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Hopefully better than introduction of Apple Maps where it would attempt to drive me into the middle of the Hudson River to reach my destination. The accuracy of the maps is still sometimes off for me. At least we will get Waze and Google Maps with iOS 12 in Car Play.
 
It would be nice if Apple Maps would also accept user feedback on current driving conditions similar to Waze. With all the iPhone users out there, it would be great to be able to say something along the lines of, "Hey Siri, report an accident" to get better routes around traffic. Yes, that means fixing Siri too ;)

Waze isn’t the greatest at taking feedback and implementing it. For months I was trying to correct a road that had been shifted and speed limit changes for the area, even took pictures and geo tag information and Waze said they still wouldn’t change it. I finally gave up and deleted the app, hopefully they’re better once it becomes active for CarPlay.
 
Apple Maps has been great for me except two things - Street view is amazing and I miss that and sometimes it gives me insane recommendations when I search for things - and yes out of state or off the continent recommendations. But it is pretty solid and has been my main map software for the past 3 years and I have left waze and google (except for street view).

I also remain surprised there is not better open maps which allow identifying businesses and buildings at the very least. That seems easy enough but we still have buildings that are not identified which have been there for years and others could easily ID for free. Maps are the kind of thing where it seems distributed knowledge would be very effective.
 
There really isn't at this point. Apple Maps has been a disaster from day one and kinda shows how Apple is these days.

It takes them years to badly copy their competitors, they then force integrate their poor service / choices into your devices and limit your your choice. Especially as it is now on some cars by default.

To top it off, it takes them years to listen to customer feedback.

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The stupid routes it takes might save 10 seconds, but you have to change highways 3-4 times to do it. It also constantly falls behind in complex interchanges.

Surprisingly, Apple Maps works far better and seems to have smarter routes more consistentently, for me.
I drove across country once and Google had us get off the 75 mph freeway for an hour and go down country roads to eventually meet back up with the freeway. Maybe we saved 15 feet and 12 seconds but its not worth the hassle. That's one of the events that pushed me back to apple.
 
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There really isn't at this point. Apple Maps has been a disaster from day one and kinda shows how Apple is these days.

It takes them years to badly copy their competitors, they then force integrate their poor service / choices into your devices and limit your your choice. Especially as it is now on some cars by default.

To top it off, it takes them years to listen to customer feedback.

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Can people not choose to use Google Maps if they wish?
 
No.

Google Maps > Any other mapping service

That’s a very broad statement, they’re good for road mapping but fall short in the off-road category.
I’d rate Apple and Google about the same. Google is relying too much on their previous dominance in the industry and not really making improvements to their offering, while Apple struggled to launch a capable service but are at least making strides to right it.
 
That’s a very broad statement, they’re good for road mapping but fall short in the off-road category.
I’d rate Apple and Google about the same. Google is relying too much on their previous dominance in the industry and not really making improvements to their offering, while Apple struggled to launch a capable service but are at least making strides to right it.

Apple's UK data is crap. It's got better, but up until 18 months ago Apple Maps thought my address was about 300 miles away from where it actually is.
 
Apple maps is great in my part of the UK

Well...read his example. They actually FIXED his main issue 18 months ago.

So, yeah...that sucks and I would totally agree with someone saying it is crap assuming it can’t get a normal address correct (and I’m assuming it IS a normal address).

But how about since then??

Even I didn’t start using it regularly until this time last year during the major UI update with the iOS 11 beta...
 
That's nice. But I used to live near Luton which is a major town with a major international airport and Apple Maps used to only recognise Luton in Devon which is a small village 250 miles away.

Good news that it was fixed then. Continuous improvement is what I like to see.
 
Good news that it was fixed then. Continuous improvement is what I like to see.

Yes, it now knows the major town that 190,000 live in but the data is still crap though. POI, mapping data etc etc, all crap compared to Google Maps. Apple Maps is a barren wasteland compared to the data Google Maps gives.
 
Yes, it now knows the major town that 190,000 live in but the data is still crap though. POI, mapping data etc etc, all crap compared to Google Maps. Apple Maps is a barren wasteland compared to the data Google Maps gives.

I’m sure Apple will be looking to improve their Maps.

Check out Newcastle if you want to see a lot of POIs!
 
I think you could infer what I meant when I said when they track “you”....I realize it is anonymous and there is no way for them to know itt is “you”.

Poor word choice on my part based on the paranoid folks on here.

Apple DOES get “data” from “your” phone as the article states...and they always have if you let them.

I’m not sure of a better way to say that other than the example of traffic data that is always on as a default when you buy an iPhone.

Whether you use Maps or not, if this is left on, the get the data as to how fast your phone (and you) is moving and translate that into up to date traffic info.

I’m sure the same might be true for the probe data discussed in the article. Although, it does infer that you actually have to use Maps for that data to be utilized since the phone will only send data from the “middle” of a route.


