Reading comprehension grasshopper! "In your iPhone" means only you have access to your data. "On Google's servers mean they have access to your data." That was in your own article, LOL. In the very Macrumors article this forum is discussing they explain in great detail the lengths Apple goes to so that they never get your information about where you have driven, in the very article we are discussing, LOL.
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Apple Maps to Be Rebuilt 'From the Ground Up' With First-Party Data Over the Next Year
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Reading comprehension grasshopper! "In your iPhone" means only you have access to your data. "On Google's servers mean they have access to your data." That was in your own article, LOL. In the very Macrumors article this forum is discussing they explain in great detail the lengths Apple goes to so that they never get your information about where you have driven, in the very article we are discussing, LOL.
I would think people can submit this type of info to Waze, but LA is a true beast when it comes to these signs. I used to walk Google Street View to look at the signs to get a vague idea of the parking block zones around the Hollywood/Melrose area. It was painful, but I've found that the signs were blurry but you could make it out enough to get a rough idea.
My friends and I had briefly talked about a startup around this idea, but obviously this would have a very short runway.
It's the differences in data quality based on location that will cause that. For me on the east coast of Australia things have been really good for a long time. I have far more issues with Google Maps than I've ever had with Apple Maps.
For that reason I can't be too disappointed that Australia doesn't seem to be a priority for this rebuild rollout despite being a priority 1 country for iPhone rollouts.
Do you see how much easier it is to find where you need to go with Google Maps? This is typical at other zoom levels as well.
Really?
They track you to improve their software and offer up location based suggestions (not paid for by third party vendors/advertisers).
I’m okay tracking “me” if it tells me better traffic info, improves routing/corrects roads, adds or corrects POI’s.
Sincerely...an “Apple plant”....
Don't fall for this fake news. Apple doesn't track you. All of this is done on your phone, not by Apple and they never get your data. Please read the article.
A product that has been around for years longer has less issues? Shocking, right!
I use Apple Maps, Waze, and Google regularly (ill compare Waze scores with anyone who thinks they drive more than me!)... and anyone who thinks any one of those three is without issues is kidding themselves. And dont forget, everyone... that Google refused to put turn by turn in their app in iPhone.. until Apple released their Maps app. For that one reason alone even people who only use Google should be thankful that Apple upped the competition.
p.s... Waze rocks for avoiding speeding tickets (but sucks royally for knowing what side of the road your destination is on).
You are so misinformed about the extent of what is going on, but that's what Google is counting on. Google has assigned you via your ISP addresses, etc. a "universal identifier" in which all of your data is linked into a digital dossier, so it's not discrete pieces of data they have, they have every intimate detail of your life all linked together- every photo sent or received, the contents of your emails sent and received, your docs you upload, everywhere you drive, every web search, every web click, every web site, your contacts, etc. It's a frightening fact that Google is trying to build these dossiers on every citizen in the world. That data is available to hackers, intel agencies, governments, law enforcement, etc., and of course Google who reserves the right (read your TOS) to pass it to successor companies.
It is amazing the transformation that has taken place in society. In the past, freedom loving Americans fought to keep Big Brother at bay, and people were worried about the government building files on them, now many people just shrug at Google and Facebook having amassed nformation that the East German Stasi and Soviets would have dreamed of being able to access on their citizens.
It's not too late to turn back, and join the resistance. Google is evil as they are creating a huge threat to the privacy, and ultimately the freedom of people around the world.
Not sure what you mean. I much prefer using Waze on my iPhone compared to Apple Maps, its Waze better
I also prefer using a dedicated sat nav for a couple of reasons
- The iPhone screen has a poor screen ratio for landscape apps
- The iPhone shuts down when used as a satnav on a windscreen when its sunny - overheating message, you have to mount it on a vent mount to avoid this.
