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lol, if it’s actually that big of an issue, they can always tweak the software or replace batteries for $29. Gee, probably will do both.

Supporting their phones with older batteries is a good thing. Remember, these iPhone 6 are from 2014. My Android from 2014 is in the trash.

I don't think you understood what I said initially. $29 is only for 2018, from 2019 and on wards, it would revert back to $79 or even more. Extra income for Apple.

Regardless, slowing down doesn't need to happen. Only a health indicator is needed that people can use to gauge if their battery is in need of a repair or not. Not sure why Apple is forcing the issue down our throats.
 
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You used the word lying, I'm saying that there is discrepancy between the battery test and iOS , from what members have reported on this topic .

You really have not followed this have you? Just a quick summary, geekbench saw a sudden change in recorded scores , which corresponded to 10.2.1 , bit of analysis and we are here today, with apple admitting they added throttling. Apple have admitted it.....

Let me help you ..... a benchmarking tool can cause throttling, only if the device heats up, thermal throttling , that is not what is happening here, actually thermal throttling becomes a non issue, due to the CPU being throttled :)
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The 6S is second gen.

Yes and no, you would think the 6s would be the bug free release -- in some ways it is since they only added that force touch thing and Apple fixed the soldering issue that causes the iphone 6/6+ touch disease.
 
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For now I stand by my advice to just try to get your own battery replaced and see what happens. If they refuse, fine you only lost a little time.
I don't want to waste time and it's not necessarily a "little time" for some. It's a 30-minute drive one-way for me and add in the wait time (30 minutes or longer is probably typical) before they will even diagnose it, I've got 1-1/2 hours invested and they may tell me "no". The Apple store isn't in a location that I get to very often and sure, I could pass the time, but still end up wasting my time in going.

Do they offer an online diagnosis where they can query the relevant data ? If they do, and they confirm it's eligible for replacement, then I would just schedule an appointment, knowing it will get replaced.
 
In the UK, WhatsApp is so prevalent so i wont really be affected.

It is here too, but everyone i know uses iMessage and Facetime. Also, I dont want to use a Facebook run messaging application if I can avoid it...
 
I don't think you understood what I said initially. $29 is only for 2018, from 2019 and on wards, it would revert back to $79 or even more. Extra income for Apple.

Regardless, slowing down doesn't need to happen. Only a health indicator is needed that people can use to gauge if their battery is in need of a repair or not. Not sure why Apple is forcing the issue down our throats.
You don’t know what’s necessary. Everyone thinks their solution is great, but Apple has to think about a billion people.

A year of $29 battery replacements from Apple is more than fair in my estimation. If you’re still upset, switch to Android.
 
i suppose now, buying a used iphone will require a battery replacement for the buyer

Yeah, this is a creative way for Apple to make money from all older phones. Apple started slowing down iPhone 7, so, iPhone 6/6S/7 make up majority of the iPhone users and they all need a battery change. Lots of money for Apple.

You don’t know what’s necessary. Everyone thinks their solution is great, but Apple has to think about a billion people.

A year of $29 battery replacements from Apple is more than fair in my estimation. If you’re still upset, switch to Android.
I don't like Android. But if Microsoft came out with a complete phone(hardware and OS) of their own, I would buy it immediately.
 
You need to do a test unplugged and another when battery is let's say 30%-25% :D ... just to be sure

I'm similar on Geekbench on my same vintage 6S Plus at full charge. I also ran it at 37% charge and it showed throttling, no doubt in part to the tests themselves. Coconut shows 79.5% design capacity.

UPDATE: I ran Geekbench 4 with my battery at 50% and unplugged... and got 2552 single-core and 4454 multi-core.

It's almost exactly the same as it was at 100% while plugged in.

I will check again at 25% battery. :)
 
Yeah, this is a creative way for Apple to make money from all older phones. Apple started slowing down iPhone 7, so, iPhone 6/6S/7 make up majority of the iPhone users and they all need a battery change. Lots of money for Apple.


I don't like Android. But if Microsoft came out with a complete phone(hardware and OS) of their own, I would buy it immediately.
i imagine google/samsung/microsoft are brainstorming ways to leverage against this huge apple problem; i hope the more noise that's made here+now will ultimately force the creation of better, more consumer friendly phones in the long run. just a hope
 
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Here's the timeline of what happened:
  • They look at the peak voltage demands from the iPhone 6/s relative to the battery output curve.
  • They realize the fundamental design defect in the iPhone 6/s: the device's peak voltage demand was way, way too high relative to the battery's capabilities. This defect was not present in previous devices, and was fixed in the iPhone 7.

