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I'm 50/50, it'd prob be a grea TV.....but i bet :apple: would charge through the roof for it. Plus, I bet they'll do a new one every year cycle and really people can't by new TV's every year. Plus some flat screens can be had at some great prices! I'm mixed on this....
Every TV manufacturer do a new model every year, same with cars, boats, etc. Do you think people buy a new Panasonic plasma each year? Why some people think if it's apple, you always have to have the latest version?
 
The command that Siri will hear 99.999% of the time: "Siri! Zap!... Zap!... Zap!... Zap!...."

;)
 
No it is not and can not ever be. Too many variables: speech problems, heavy accents, inability to speak at all.....

This is why Apple or anyone else cannot ever develop a computer, television or other device which is solely dependent upon the human voice to control it.

Hold on, I did not say 'solely dependant' - I can talk to Siri to send an email hands free if i'm cooking or sitting traffic in the car...or I can send an email in a traditional way...

Of course voice is the ultimate interaction tool, our voices have developed over thousands of years and this is why it's been the hardest nut to crack. Years ago we would send commands by typing commands, then we had a GUI, next we are almost removing the GUI and having voice instead...this is what we all want isnt it? It's only a matter of time before this is rolled out in Dutch, Hindi... Wether people have heavy accents or speech problems is not important because there will always be a GUI alternative for disabled people, hard of hearing, blind etc. Apple have always been at the forefront of technology.

Check out the 'accessibility' settings and options within any iOS or OSX product.

Apple are at the forefront of interaction, ease of navigation, it's hard to see that that they would fail here.

I think everything will have to run liv stream via something like iTunes, maybe a completely new App that handles live stream TV... I reckon they will produce a ATV with much more functionality before the actual Apple Television is released.

Imagine a 8mm huge 50" iPad hanging on your wall, Beautifully packaged, A simple Apple remote and Siri Voice control that gets better with every iOS update...
 
No not really, so? I only pay attention to Apple news and rumors. I think it would be to much work to pay attention to all the other companies news. But I looked at that TV and it looked pretty cool.

In that case, yes it's a Google branded experiment I guess with Sony making the hardware. It has a remote with built in keyboard etc. If you search You Tube there are a few reviews on it. It's a completely integrated set.
And why are people picking on you? You honestly replied that you don't read tech news sites other then this one?
 
Just gimme a damn apple tv box with siri installed. For TV I'm sticking with my plasma.

Sure as hell apple tv (the real tv) will act as giant thunderbolt display. But please I dont do lcd/led for my TV, they only excellent for computer monitor since they resist to burn-in from static images on screen.

Even thunderbolt display has awful black level. As Steve would put it "This is $h1t!!" :p
 
i would rather have a set top box -- I don't upgrade TVs very often (I find it wasteful to get rid of a perfectly good TV every few years), but the embedded hardware required for this will certainly be obsolete before the screen. I would upgrade a set top box every few years if apple refreshed the hardware to add new capabilities, I would not want to upgrade my TV every few years.
 
My take on the future of our "TV" experience as seen by Steve Jobs

My take on the Apple TV concept.

A lot of people are making assumptions, but based on what I would like to change my TV experience I think Steve cracked the following code.

First of all, will it be an actual Television or will it be the appleTV box as we currently know it.

I think it could actually be both.
Both solutions have their pros and cons.
Both picked up on the IOS user experience, mix airplay, Siri, ... the future TV.

Pro for current appleTV.
Cheap to make
Can get a large penetration in the household
People can keep there existing set, only need to upgrade every 2 to 3 years to a new model.

Contra
Not complete integration of the system: aka still needing to explain to average user how to change to the correct channel, no control over the TV to which it is hooked. Still need a remote to operate the tv set.
If wanting to control the total content package like the IOS Walled Garden, it still lives besides other content deliveries: Blueray, DVD player, HD-DVD player, XBOX and other game console channels, other TV Manufacturers content, … Although if this succeed blue ray is passé as well, forget physical content carriers. Apple is long thru with that concept. Aka why no bluray on macs, no flash media on iPhone, iPad unless thru a control mechanism.

Pro for complete TV set
Apple has control over the total concept: content wise, application wise
Best integration of hardware and software.
Can limit what can be connected and what not: e.g. no HDMI any more?
With siri can probably do away with the complete remote thing, or just a tiny puck to activate it, to prevent the 3 kids yelling, play (choose one of the current series, tv channels kids like).

