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Breaking news: Apple, scrambling to get something after Netflix signed a deal for Obama's new documentary series, hastily signs up for Trump's new documentary series.
 
No, it’s not. But, didn’t you just complain about someone bringing up a random idiotic celebrity in this very thread?

There's no point in debating with you further.

you carry such arrogance with you when disproven. I don't care for it.

Carry on with your Anti Trump hysteria. its sad (to me) people let that define them, and consume them, but they do.
 
Obama was the most racist president in our history. Who encourages thugs to shoot cops? Who hires a painter that depicts the decapitation of white women to also paint his self-portrait? Who brings a Muslim kid who built a clock that looked like a bomb to the White House? Answer to all, Obama.


Wow...... most racist president? I see you learned nothing from US history.
 
There's no point in debating with you further.

you carry such arrogance with you when disproven. I don't care for it.

Carry on with your Anti Trump hysteria. its sad (to me) people let that define them, and consume them, but they do.

The guy who seriously believes that Michele Obama is a man and tried to post video evidence to back up that idiotic claim says that I’m guilty of hysteria. That’s genuinely funny.
 
The guy who seriously believes that Michele Obama is a man and tried to post video evidence to back up that idiotic claim says that I’m guilty of hysteria. That’s genuinely funny.

Still do. Sorry thats over your head, that you've been lied to.

I'll bet you, and others that are full of hysteria, also believe Trump referred to immigrants as 'animals' (like headlines said), not MS13.

Or if you do concede it was MS13, from watching 60 seconds of footage, because you pray he says something that can validate feigning outrage, you defend MS13. But in the same breath, attack conservatives

What a time to be alive! Where do you guys get the energy to care about petty out of context remarks, or stretching that he was referring to "some good people" as white supremacists... do you really believe the stuff you spout?

I ask because I'm in disbelief that you lie to yourself to validate your views
 
Queue the comments of Trump fan boys angrily stating they would switch to Android if Apple got the deal. Only to realise few minutes later they now have to cancel their Netflix subscription... But then decide logic, reasoning and principles don't apply to them.

I'm actually quite curious to see what they come up with. I never got the impression that Mrs. Obama actually liked politics. She just seemed to be someone supporting her spouse in his career.

It is interesting that we had a former actor who became President (Reagan) and now we have a former President going into acting.

I've recently started watching "Stranger Things" on Netflix and it is very entertaining. I'm very interested to see the original content that Apple comes up with.

But then I use both an iPhone 6S+ and a Samsung Galaxy S8+. Perhaps I should just describe myself as "smartphone fluid".
 
To be fair, obama could have ended that debate in a day by releasing his birth certificate much sooner. He was being a stubborn person and it didn’t benefit anyone. There was no reason to hide it.
Please provide a list of other presidential candidates who have had proof of their US birth publicly demanded from them.

How about this, then? What if I demand that you provide me documented proof, of a nature and in a form that I specify, that are not a robot. If you don't provide it, you're just being stubborn, there's no reason to hide it, unless maybe you are a robot. Oh, and I won't require similar proof from anyone else here, just from you. And if you don't jump through these hoops that I set up on a whim, then you are not qualified to be here.

Or maybe allowing others to set the tone and make arbitrary and selective demands isn't such a good idea.
 
To be fair, obama could have ended that debate in a day by releasing his birth certificate much sooner. He was being a stubborn person and it didn’t benefit anyone. There was no reason to hide it.
Why are you asking for it? You would have denied it was valid anyway. It was lose lose for Obama.

Anyway, still waiting for Trump to release what his so-called investigators found in Hawaii.
 
In the speech you quoted, he actually made statements against black people voting, and their right to hold office. Before he died he believed black people should be allowed to vote after-all, and thus he repudiated his statement. Abraham's racism was based on social influence, being raised in a racist and segregated society. His beliefs were based purely on ignorance, he believed the narrative he was told, that black people aren't intelligent. Thus his stance on voting and other things were founded on (in essence) "they're not intelligent enough to be given the responsibility of voting."

But despite what he was taught, he was still willing to get to know black people, and as he met intelligent black people (like Frederick Douglass, which he was actually good friends with) ... they showed him how ignorant he was, as his views changed. This isn't to say "he wanted races to marry." Or any such thing. Yes, that is still racist ... but isn't as extreme as you're attempting to make it out to be. Many races don't believe that people should marry outside of their race, black people included. It is very common in our urban community (which I am a part of) that black women get upset when black men date or marry white women.