While I agree with your sentiment that Apple was covering up - I think its a little bit different:

- Batteries do get weaker. Consider other devices with replaceable batteries: Users would simply replace them when the charge didn't hold long enough.

- Lowering cpu clock speeds to reduce power consumption is pretty much a standard feature in modern cpus. This is particularly useful in laptops, for example when its not attached to a power supply and battery is running low (which the power profile settings can adjust).

- I don't think this would have affected their warrant costs very much (they could always make you pay saying its a normal wear of a consumable like they are even now). However, there will still be batteries that are duds though that likely would be covered.

What is horrible on Apple's part is that, rather than letting the phone show the issue, they decided to slow it down quietly. Even worse, a normal user doesn't have access to the diagnostics to see what happened.

That may have served Apple's purpose of making people upgrade phones when the new ones came out while also providing plausible deniability - we may never know.

By the way - the reason this issue came out now, is that someone ran benchmarks to prove that replacing the battery improved performance and Apple decided it had to respond. Its still great that they acknowledged they messed up and are offering to right this IMHO.
 
This is getting tiring...
Apple is guilt-tripping us to give up the outrage with these staggered 'gifts'.

Nothing has changed:
- the iPhones were under-designed at the battery, unable to power the CPU
- they are still expecting us to pay for their coverup and mass recall
- newer iPhones will still throttle after about a year
- iPhones with replaced battery will again throttle after a year
- iPhones with low battery charge (not health) will still throttle
- iPhones above 80% battery health will still throttle and we will be denied any service to the battery since it's above 80%
- the throttling will still be permanent regardles of moment-to-moment conditions
- absolutely no goodwill to those tricked into upgrading to a newer iPhone
- we will still not get an option in iOS for wether to throttle or not
- the scam and coverup is not acknowledged at all

I'll edit the post if more comes to mind.

I was also denied a refund on the replacement fee difference ($50), for an iphone 6, had mine replaced in June because it was shutting down unexpectedly daily
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My battery was recently tested by Apple and apparently is >90% health/capacity, and the phone is still being throttled based on Geekbench scores and CPU Dasher CPU speeds !! My guess is that they'll be using the same battery diagnostic to approve their new $29 battery replacements

People are shutting up just because the fix for Apple’s scam is coming at the user’s expense, now a few weeks earlier.

The design issues are burried under the rug and will be exactly the same with the next iPhones.
 
Apple wants money, after they get it, why do they care if customers are happy or not? So far, they knowingly slowed down people's phones without telling them what was going on. Why would a company who wants happy customers do that? Apple's actions did just prove it.

Maybe Steve Jobs wouldn't have done that, but now there is a different person running the company.
Steve Jobs started the whole "You are verb-ing it wrong" meme.

And a happy Apple customer stays an Apple customer. Apple has many ways of monetising their user base after the sale of the initial device, from getting them to purchase additional Apple products, to App Store sales, to iCloud subscriptions and Apple Music. Heck, Apple even gets a tiny cut of every Apple Pay transaction you make. They have every vested interest in bending over backwards to keep you as the consumer happy so you will continue to buy more Apple hardware, not throw you under the bus once the sale has been made.

Apple slowed down people's phones precisely because they care that their customers are happy. If you look at Android phone-related threads on Reddit, you see people complaining about how their LG phones bootloop, or how their Nexus 6Ps keep shutting down or restarting themselves, particularly when they are in the midst of an important task such as calling emergency services, and you know that they are never ever going to get a patch of any sort to remedy this. Apple made a judgement call, and decided that random shutdowns was wholly unacceptable, and that throttling your phones was the better solution out there. Not saying it's a good one, but the other solutions all have their limitations, and I can understand why Apple ultimately did what they did.

For starters, the iPhone was not designed with user-replaceable batteries in mind, and it likely never will be, so while a few posters here have taken it upon themselves to swap out the batteries inside, it's not something they expect their users should have to do.