Thanks for clarifying. It's not paranoia; it's about making sure people understand their is a clear difference, and a clear choice as the Google apologists, not you, try to convince people that there is no difference between Apple and Google in terms of privacy and security when there's all the difference.
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Well taking in consideration the popularity of of google services you are in a minority.
What other free services give you more value for your extremely important data?


No, you've got it quite the opposite. People can't afford to use a mapping app that is crap and they won't and don't have to. That's why few used Apple Maps when it first came out, because it was so poor, but since 2012 it has steadily improved to be a top notch choice to the point that, given a choice between all the free mapping services, all of which take less than a minute to download, on iOS, people overwhelming choose to use Apple Maps over Google maps. Apple Maps is now used many billions of times a week.
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Offline navigation plz!!!


It's coming. The reason you haven't seen it thus far is that Apple didn't own the base maps and under the licensing with TomTom, etc., it was only for streaming.
 
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I'd love to use Apple Maps, it links in automatically from my appointments for example. But there are two major road changes that have happened near me, BOTH of which are long-done and show up on satellite view, and NEITHER of which is acknowledged in the Maps portion of the app. Since it's not aware of either of these, many of the routes I drive it mis-routes me so I must use Google Maps.

I'm not sure it's even worth Apple bringing this in-house at this point. They're better off just shuttering it, and then maybe next year (or whenever it's truly "Ready") introduce "Apple Drive" or whatever. It'll take YEARS to overcome the negative image Maps has earned.
 
It's coming. The reason you haven't seen it thus far is that Apple didn't own the base maps and under the licensing with TomTom, etc., it was only for streaming.

You're reasoning makes perfect sense, but I'm still not sure that actually means it will be a feature with Apple Maps.

I hope so...utilized Google Maps on my many trips to Scandinavia the past couple of years to avoid increased data rates. It is a really nice feature when travelling out of your home data area.
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I'd love to use Apple Maps, it links in automatically from my appointments for example. But there are two major road changes that have happened near me, BOTH of which are long-done and show up on satellite view, and NEITHER of which is acknowledged in the Maps portion of the app. Since it's not aware of either of these, many of the routes I drive it mis-routes me so I must use Google Maps.

I'm not sure it's even worth Apple bringing this in-house at this point. They're better off just shuttering it, and then maybe next year (or whenever it's truly "Ready") introduce "Apple Drive" or whatever. It'll take YEARS to overcome the negative image Maps has earned.

They don't have to overcome as much as you think..."power users" like us may have had issues that made us go to other apps, but you have to remember, the majority of iPhone/iPad buyers stick with the stock app because they simply don't know any better....and probably because Apple Maps does work fine for the majority of users.

Satellite view is completely different than the routing view supplied by TomTom...and yeah, it's frustrating to see that correct and watch the route completely ignore the image. But, they are two completely different things. Owning their own data will fix that.
 
Just because Apple isn't using it to sell ads, doesn't make it not a privacy risk. Apple is still making money off of people's privacy.

I just do not want my data to be used to create an advertising profile in any way, shape or form.
 
I just do not want my data to be used to create an advertising profile in any way, shape or form.

Apple uses App Store and News data to sell ads. Nothing on the scale of Google, or course, but they’ve got a profile on you too. Are you going to stop using those Apple services?
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Apple doesn’t use that data to sell advertising space.

Not true.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/apple-data-collection/amp/

“That said, the company does use your data to sell targeted ads based on your activity in the News and App Store apps. You can actually see what information Apple is using here by going to Settings, Privacy, then Advertising. If you tap “View Ad Information,” you’ll see who’s targeting you.”
 
You are so misinformed about the extent of what is going on, but that's what Google is counting on. Google has assigned you via your ISP addresses, etc. a "universal identifier" in which all of your data is linked into a digital dossier, so it's not discrete pieces of data they have, they have every intimate detail of your life all linked together- every photo sent or received, the contents of your emails sent and received, your docs you upload, everywhere you drive, every web search, every web click, every web site, your contacts, etc. It's a frightening fact that Google is trying to build these dossiers on every citizen in the world. That data is available to hackers, intel agencies, governments, law enforcement, etc., and of course Google who reserves the right (read your TOS) to pass it to successor companies.

It is amazing the transformation that has taken place in society. In the past, freedom loving Americans fought to keep Big Brother at bay, and people were worried about the government building files on them, now many people just shrug at Google and Facebook having amassed nformation that the East German Stasi and Soviets would have dreamed of being able to access on their citizens.

It's not too late to turn back, and join the resistance. Google is evil as they are creating a huge threat to the privacy, and ultimately the freedom of people around the world.

I’m not misinformed about anything. Not only am I well aware of what Google does and how it does it, I’ve downloaded my data and seen what they have on me.

And I don’t care.

One thing that never ceases to amaze me, though, is the narcissism of the privacy obsessed.
 
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