You may want to try the actual version of Apple Maps then, as it has evolved quite a bit since you last tried it, based on your questions:
Avoidance - yes
Lane guidance - yes
Speed limit display - yes (in the US)
Traffic - yes
Using in the sun without overheating the phone - no issues with iPhone SE or 7. It all depends on where you mount it, of course. Mine is on the dashboard, not the windshield.
Can it be used in landscape without banners top an bottom squeezing the visible map - yep, those banners shift to boxes tacked in a left upper/lower corners, respectively.
It should evolve further with iOS 12, according to this article, so perhaps give it another go then?
I'm happy with using waze/dedicated sat nav at the moment, the iPhone 6 screen is just a little too small for a satnav.
When I said speed, I meant current speed, not what the speed limit is, but that would be a handy feature too.
I live in Australia so the iPhone won't work when on a windscreen/dash mount. Its also not great putting it on a vent mount because then that stops the air getting to your face.
Perhaps I might try it out again to see if it has improved.
That’s what I mean, you need to try and use these products before commenting on them.
I did, I used Apple maps exclusively before deciding it was rubbish and switched to Waze which was much better.
One more note related to my earlier post in this thread. To me, a notable note. Elsewhere in these Forums I'd mentioned AM routing errors in a few regions, specifically related to roadways that had been closed - this post is related to a roadway section that had been demolished by the Corps of Engineers, a breach of a failed bridge that was not and has not been replaced (to the chagrin of local residents). I took a few screen shots but friends with a bottle of Scotch showed up...
My point in this post is that, at least in the geographic area in my earlier post in this thread, AM is using a different routing engine. Think of routing as a layer in an Illustrator file, with companies that do this sort of work providing data that resides on a dynamic layer in that AI file - TomTom's routing companies are IMHO some of the worst or laziest in the industry, at least here in NA. So, building on my earlier post and leaning on MR's Forums as a reference, AM's routing engine appears to me to have been changed in part of the PNW - not the route suppled to TomTom's routing company, rather, the routing "engine" and/or the company that supplies routing to Apple for AM.
Specifically, a section of a roadway was breached by the Corps around 3-4 years ago. If you wanted to drive/bike/walk from Skamokawa WA to a nearby location, AM/TomTom would route you via the roadway that had been closed due to the breach (a completely removed bridge with around a 1000-foot-long breach subject to 10-foot tidal swings in a 12-hour period, with signage but no roadway lighting to indicate the breach). If I - or a visitor to this area dialed in how to get from/to Skamokawa to a point on a nearby island, AM routed the navigator directly across the breach - which I've railed about here in these Forums - until today (yesterday, rather - the Scotch ran out, and so have my friends...). To wit, the following 3 screen shots from my iP6S+:
The three apps are, from left to right - MapQuest, Apple Maps, and Google Maps - taken within a couple of minutes of each other a few hours ago. Some 3-odd years ago I'd notified Apple and TomTom of the aforementioned roadway closure - and so did the County, WA State, and the Corps of Engineers - to no avail. That same day, I passed on the closure to Google - they noted the closure (in their routing "engine") within 48 hours. While killing time, relative to my earlier post, it led me to the above screen shots showing that Apple - FINALLY - is routing around the breached roadway section.
Above, MapQuest's "Route 1" leads directly across the roadway closure. Apple Maps reflected the same routing options until a week or so ago, the failed route is mentioned in earlier/older posts in these Forums, but now and within the past 48 hours is showing similar options as Google Maps - around the breach. I'm offering "similar" and not "same" solely due to the estimated time shown in the screen shots for the secondary route - 14 minutes in AM compared to 9 minutes in GM; the 14 minutes is more accurate for this very narrow and winding roadway I'd compare to what I've driven in Northern Ireland and backroads in eastern Germany near Marktredwitz and Sommerhau, while that 9 minutes shown in GM is a bit optimistic even with me driving my E63... My point in this is that, if AM were using the same routing engine as GM, the driving times would be very similar or identical. AM is finally reflecting the correct route options (after about 4 years) but not the same routing data as GM, while TomTom via MapQuest is still reflecting incorrect routing in its primary routing option - it's a nasty drop into the Columbia River onto riprap and pretty fast moving water...