Meanwhile, changing iPhone design to include larger batteries (iPhone Plus models don't appear to suffer as much from this throttling issue) is a longer-term design consideration. We will have to see if the stacked battery design of the iPhone X and rumoured X+ ameliorates this issue any. An improved power delivery system is also an additional longer-term consideration (earliest 2019 if the rumours are to be believed). I believe Apple is and will eventually work towards this; it just won't be available anytime soon.

Third, a pop-up of any nature is just going to result in unnecessary misinformation and panic amongst the majority of Apple users. People are just not going to have sufficient information anyways to make an informed decision on what they need to do. In addition, it is simply not acceptable to leave it up to the user to choose between experiencing slower performance because of throttling and just having the iPhone shut down.

Lastly, even this battery replacement programme is not going to be accessible to every user, especially those who live in countries with no Apple store. I suppose now that the news is out in the wild, they could have have the battery replaced themselves or at a 3rd party repair store, but then they take on the risk of accidentally damaging their phone every time they crack it open to service the internal battery, and Apple is not going to be there to bail them out if this happens.

This leaves throttling as a legitimate option with the best risk/reward in terms of the user experience. Every other option, including sending an iPhone away for a battery replacement, results in a major user experience tradeoff. And Apple is all about the user experience. Sometimes, you just can't win. You can only select the option which minimises the losses.

And for the record, I don't think this iPhone throttling issue will send people to Android either, though we will have to wait to see what the impact to Apple's reputation will be, if any.

In the near-term, I agree Apple should provide a clear and extensive explanation on what exactly is going on (what they have done is a start, but still not quite near enough). I believe this will go a long way towards stopping the bleeding as most people will eventually see that Apple is being rational and is genuinely looking out for the user. Apple can then assess where additional information about the battery and throttling can be included in iPhone settings (there is always that eternal dilemma between too much information and too little).

Just my 2 cents, for those who care enough to read.
 
UPDATE: I ran Geekbench 4 with my battery at 50% and unplugged... and got 2552 single-core and 4454 multi-core.

It's almost exactly the same as it was at 100% while plugged in.

I will check again at 25% battery. :)

Here is our iPhone 6 at 50% battery. As you can see from 'Current Frequency', we have been slowed down. :( The phone is three years old and it was purchased new.
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Replacing these batteries is a bitch -- $29 or $79 -- does not matter.
  1. removal of the display glued from the case
  2. unlocking multiple finicky connectors to touch id, display, digitizer, front camera, processor
  3. removal of demonic glue strips holding the battery to the case, and
  4. reversing successfully the deconstruction
Waterproofed at IP67? After the battery replacement? Good luck.
 
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I got my 6s battery replaced for free a year ago as it qualified under that small group bad batch recall. If yours qualifies, you should get for free without needing to pass a battery test. The $29 program is different and we don’t know for sure yet what is the criteria to qualify.
Edit: i would go back to Apple if I were you. if your battery does not qualify for the bad batch program from last year and yet is only lasting two hours and you were refused replacement, I would write an email to Tim Cook.
[doublepost=1514682693][/doublepost]Thanks a bunch for the advice . I’ll go try my luck at the Apple store again . We were both in a minor state of shock that the battery would not be replaced under the serial number replacement or even if we offered to pay .
 
So, if apple has agreed to replace batteries for $29 from iphone 6 and on, doesn't that imply that they've "discovered" battery loading problems on ALL new phones? They've opened a serious can of worms here
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Here is our iPhone 6 at 50% battery. As you can see from 'Current Frequency', we have been slowed down. :( The phone is three years old and it was purchased new.

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Man, that CPU Dasher developer must be killing it right now
 
Steve Jobs started the whole "You are verb-ing it wrong" meme.

And a happy Apple customer stays an Apple customer. Apple has many ways of monetising their user base after the sale of the initial device, from getting them to purchase additional Apple products, to App Store sales, to iCloud subscriptions and Apple Music. Heck, Apple even gets a tiny cut of every Apple Pay transaction you make. They have every vested interest in bending over backwards to keep you as the consumer happy so you will continue to buy more Apple hardware, not throw you under the bus once the sale has been made.

The sales of the iPhone account for the majority of their revenue.

You would have to subscribe to Apple Music for nearly three years for them to make the kind of money they make from the margin on one iPhone 8.
 
Before this fiasco began, Apple would NOT swap your iphone battery if it tested >80% capacity, even if the customer wanted to pay for it, and going third party voided the warranty -- WTH were people supposed to do then ?
 
