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In my country, as an example, The Netherlands, we have various political parties, and you don't have to be rich in order to create a new political party. There is no such thing here as one party ruling the rest. Cooperation between various parties is essential in order to form a government. So what you get is several viewpoints mixed together and a consensus that everyone needs to respect different viewpoints to some degree in order to cooperate with each other. So even an "ultra" "left" or "right" party can't dominate the opponent or the other side. So basically, the harder a politician shouts how bad the other politician is or politicians are the harder he or she must take back his or her statements if being elected as the leader of the biggest party in order to work it all out which doesn't work when you're calling each other bad names...
Few comments :
1. Libertarian+Green Party candidates are usually on the ballot too. They don't get much media attention, but the same applies to smaller parties in the Netherlands.
2. In the Netherlands, because of coalitions, you're even less sure what you're actually voting for.
3. In the Netherlands, the most important decisions are taken by the ever expanding bureacracy in Brussels. It's only slightly more democratic than Hong Kong.
 
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I screen shotted this post, because it's going to be classic. Everything you know or believe is a lie, and literally, this week, is crumbling before your very eyes.

These efforts to undermine the investigation of the role of the Trump campaign in the Russian attacks on this country in 2016 are fundamentally unAmerican. Federal law enforcement paying an informant to obtain information about Trump campaign interactions with operatives of a hostile foreign power is not the scandal. Trump campaign interactions with a hostile foreign power is the scandal.
 
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These efforts to undermine the investigation of the role of the Trump campaign in the Russian attacks on this country in 2016 are fundamentally unAmerican. Federal law enforcement paying an informant to obtain information about Trump campaign interactions with operatives of a hostile foreign power is not the scandal. Trump campaign interactions with a hostile foreign power is the scandal.

Cmon.... the Hillary camp was colluding with the dubious regime in Ukraine. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
US foreign policy should be focussed on human rights instead of geopolitics.
 
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Well the endless wars and occupations were responsible for the state of Afghanistan long before the Taliban was formed. The Taliban arose from the shattered remains and burning ashes of the Mujahideen infighting after the Soviet withdrawal. As to your last point, all nations at all times in history have associated with questionable people at one time or another to further their national interests and in rare moments, the better interests of the world, see The Allies associating with the Soviets during WW2.



I believe that is the argument of those defending Kehinde Wiley's 'decapitation' painting, yes.

As an artist myself, I know some of us do really offensive and controversial stuff sometimes (Chris Ofili “dung Mary” comes to mind) but you seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill. Somehow an artist’s work fits your narrative of Obama, so you run with that. What if the painting was of a black woman chopping off the head of another black woman?

I personally do not take works of art literal as I am a student of art. I have seen other works that got people up in arms and it perplexes me......it’s just art. Nothing more.
 
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I screen shotted this post, because it's going to be classic. Everything you know or believe is a lie, and literally, this week, is crumbling before your very eyes.

The sad thing is that you're 100% convinced you're right. Brain washing is happening to a big part of society and we're not doing anything about it. it's a very scary thing and while we're laughing at people like you, it's spreading further and further. Underestimating the far reaching consequences of media channels like Fox News.

We have now reached the point where constructive dialog is no longer possible because we're not living on the same planet anymore. We can't debate facts because Fox News does not do facts, and Trump discredits all other media every chance he gets.

How much further will this polarisation go? America is very sick at the moment and I don't know if there's a cure anymore. You all have gone down a very slippery slope.
 
The sad thing is that you're 100% convinced you're right. Brain washing is happening to a big part of society and we're not doing anything about it. it's a very scary thing and while we're laughing at people like you, it's spreading further and further. Underestimating the far reaching consequences of media channels like Fox News.

We have now reached the point where constructive dialog is no longer possible because we're not living on the same planet anymore. We can't debate facts because Fox News does not do facts, and Trump discredits all other media every chance he gets.

How much further will this polarisation go? America is very sick at the moment and I don't know if there's a cure anymore. You all have gone down a very slippery slope.


Oh, don't you go believing that the right side is are the only crazy ones. The left and CNN are just a guilty at brain washing.
 