More progress by Apple on this front, at least in this area and IMO, from a mapping geek. I'm heading to Skamokawa (in those screen shots) in about 6 hours for a project meeting. I know which road I'm not taking...
My point in this post is that, at least in the geographic area in my earlier post in this thread, AM is using a different routing engine. Think of routing as a layer in an Illustrator file, with companies that do this sort of work providing data that resides on a dynamic layer in that AI file - TomTom's routing companies are IMHO some of the worst or laziest in the industry, at least here in NA. So, building on my earlier post and leaning on MR's Forums as a reference, AM's routing engine appears to me to have been changed in part of the PNW - not the route suppled to TomTom's routing company, rather, the routing "engine" and/or the company that supplies routing to Apple for AM.
Specifically, a section of a roadway was breached by the Corps around 3-4 years ago. If you wanted to drive/bike/walk from Skamokawa WA to a nearby location, AM/TomTom would route you via the roadway that had been closed due to the breach (a completely removed bridge with around a 1000-foot-long breach subject to 10-foot tidal swings in a 12-hour period, with signage but no roadway lighting to indicate the breach). If I - or a visitor to this area dialed in how to get from/to Skamokawa to a point on a nearby island, AM routed the navigator directly across the breach - which I've railed about here in these Forums - until today (yesterday, rather - the Scotch ran out, and so have my friends...). To wit, the following 3 screen shots from my iP6S+:
The three apps are, from left to right - MapQuest, Apple Maps, and Google Maps - taken within a couple of minutes of each other a few hours ago. Some 3-odd years ago I'd notified Apple and TomTom of the aforementioned roadway closure - and so did the County, WA State, and the Corps of Engineers - to no avail. That same day, I passed on the closure to Google - they noted the closure (in their routing "engine") within 48 hours. While killing time, relative to my earlier post, it led me to the above screen shots showing that Apple - FINALLY - is routing around the breached roadway section.
Above, MapQuest's "Route 1" leads directly across the roadway closure. Apple Maps reflected the same routing options until a week or so ago, the failed route is mentioned in earlier/older posts in these Forums, but now and within the past 48 hours is showing similar options as Google Maps - around the breach. I'm offering "similar" and not "same" solely due to the estimated time shown in the screen shots for the secondary route - 14 minutes in AM compared to 9 minutes in GM; the 14 minutes is more accurate for this very narrow and winding roadway I'd compare to what I've driven in Northern Ireland and backroads in eastern Germany near Marktredwitz and Sommerhau, while that 9 minutes shown in GM is a bit optimistic even with me driving my E63... My point in this is that, if AM were using the same routing engine as GM, the driving times would be very similar or identical. AM is finally reflecting the correct route options (after about 4 years) but not the same routing data as GM, while TomTom via MapQuest is still reflecting incorrect routing in its primary routing option - it's a nasty drop into the Columbia River onto riprap and pretty fast moving water...
More progress by Apple on this front, at least in this area and IMO, from a mapping geek. I'm heading to Skamokawa (in those screen shots) in about 6 hours for a project meeting. I know which road I'm not taking...
Wow so quite a long time ago then! I suggest you try it again rather than trying to base your current thoughts on such an old experience.
LoL they ready give you free access to their excellent services. If you think your data is worth more than that you are free to not use their services.
I don't understand why you think random search data(which what Google collects the most) is so valuable.
I don’t use Google services precisely because they don’t pay me for the data they take from me. Their services aren’t worth that much and they get a lot more value out of me than I get out of them.
Companies seldom get chances to make a second impression.
Perhaps I might try it to see if it has improved any.
It doesn't, I was stating how the last time I used maps it didn't go well.
I also said that its not very good using Apple Maps in Australian heat, because it shuts the phone down with an overheating message. Has that improved any?