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Who's got the bigger lobbyists with the biggest bankroll… hmmm….

Who would have thought video game makers and phone producers would face off in state legislatures?

America, y'all are seriously borked.
 
What's the big deal here ? If the bill passes, and Apple hates it, just don't have the app store there..

This is like VPN's 'Private Internet Access' in 2016, fighting to get a law (changed) bcause their own privacy-end users matter more with "no logging"

Did they stay in Russia? No, they pulled out, because it was easier... Maybe they also didn't have to cash to fight? but even if they did, they doubt they would have won.

I AM impressed how many lobbyist Apple did to tackle their job.... They must really want this not to go through :)
 
Not a fan of lobbying whatsoever. It has no place in government. Hope apples efforts here don’t equate to much. Laws shouldn’t be bent by corporate request
 
All of it. Apple can keep their store and sell whatever they want as long as their fees are competitive.
Their fees are reasonable and customary and in line with the industry. What difference do their fees make to you? Principal of the matter? You have gotten ripped off in the past? You care for the little guy that only has to shell out $99 to rake in $$$?
 
If this law (or something similar) passes Apple is absolutely being forced. That’s what laws do. The whole purpose of laws is to force things. That can be good (like speed limits) or bad (like segregation) or in between, but it is still being forced to do/not do something.
It would force Apple to allow alternative IAP mechanisms. It would not force them to give up the store.
 
Their fees are reasonable and customary and in line with the industry. What difference do their fees make to you? Principal of the matter? You have gotten ripped off in the past? You care for the little guy that only has to shell out $99 to rake in $$$?
The law would not single out Apple. Google would be equally affected. The difference to me is 30%. It might be less but we can't know it until alternatives are allowed.
 
If Apple loses then developers lose the ability to host free apps.
Netflix hasn't lost their ability to host their app even though you don't pay for a Netflix sub through the app.

Must be because Netflix is so big and has money to throw around unlike the small developers
 
The law would not single out Apple. Google would be equally affected. The difference to me is 30%. It might be less but we can't know it until alternatives are allowed.
I'm not for government over-regulating especially when the market should be regulating through it's collective wallets, and in my opinion this is one of them. As an ex-dev I'm okay with the fee structure.

Now, do you have an app on either app store...is that why the 30% matters?
 
If Apple loses then developers lose the ability to host free apps. We also lose the equal opportunity as huge companies would be able to use cheep payment providers that are too expensive for small developers to pay or force small developers to geofence their apps to only markets they are able and/or can afford to pay taxes too instead of having Apple doing it for us.
Why would "developers lose the ability to host free apps"? Apple would still be interested in hosting them to keep App Store competitive and they are making huge profits to be able to afford it.
 
In what universe does more app stores help discovery?
In the same universe where someone thinks that Apple sells more games because it tries not to promote serious apps.
It makes it harder to find apps not easier because now you have to check multiple places and manage multiple sources. There are arguments to be made for multiple app stores but ease of discovery is very much not one of them.
Apple created the App Store game focus to make it easier to find other things because all their top 10 lists were dominated by games because that is what people bought.
 
Not a fan of lobbying whatsoever. It has no place in government. Hope apples efforts here don’t equate to much. Laws shouldn’t be bent by corporate request

Would be nice to have a government that wasn't so influenced by lobbyists, but a lobbyist was involved in the birth of this piece of proposed legislation.

From the article:

Cobb developed the bill after being approached by lobbyist Ryan O'Daniel, who represents the Coalition for App Fairness. The Coalition for App Fairness was formed in September 2020 and its members include Epic Games, Spotify, Tile, Basecamp, Blix, and other developers that have had disagreements with Apple.
 
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Every app will be able to bypass Apple's cut. $99/year per developer isn't nearly enough to pay for the App Store bills. How long until Apple has to shutdown the App Store because it isn't making a profit?
That is ****ing hilarious. Apple? Not make profit? If they could they would polish a turd and call it innovation then sell it for $349 as a collectible.
 
If Apple loses then developers lose the ability to host free apps. We also lose the equal opportunity as huge companies would be able to use cheep payment providers that are too expensive for small developers to pay or force small developers to geofence their apps to only markets they are able and/or can afford to pay taxes too instead of having Apple doing it for us.
Most people don’t understand that this legislation is a gift to big business and crushes smaller players. This legislation is really a ploy for big business to get at people’s private data so they can monetize it. Look at the players pushing the hardest for these changes. It’s other big businesses trying to get the government to help them in their data collection efforts.
 