Obama was the most racist president in our history. Who encourages thugs to shoot cops? Who hires a painter that depicts the decapitation of white women to also paint his self-portrait? Who brings a Muslim kid who built a clock that looked like a bomb to the White House? Answer to all, Obama.

Takes one to know one?
 
If I'm not mistaken, the U.S. liberated Dachau and Buchenwald, and the Brits Bergen-Belsen and at least one other.

The US liberated concentration camps but not death camps. People in the camp died and survivors were in very bad shape, but they weren’t the mass execution camps. They didn’t have death chambers. Those were all liberated by the Soviets.
 
You need to step outside yourself, and do your own research apart from the MSM. This post of yours is very sad, and very telling about how you decipher information. The Man who won awards from the NAACP and now has the lowest unemployment for miniorities in history is not racist. You are believing a one sided media spin machine that fits your confirmation bias and rage for your team losing an election. You are going to be very embarrassed soon when it fully comes out what your 'team' participated in to perpetuate this lie.


Im curious as to exactly what policy Trump passed that had an affect on minority employment? Also Trump won the Ellis Island Medal of Honor from NECO, he hasn't won any awards from the NAACP. Not that it would matter. that wouldn't prove he still can't be a racist. It doesn't help the NAACP has called Trump's immigration plan racist. It's also ironic you talk about being embarrassed about lies while holding Trump up on a pedestal while the man lies on a consistent basis.
 
You guys are really putting yourself into a small box....
You're right... I forgot The Discovery Channel Complex of Networks, Showtime, Cinemax, Disney, Paramount, Marvel, Time, New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Newsweek, ....

It would seem that with (nearly... yeah, Fox News and talk radio excepted) all of the media tilting in one direction that there is still a strong enough sentiment to elect a majority in the House for 20 of the last 24 years, and candidates who identify themselves as "conservative" for the 3/7 of the presidential elections during that timeframe.

Even more shocking is for the last 40 years, the one candidate that identified himself as Conservative won in 1980, and when he governed so, had the largest electoral victory in 60 years, and it was kept from being a sweep of all 50 States by 2,000 votes in the other candidate's home state of Minnesota.

So, let's get to specifics... name a show where the protagonist is not written so that they are a left thinker, or that Conservatives are caricatured into weirdos, or mocked.

I'll give you one: Roseanne
OK, two: Last Man Standing
 
You need to step outside yourself, and do your own research apart from the MSM. This post of yours is very sad, and very telling about how you decipher information. The Man who won awards from the NAACP and now has the lowest unemployment for miniorities in history is not racist. You are believing a one sided media spin machine that fits your confirmation bias and rage for your team losing an election. You are going to be very embarrassed soon when it fully comes out what your 'team' participated in to perpetuate this lie.

I disagree. Your response is just as partisan as the post you responded to. So much so, I don't feel a need to point out the discrepancies, your response would be just another back and forth between political points of view. I always like to read the get over it type responses. In this case it was bias and rage we need to get over. Nothing new and a partisan point of view. I m sorry we all don't love Trump.

We all seem to think that OUR points of view are the correct points of view.
 
Wow! Such drama, such hyperbole... What criminal trial? You do know you need to turn off Fox News from time to time? Or you will completely lose touch with reality.

Also, a person can only digest so much hypocrisy. For example, when Obama wanted to talk with North-Korea, Fox News claimed it was criminal. And now when Trump is doing the same, he deserves the Nobel Price. See how that goes?

But just to be sure we're all on the same page:
Fact: Clinton will not be locked up.
Fact: There will not be any criminal trials for Obama.
Fact: the current president IS under investigation.
Fact: the current president is involved with porn stars, paying them bribes and lying about it.
Fact: the cabinet of the current president is so incompetent it makes my brain hurt.
Fact: the entire apparatus of the justice department under the Obama administration is under investigation and has been found to have engaged in much worse crimes than anything Trump has been acused of. I agree though that a US president won’t be held accountable for any of it (though he is almost entirely to blame for allowing it to happen).