Contra
Expensive, apple fans will probably quickly follow the concept and since it is apple doing this will get a great experience. General users: average joe, will not shell out for a new TV, when their current one, is adequate at their current usage terms.
Since they do not know the user experience, could care less. So in the end a slow start for apple, with less leverage against content deliverers.
What about upgrading: people keeps TVs for at least 6 years, some a lot more. How easy will it be to upgrade? Have a current appleTV box, fitted in a removable concept. That could be easily switched for a newer version or will it be a two part concept.
AKA TV and separate break out box to provide all in and output, with one HDMI cable to the tv. Then why make a TV in the first place.
If apple limits the input and output connections (e.g. HDMI) will people adopt to it if they cannot hookup their DVD or Bluray player, no XBOX 360, WII or PS3?


In the end if I was Apple I would go for the current appleTV, but gradually phase in a complete set, and at generation 2 or 3?, have an all in system with a replaceable appleTV inside ready for an upgrade when needed, and without HDMI inputs. At that time, gaming on the appleTV will become mainstream and will their be less need for an XBOX360 or PS3. But always keep it as a separate option for cheap, and have the total TV at a premium price. It will sell, no doubt about that, it is after all Apple.

The concept of a replaceable appleTV box would be the best.
Apple could provide some different Screen sizes: from 27" to 60+", and buy it separately or together with your appleTV replaceable box. I'm sure apple can make an esthetically please TV with this. It would also need a hard drive to store your own content, and the TV becomes your iTunes server?

A major change to our TV experience will be off course in the SIRI department.
A note: people currently complaining that it is not for iPAD or iPhone 4 available, I'm of the opinion that it is still in beta testing with only iPhone 4S users, keeping the experience at their end, more manageable, when SIRI is deemed ready for total rollout, all IOS5 users will get the possibility to use SIRI, after all, the major work is done at the server end and not on the device.

Another change lies in the fact, that TV will become the next iPAD, just another consumption device in the total IOS/iTunes store Concept, with the ease of switching devices when you want too. Go from your TV to your iPad in bed, to your iPhone/iPad when away.
This all curtesy of iCloud, and wireless syncing of your preferred content.
Your media will start to live in the cloud a lot more. Probably even ad your own iMac at home in the mix as content provide for your own older still on DVD stuff, which you convert yourself, now allowed by the content producers, made easy since apple will make a deal to have a iMovies/iSeries Match for a low price.

The big concept change is at the content side, as it was done with music, Video is next.
We are already changing to a more on demand system. Apple is probably right now doing a lot of negotiations with content deliverers: current TV channels, but also Movie Houses, series producers, …
It will become more in the line of:
In the beginning subscribe to TV channels of your own choice from all over the world, and a such make up your own (mix of) channel(s). Who needs 1000 channels, when you can make your own channel.
Also on offer as right now: buying Movies or series.
As apple likes control over the price: a subscription to a tv channel will come at 4 price points, maybe more maybe less.
Free, Bronze, Silver and Gold.
Free channels are probably those channels who are currently free to air on satellite or owned by the Public broadcasting entities of a country: news and country specific content. Recording/Reviewing options depending on the channel operators choice.
Bronze channels will be the commercial channels as we know it: at a fairly low price but sponsored by commercials (maybe in control by apple itself and if done properly finally targeted at you, with things your are interested in and not for tampons if you are a single guy, …). Again recording/rewatching maybe possible or not, but if so with updated commercials!
Silver channels will be adfree, and have the ability to "record" content being aired at that moment or see what was aired in the past (maybe with a time limit of a month for adfree viewing?).
Gold channels will of course also be adfree, and being a open gate to all the content produced or delivered by that channel. Thus no longer a need to record, but just watch what you want when you want, or immediately when made available. So if you want you can watch a complete serie in one go or at least up to the point that it has been aired.

Add your own ideas at the appropriate level.

At a later stage (this will go more slowly, and will result in some revolting by some channel companies):
You will probably be able to directly subscribe to the content itself: series, movies from specific movie companies, movies in a certain theme setting like SciFi, historical fiction, older series, … Mix and match as you see fit! Content à la carte.

How will people get to know your content?
At the moment people get to know new content because it is aired on their current channels. And a lot of people start watching because of recommendations.
Like Facebook is currently the social hub, a revised Ping will be the social hub for apple. People will be able to leave recommendations for their favorite stuff, things to watch.

A good thing about this is that we probably will no longer have to deal with all the social retarted voyeuristic shows all the time on the air now, only those interested in that can subscribe to such channels, no more endless reruns.
If all goes well, content will become tailored to what the user really is interested in. And specifically cater to our wishes.