"Giving away the app store" is more like "Making the internet free and open again." Seriously, all Apple has to do is create a way to download apps from a browser like their Macs and this will probably all go away
 
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Why would devs lose the ability to host free apps? Free apps aren't free because of Apple's 1st party payment system.
Free apps are subsidized by Apple's cut of paid apps and in-app purchases.

3rd party payment systems would be a choice, not mandated. Any dev wanting to continue using Apple's system would be free to do so.
And many would!

But not the ones which actually generate sufficient revenue needed for App Store operation.
Help me with this: Big companies would use cheap payment providers, but these providers would be simultaneously too expensive for small devs? Huh? Disregarding the illogic, the small devs could continue using the cheaper 1st party solution.
Free apps would no longer have their review/download subsidized by paid apps and apps using Apple's in-app payment system. They would likely begin to see Apple charge them for publishing new versions and for bandwidth usage.

(I'd love to be there when Facebook gets their first month's bill.)
 
If P&G would hire a lobbyist to force Walmart (or Costco, Kroger, etc.) to allow P&G to receive payment for their shampoo directly from consumers, would that be fair?

P&G: "Yeah, we'll continue to use your store, our shampoos will stay on your shelves so shoppers can see them every time they visit your store but when a shopper wants to buy a shampoo they will go to the P&G Web site to pay. You only need to provide us the shelf space and need to make sure that you keep our shampoos in stock. Also, you need to ensure your store is easily accessible, is clean and convenient, is safe and you need to keep the lights on and make sure vast amounts of shoppers enter your store every single day. You can continue to do all that, just don't expect to be paid for it. Because that wouldn't be fair to us."

The App Store provides app developers with a fantastic platform enabling them to offer their apps to the hundreds of millions of iOS users throughout the world. A developer who's creating an app in his bedroom can reach the entire world all for free! Only when someone purchases his app he shares some of the revenue with Apple. The billions of dollars a year spent on hardware, software, storage and people required to keep the App Store up and running are paid by Apple.

Another example:

If a painter strikes a deal with a single art gallery to display his paintings on consignment, he will for sure have to share more than just 30% of sales with the gallery owner. And then his paintings hang in a single gallery to which people need to make an effort to travel to in order to see his paintings.

Life is a two-way street, folks.

You can't just take take take. It's give and take... share and care. Let's not be greedy. That doesn't make the world a better place.
 
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So why are Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, etc. allowed to take all of the app store's value for free? Uber alone had over $14 Billion in revenue in 2019 and you know half that came from the iPhone. Seems a little arbitrary to limit it to digital goods.
The line is drawn when the goods are both purchased and consumed within the app.

Goods purchased outside but consumed within the app are fine (but you have to have the option to purchase within the app as well - with a few exceptions around digital equivalents for traditional media, e.g. ebooks, music, movies)

Goods purchased within the app but are consumed outside the app are fine (in fact, Apple will not let you use In-App purchases for this, forcing you to use other methods like Apple Pay for Uber/Lyft/Target/Amazon)

New: Purchasing and consuming within the app are fine for things which are excluded from being considered goods, like interactive 1-on-1 training. This is a weird new line - e.g. group classes are considered goods.
 
Aww poor Apple and Google. They're upset that the users of their products might be given more choices for apps.

This has nothing to do with consumers. This has to do with developers not wanting to give 30% (or 15%) to Apple for the privilege of distributing their apps through the App Store.

Newsflash. 30% is the standard markup in retail for most products, sometimes more. When you buy a box of cereal, guanteed that the retailer has added 30% to the price that they bought that box of cereal for. They need to pay for staff, heating, lighting, and hope that there's still a profit margin at the end of the day.

People have grown to think that digital goods are "free" because they don't have mass. They don't take up shelf space. But what about the staff to build and run the datacentres that distribute those digital goods? Bandwidth costs money. Support costs money when customers have problems.

Digital goods have a cost to distribute, and Apple deserves to take a cut of sales. The only question is - how much?
 
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That is ****ing hilarious. Apple? Not make profit? If they could they would polish a turd and call it innovation then sell it for $349 as a collectible.

Tell me the economics of running a 500-person human review team reviewing 100k apps per week, provide yearly software framework/os updates, hundreds of people on App Store customer support, human curate the app store serving 500 million customers per week, running data centers around the world to deliver many app updates to 1.5 billion customers including in China all the while providing up to 2 petabytes of free storage to each developer and free Apple Mapping services (where Google charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for high volume users) on a $99/year/developer budget.
 
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