallets and scrub bar are all in the Touch Bar freeing up valuable screen real estate. If Apple paid attention to the small group on this forum who tries extremely hard to hate on the Touch Bar and drown out the people who like it in order to get Apple to remove it then I may be screwed over on something really useful. I would argue there are a great deal more people who love and use the Touch Bar than the vocal minority on forums trashing it.

This is exactly why Apple uses market research to get a more accurate count.

Lastly did it ever occur to you that Apple's own employees and executives use Macs? Did it occur to you that their own staff also reports issues? Do you think they just sit quietly and tolerate issues? I hope you don't think that. Apple's own employees and executives are also perfect references for issues. They have no agenda. People on forums do.
 
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