Also self publishing will probably become more mainstream. ala make your own tv for those interested.
Image some of the following:
Someone who is a great cook, be it a known name like Jamie Oliver or a no name. Armed with iMac, iPhone or iPad you can making your own cooking show.
Thanks to face time it will become interactive content: like be able to ask questions in real time for those watching the show as it is made in real time. Other interested people can (re)watch at a later date. If subscribe to that channel you can easily ask questions to the makers for more information or for new recipes to be shown.
Another interesting phenomenon is show like Dr. Phil. People can "visit" a shrink, self help group, …. thru FaceTime from within their own living room. You become part of the audience.
TV will become more interactive, you will be able to chat with friends (with picture in picture) while you are watching something on your tv.
I wonder if they will allow porn, because it seems a new avenue for the current websites. If Apple is smart they will allow it, it will only benefit the quicker adoption of the whole concept. Don't forget Sex sells best. It drove VHS, DVD and internet adoption rate much quicker that it would have been otherwise.
Just make sure that SIRI can properly identify the user. IOS already has parental controls, so just add porn already, I bet the iTunes store will become a gold mine.

In the end: TV as we know it will be more or less dead. We really will be able to choose what we want, when we want and how we want it.
Content will be subscription based and no longer owned.

Various mixes can be made available: a user subscribing to what he/she wants
To consume whatever you want, what you can find in the iTunes store for a fixed price per user. And Apple deals with the copyright owner of what you consume, be it music, books, magazines, movies, TV channels, series, … and provide them with their share of the subscription money. After all it is the best feedback that producers can get, if it is bought it has future, if not, cancel the production of that show or series.

ITunes will become the all encompassing digital content store based on subscription.
Forget spottily, forget Videostores, forget youtube, forget Facebook. It is all in the past.

Apple will deliver all what you need: and at the right price it will hit us like a bomb.
In the end The Apple TV experience will become the Apple Experience: content, social life, communication, it will all be done by Apple over the internet. iMessage, FaceTime and Ping for the social Hub, the iTunes Store for the content.

Why Apple: because they are the only ones large enough to pull such a stunt. It will takes us some years, maybe even a few decades, but that is the future and it will not be stopped.

I probably need to converting some cash in Apple stock.

Cavelion
 
This concept is taking words and actions of Steve completely out of context.

Steve said he thought he finally cracked it. Ok. That's true but if you have watched the "rememembering steve", you might have noticed that Tim Cook's anecdote about one board meeting that Steve took a piss out of Scott asking to test siri. He asked about siri's gender. He wasn't too familiar with Siri. My take on it is that Siri is a Scott's decision, it was a new technology they just acquired. I don't think Steve cracking the TV was not even after they bought Siri. It's hard to imagine such a non elegant solution coming out of Steve.

So, I think it is a matter of a new business model.
 
Every TV manufacturer do a new model every year, same with cars, boats, etc. Do you think people buy a new Panasonic plasma each year? Why some people think if it's apple, you always have to have the latest version?

The problem is the software. Sure, new TVs come out every year and you don't need to upgrade. What, though, if your TV doesn't support the new software which is necessary for some new killer feature? Apple certainly does drop support for products much quicker than TVs need replacement (see Siri on iPhone4/ iPad2). This is another reason I think an upgraded puck makes much more sense than an entire TV.
 
This concept is taking words and actions of Steve completely out of context.

People are also jumping to the conclusion that "cracking" the TV requires a screen. What can they bring to the screen that LG, Samsung, Sony, and others can't? Don't say "simplicity through lack of options"; you can already just plug in an AppleTV and never switch inputs on the TV. The "complexity" is just a necessity of being able to access BR/ Xbox/ PS/ cable/ HTPC.

One thing that it seems like people forget in that context is that much of the popularity of the iDevices rests on them playing nicely with most of the rest of the world. iPhones can talk to any other phone. iPads can hit any website. iTunes runs on Windows. An Apple television that locks you out of the rest of your content is unlikely to take off like the iDevices.
 
This concept is taking words and actions of Steve completely out of context.
I don't think Steve cracking the TV was not even after they bought Siri. It's hard to imagine such a non elegant solution coming out of Steve.

So, I think it is a matter of a new business model.

Indeed I maybe should have removed the Steve Jobs take on it.
It is actually my view of what I think Apple will be moving to business wise.
The actual appleTV project is probably of another hand than Steve.

But I do believe that "the business concept" I tried to describe is more or less the future vision of Steve. If not he was a moron, which I don't believe he was. Maybe ruthless is his dealings as he knew what he want. He was a visionair of the future. And as Apples takes on the whole concept is to try to control it all, this would be the way to go.

An as the iTunes store proves: people are willing to pay for their content: albeit it must be easy to use, and freely consummate it when, how and on what device of their choosing, Apples preference of course is on a hardware device of their making.

And I do also believe that Jobs could convince the content producers of this way of thinking, as their greatest annoyance is pirated content.
Contents producers wet dreaming is payment per view per user.
Apples take is get us as the only middleman, get the price at the precise point where the most people are willing to part with their money for the greatest profit possible.Currently iTunes may not be their cash cow, as the hardware still is, but that doesn't mean they would not actually mind to start making a profit on all generated content as well.