Of course that is racist, but it's not so extreme that it should be assumed as general hate of a race. Lincoln's friendships proved the absence of his extremism. He was just ignorant and stated what he perceived to be logical at the time.

I do think he eventually supported Black soldiers voting. I don’t know that he supported all Blacks voting, but I may be wrong.

Lincoln wasn’t ignorant of Blacks. He even defended a slave owner and got his runaway slave retuned.

All of Lincoln’s changes of heart are best explained by political necessity. He supported slavery before the war. During it he freed slaves only in territories he had no authority. When the war started he didn’t want Black soldiers. But then when his war effort needed men he changed his mind. Lincoln’s changes of heart are all born out of necessity.

Also, in as much as you excuse Lincoln the same argument would excuse Confederates. If you are equal in your application of this forgiving standard then I commend you for consistency, but most people aren’t.
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A). Which of these people are the “very fine” ones?

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B). Judge Curiel diodn’t belong to any racist organizations.

I don’t think that is the group of people Trump was referring to. In fact he made it clear he wasn’t.

The judge was a member of a la raza group. That literally means ‘the race’.
 
Like Trump's tax returns......
yes. Just like that.
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Why are you asking for it? You would have denied it was valid anyway. It was lose lose for Obama.

Anyway, still waiting for Trump to release what his so-called investigators found in Hawaii.

I’m not asking for it. But enough people were he could have said hey, I understand since my dad wasn’t an American you guys have some questions, here read this. Now shut up. Instead he waited months and then did just that.
 
Lots of people showed up for different reasons, such as preserving history. Just because Nazis show up doesn’t mean you can’t carry on supporting preserving history. Otherwise Nazis could show up to any event and we could then dismiss everyone there as marching along side Nazis.

Just so i am clear the "fine people" who wanted to "preserve history" are the ones who marched along side and with Nazis and Klansmen, (who supported and openly advocated the eliminating the Jews and a race war where all non whites will be killed), said nothing to them, had no problem marching laong side them and generally didn't have a problem with them right

Second no one marches along side Nazis except other Nazis and like minded individuals. I can guarentee if Nazis show up at just about anything other than a Trump rally, what ever event or rally was happening would stop and turn on the Nazis and not "march peacefully along side them".
 
Still do. Sorry thats over your head, that you've been lied to.

I'll bet you, and others that are full of hysteria, also believe Trump referred to immigrants as 'animals' (like headlines said), not MS13.

Or if you do concede it was MS13, from watching 60 seconds of footage, because you pray he says something that can validate feigning outrage, you defend MS13. But in the same breath, attack conservatives

What a time to be alive! Where you guys get the energy to care about petty out of context remarks, or stretching that he was referring to "some good people" as white supremacists... do you really believe the stuff you spout?

I ask because I'm in disbelief that you lie to yourself to validate your views

Guess you Trump supporters will accept anything you're told by the right wing media machine.

Hey...just stay in your bubble.

When it burst (and it will) I hope you won't take it to hard as you realize the world has moved on without you..
 
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Guess you Trump supporters will accept anything you're told by the right wing media machine.

Hey...just stay in your bubble.

When it burst (and it will) I hope you won't take it to hard as you realize the world has moved on without you..

Thats not an argument, and is incredibly vague, but thank you! It has caused me to re-evaluate my views.
 
Just so i am clear the "fine people" who wanted to "preserve history" are the ones who marched along side and with Nazis and Klansmen, (who supported and openly advocated the eliminating the Jews and a race war where all non whites will be killed), said nothing to them, had no problem marching laong side them and generally didn't have a problem with them right

Second no one marches along side Nazis except other Nazis and like minded individuals. I can guarentee if Nazis show up at just about anything other than a Trump rally, what ever event or rally was happening would stop and turn on the Nazis and not "march peacefully along side them".

I don’t know that they ‘marched along side’. Do you? I’ll be honest I don’t know much about the event. I wasn’t there. Where you? The news obviously wanted to portray everyone there as being racist Nazis. But I don’t think they were. Personally I wouldn’t say much to a real group of Nazis because they are dangerous.

If your standard is held then as I said Nazis can just show up at a BLM and march worth them. Then we can say BLM marches along side Nazis.
 
Please provide a list of other presidential candidates who have had proof of their US birth publicly demanded from them.

How about this, then? What if I demand that you provide me documented proof, of a nature and in a form that I specify, that are not a robot. If you don't provide it, you're just being stubborn, there's no reason to hide it, unless maybe you are a robot. Oh, and I won't require similar proof from anyone else here, just from you. And if you don't jump through these hoops that I set up on a whim, then you are not qualified to be here.