Also, the only people who seem to know what the talking heads on Fox News are peddling are the anti trump posters. I find that to be pretty funny. Conservatives know Fox News is a joke, there are other outlets to get information from that aren’t nearly as sensationalized when presenting the information that the liberal sided media is trying desperately to avoid covering.
 
Fact: Netflix works on dozens of platforms, giving you freedom of choice.
Fact: Apple only works on Apple platforms and Windows via iTunes, restricting your freedom of choice.

The less shows Apple has, the better.
 
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No. It’s not. Sorry you’re so misinformed. Investigator General Horowitz is investigating all of these guys for illegal spying and lying to Congress.

What have they “been found” to have done? And who exactly “found” it? And which of those items are “worse crimes” than conspiring with an hostile foreign government to interfere with an US election?
 
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What have they “been found” to have done? And who exactly “found” it? And which of those items are “worse crimes” than conspiring with an hostile foreign government to interfere with an US election?
You know Trump didn’t conspire with the Russians any more than Clinton did. So stop with that garbage. I really think you should do some research on this topic. Google Investegator General Horowitz and you will likely find some information on it. Seriously though, I’m not some die hard Trump supporter, but this **** is dangerous to our democracy. The Obama justice department engaged in some seriously corrupt **** and it is beginning to surface through these reports that have been sent to congress and should be released to the public in the coming weeks.

If these same behaviors had been done by bush administration officials when Obama was preparing to take office people and the media would have lost their minds. But because you don’t like Trump you are willing to turn a blind eye to some serious corruption. That’s really disturbing. I hope you can realize the country is better off without corrupt officials from either party tampering with our democracy.
 
You're right... I forgot The Discovery Channel Complex of Networks, Showtime, Cinemax, Disney, Paramount, Marvel, Time, New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Newsweek, ....

That wold make the box you put yourself in even smaller. Maybe instead of raging and pointing fingers about how all media is liberal (which I would dispute), you should maybe think about why that is, or rather, why you perceive it that way.

Marvel? Showtime? Cinemax? Lol.
 
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You know Trump didn’t conspire with the Russians any more than Clinton did. So stop with that garbage. I really think you should do some research on this topic. Google Investegator General Horowitz and you will likely find some information on it. Seriously though, I’m not some die hard Trump supporter, but this **** is dangerous to our democracy. The Obama justice department engaged in some seriously corrupt **** and it is beginning to surface through these reports that have been sent to congress and should be released to the public in the coming weeks.

If these same behaviors had been done by bush administration officials when Obama was preparing to take office people and the media would have lost their minds. But because you don’t like Trump you are willing to turn a blind eye to some serious corruption. That’s really disturbing. I hope you can realize the country is better off without corrupt officials from either party tampering with our democracy.

So, in other words, nothing has actually been “found” by any fact-finder regarding alleged crimes by Obama’s DOJ and when you referred to “anything Trump has been accused of,” you really meant things that Trump and his supporters believe. Gotcha.

Like I said: your original statement was completely false.
 
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Obama was the most racist president in our history. Who encourages thugs to shoot cops? Who hires a painter that depicts the decapitation of white women to also paint his self-portrait? Who brings a Muslim kid who built a clock that looked like a bomb to the White House? Answer to all, Obama.

shhh, racism only works in one direction.
 
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So, in other words, nothing has actually been “found” by any fact-finder regarding alleged crimes by Obama’s DOJ and when you referred to “anything Trump has been accused of,” you really meant things that Trump and his supporters believe. Gotcha.

Like I said: your original statement was completely false.
Nope. Wrong. You clearly didn’t research like I told you to. I don’t have time to send you all the links I’ve read but I showed you how to find it. If you cared about the truth you would look for it. Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Brennan, Clapper. Those are all names of people who could face jail time for lying to Congress, lying to fisa court judges, and unwarranted spying on American citizens. Please, I mean it, hate Trump all yo want but please try to inform yourself on the real story here, not the sideshow nonsense cnn and msnbc want you focused on.

Edit: you can not just sit here and say what I’m telling you is false when you clearly don’t know anything about what has been going on.
 
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