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Yeah, this is a creative way for Apple to make money from all older phones. Apple started slowing down iPhone 7, so, iPhone 6/6S/7 make up majority of the iPhone users and they all need a battery change. Lots of money for Apple.


I don't like Android. But if Microsoft came out with a complete phone(hardware and OS) of their own, I would buy it immediately.
After they pay the labor, the $29 is going to be a drop in the bucket. You know how many $29 battery replacements they’ll need to make to mean *anything* to their bottom line? Even if 50M people take advantage of this, that’s about $1.5B top line. That’s about 1.5% of their projected sales for this QUARTER.

Apple is doing this because they believe it’s the right thing to do, not to make an extra buck.
 
Will Apple make us sign a waiver to disallow us from suing after getting the $29.99 battery replacement?
 
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Steve Jobs started the whole "You are verb-ing it wrong" meme.

And a happy Apple customer stays an Apple customer. Apple has many ways of monetising their user base after the sale of the initial device, from getting them to purchase additional Apple products, to App Store sales, to iCloud subscriptions and Apple Music. Heck, Apple even gets a tiny cut of every Apple Pay transaction you make. They have every vested interest in bending over backwards to keep you as the consumer happy so you will continue to buy more Apple hardware, not throw you under the bus once the sale has been made.

Apple slowed down people's phones precisely because they care that their customers are happy. If you look at Android phone-related threads on Reddit, you see people complaining about how their LG phones bootloop, or how their Nexus 6Ps keep shutting down or restarting themselves, particularly when they are in the midst of an important task such as calling emergency services, and you know that they are never ever going to get a patch of any sort to remedy this. Apple made a judgement call, and decided that random shutdowns was wholly unacceptable, and that throttling your phones was the better solution out there. Not saying it's a good one, but the other solutions all have their limitations, and I can understand why Apple ultimately did what they did.

For starters, the iPhone was not designed with user-replaceable batteries in mind, and it likely never will be, so while a few posters here have taken it upon themselves to swap out the batteries inside, it's not something they expect their users should have to do.

Meanwhile, changing iPhone design to include larger batteries (iPhone Plus models don't appear to suffer as much from this throttling issue) is a longer-term design consideration. We will have to see if the stacked battery design of the iPhone X and rumoured X+ ameliorates this issue any. An improved power delivery system is also an additional longer-term consideration (earliest 2019 if the rumours are to be believed). I believe Apple is and will eventually work towards this; it just won't be available anytime soon.

Third, a pop-up of any nature is just going to result in unnecessary misinformation and panic amongst the majority of Apple users. People are just not going to have sufficient information anyways to make an informed decision on what they need to do. In addition, it is simply not acceptable to leave it up to the user to choose between experiencing slower performance because of throttling and just having the iPhone shut down.

Lastly, even this battery replacement programme is not going to be accessible to every user, especially those who live in countries with no Apple store. I suppose now that the news is out in the wild, they could have have the battery replaced themselves or at a 3rd party repair store, but then they take on the risk of accidentally damaging their phone every time they crack it open to service the internal battery, and Apple is not going to be there to bail them out if this happens.

This leaves throttling as a legitimate option with the best risk/reward in terms of the user experience. Every other option, including sending an iPhone away for a battery replacement, results in a major user experience tradeoff. And Apple is all about the user experience. Sometimes, you just can't win. You can only select the option which minimises the losses.

And for the record, I don't think this iPhone throttling issue will send people to Android either, though we will have to wait to see what the impact to Apple's reputation will be, if any.

In the near-term, I agree Apple should provide a clear and extensive explanation on what exactly is going on (what they have done is a start, but still not quite near enough). I believe this will go a long way towards stopping the bleeding as most people will eventually see that Apple is being rational and is genuinely looking out for the user. Apple can then assess where additional information about the battery and throttling can be included in iPhone settings (there is always that eternal dilemma between too much information and too little).

Just my 2 cents, for those who care enough to read.
No one will read this because it’s more than 3 sentences, but you are absolutely correct.
 
I didn't read through all 300 replies, but what about those of us who got so fed up with poor battery performance and crappy phone performance that we upgraded devices? I would have kept my 6 if the battery would have lasted more than a couple of hours. I cold have saved myself $800 and not upgraded to the 8.
 
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