Or maybe allowing others to set the tone and make arbitrary and selective demands isn't such a good idea.

So we shouldn’t scrutinize details about presidential candadites? Got it. This was easy to disprove. Obama let it become an issue for no reason. Not sure why you seem so upset that I’m pointing that small bit out. If I was running for the highest office in the land and you wanted proof I wasn’t a sophisticated robot I would be happy to give you a blood test and my birth certificate. Hell I’d hand over all my financial and medical records too because that’s what should be expected of all presidential candadites. It’s too imporant a job to let someone by without insuring they are qualified. I really hope everyone scrutinizing every single word out of Trumps administation will be this diligent when his successor takes office.
 
Please enlighten us, this is new to me. I thought that was merely a joke some on the right ran with. Is this another one of their dopey conspiracies?

Let's not, as its not at all related the subject at hand and I've discussed it before/its on the internet. That dude thought he was throwing shade my way, when I agree those are my views.

But you do sound eager to accept an alternating viewpoint, should it pan out, in advance. :D
 
Lincoln wasn’t ignorant of Blacks. He even defended a slave owner and got his runaway slave retuned.

All of Lincoln’s changes of heart are best explained by political necessity. He supported slavery before the war. During it he freed slaves only in territories he had no authority. When the war started he didn’t want Black soldiers. But then when his war effort needed men he changed his mind. Lincoln’s changes of heart are all born out of necessity.

Also, in as much as you excuse Lincoln the same argument would excuse Confederates. If you are equal in your application of this forgiving standard then I commend you for consistency, but most people aren’t.

I have no opinion of Confederates, I do not have enough knowledge to draw a conclusion or enough to care. But in a similar vein as you address Lincoln's changes being born out of necessity ... one can easily say that his biases, and even his speech were born out of necessity too (since he was being attacked prior to giving that speech). Which we could then conclude he was an opportunist. -- Personally, I have conversed with white Supremacists, and their views changed through interaction. As I wasn't someone who was completely against their beliefs (therefore, I didn't violate, and I heard them, because I was genuinely curious as to why they thought that way, and I actually agree with some of the views they shared). In turn, they heard me. Due to my experiences, generally speaking, I think most people who are racist hold views merely because of ignorance. But once they are shown outside of their ignorance, they tend to adjust. But if someone is attacking / offending them, be it a peaceful debate or anything in opposition, they will defend their ego (thus divide) and not be receptive.


If you're standing next to, are with, or marching along side Klansmen and Nazis it's pretty simple...you're not a fine person.

People can be raised to behave a certain way, and therefore they do so. But they can also be open to seeing outside of what they are taught. To me, that speaks volumes for what they have within them. And even if they are marching, I would say, they are fine people ... but perhaps someone else might accept: "they have the potential to be fine people, but aren't actually". -- Some people are just victims of their environment. Furthermore, there's mental constructs which cause people to do things uncharacteristic of themselves, when it's done en masse.

People can go completely insane socially even if they had no traits of insanity prior.
 
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So we shouldn’t scrutinize details about presidential candadites? Got it. This was easy to disprove. Obama let it become an issue for no reason. Not sure why you seem so upset that I’m pointing that small bit out. If I was running for the highest office in the land and you wanted proof I wasn’t a sophisticated robot I would be happy to give you a blood test and my birth certificate. Hell I’d hand over all my financial and medical records too because that’s what should be expected of all presidential candadites. It’s too imporant a job to let someone by without insuring they are qualified. I really hope everyone scrutinizing every single word out of Trumps administation will be this diligent when his successor takes office.

He did not “let it become an issue.” He produced his legally valid birth certificate before the election in 2008 (something no other president had ever done before). Blaming the subsequent birther idiocy on Obama is beyond ridiculous.
 
So we shouldn’t scrutinize details about presidential candadites? Got it. This was easy to disprove. Obama let it become an issue for no reason. Not sure why you seem so upset that I’m pointing that small bit out. If I was running for the highest office in the land and you wanted proof I wasn’t a sophisticated robot I would be happy to give you a blood test and my birth certificate. Hell I’d hand over all my financial and medical records too because that’s what should be expected of all presidential candadites. It’s too imporant a job to let someone by without insuring they are qualified. I really hope everyone scrutinizing every single word out of Trumps administation will be this diligent when his successor takes office.

Funny Trump won't release his tax returns or full finances and republicans have no problems with that but the when FEC says they are satisfied with Obama's paperwork that's not enough for republicans who have never before question if a candidate was born in America and demanded his birth certificate before....
 
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