Publishers are satisfied since subscriptions means continued income. And Apple operates the store at break even or low profit margins, to be able to sell their hardware at a decent profit.
Users are satisfied that the have a one stop shop for all their content.
ISP and mobile phone companies are satisfied because all that stream loading means continued internet access fees paid.

Don't you love capitalsm at it's finest.

Cavelion
 
Sorry, but this idea is stupid.

We need an A5 powered, 1080p capable AppleTV yesterday. I now had an iPhone shooting 1080p video, I'm told its the greatest, and I'm told AirPlay is magnificent....yet its not, because the AppleTV is stuck in 720p dark ages. The argument over lack of content is over...there is plenty of content...MINE.

And Siri? We should be doing the basic things of controlling AppleTV with Siri now. There is little reason why this couldn't be happening.

Except the obvious. Apple plans to hold back ALL of these things that are currently lacking in their own product line up in order to push the Apple HDTV set....which is not only lame....but may be a full year or two before anyone sees one.
 
Sorry, but this idea is stupid.

Except the obvious. Apple plans to hold back ALL of these things that are currently lacking in their own product line up in order to push the Apple HDTV set....which is not only lame....but may be a full year or two before anyone sees one.

I can only agree, however it is well known that Apple is the company that only delivers when it can guarantee a decent end user experience.

Jobs was well known for his nitpicking on even the smallest details. If the whole concept can not be rolled out, the prefer to wait a bit until they can.

As such the keep everyone in the dark, and while the competition is building their vision of the future in a limited way. Apple holds back and then delivers the whole concept in one swoop. And yes, annoying as it may be, claims as being the first. Indeed the are usually not the first with any new technology as many Apple fanboys might believe. But give credit where the credit is due.
Apple seems the company that always combines all the done before elements in one elegant properly functioning whole.

That people for me is why I slowly am becoming a Apple fan, where I previously was very much against it, mostly because of their eliterian pricing.

The one thing I have a grudge against Apple is because my am not allowed the choice on my iPad to enable flash or not. I really could use it in my work as I have a site that needs flash as it has been developed by believe it or not a Mac Adept in Flashbuilder! Yes, it probably could be built in HTML5, but it was not, that choice was made, some time ago, and the resources are lacking to redo it all over again. However I made an informed choice on the matter, and still chose and bought the iPad in preference over the Galaxy Tab or any other competing android offerings. It is a small price to pay, as I can easily go sit at a computer when needed to access that specific site.

Cavelion
 
I like the idea of an Apple branded television set with Siri. But I also like the idea of just plugging in an AppleTV set top box with Siri to my existing HDTV. ;-)
 
Originally Posted by Revelation78
I can see Siri as being always "on" and not having to press any buttons. Let's face it, if you have to press a button, you might as well just use a remote. I can see that you have to say Siri or some other "code word" for it to respond to your inputs. I can also see having profiles with authority levels, so you can override your children when they are screaming at the top of their lungs at the tv to watch some kids show.
See, if Siri is always on, and I'm watching, say, Giants-Cowboys with my buddy, and I say something like "...and when we play the Redskins next week...", how will Siri know not to show me the Redskins game right now?

Maybe you should try reading the very text you quote first....
 
The biggest complaint I have about this, is that for another 1.5 years we'll have to deal with all the AppleTV rumors, uninformed posts, flame wars and everything in between. Oh and the eventual over-inflated list of features that will never happen and seemingly piss everyone off when all we get in 2013 is a voice controlled TV.

I really loathe the Apple rumor mill.
 
Let's be honest here. The TV will be gorgeous with high resolution and excellent contrast...and

GLOSSY. :eek:

Won't work in my house (and probably a lot of others) and since Apple is not one to come out with multiple models for these types of scenarios, it's going to be an issue, guaranteed. I'm all for am upgraded Siri :apple:tv set top
 
BAD mockup in photoshop.

Knowing Steve & Jony's design sensibilities... there's no way this TV is going to have a bezel surrounding the screen. It will be a black glass front, edge-to-edge... with viewable screen going all the way to the edge. The side will be either brushed aluminum or steel with any buttons on the left side.

If they really wanted to do something wickedly NEW... the screen wouldn't be black when it's off. They'd find a way to make it white, edge-to-edge.
 
I'm 50/50, it'd prob be a grea TV.....but i bet :apple: would charge through the roof for it. Plus, I bet they'll do a new one every year cycle and really people can't by new TV's every year. Plus some flat screens can be had at some great prices! I'm mixed on this....

I know, it would probably be the last TV I'd ever buy lol. I was looking at small (16" or so) flat screens for the bedroom and they are under $150 these days.

If it minimizes remotes and cables I'm all for it though!
 
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