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I guess I really need to use Maps more...

Picked Pittsburgh as I known the best way is toll roads...but only toll road options show up.

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Swipe up to see driving options (lower left)

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Indeed...toll options is shown...

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And then non toll routes show up...

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Thanks for the info...now I need to change it back..

On shorter routes you can keep the avoiding tolls option ON and Maps should still give you both paid and toll-free options without having to trigger it ON and OFF every time.
 
On shorter routes you can keep the avoiding tolls option ON and Maps should still give you both paid and toll-free options without having to trigger it ON and OFF every time.

I guess I would prefer it at least show the shortest non-toll option every time instead of only the toll options like in my example.

Without switching to avoid tolls that is...
 
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I highly doubt any brand phone that I could have navigating in my dash in the sun would not have a heat issue. Unless some other maker had found some secret method of heat dissipation noone else has.
And you missed my point about old computers and cars entirely. I was merely pointing out that most technology starts out with limitations and problems, and improve over time. To refuse to use that technology because of a negative first experience would mean you wouldn't be using a lot of important tech we use every day.
But hey... keep on fighting the good fight. Down with Apple.
My standalone nav and hands free devices both work flawlessly in the sun.
And you missed my point, Apple maps (predates) or around the same time as Waze yet waze was miles better, like day and night difference.

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Please...I could just as easily say that Apple design is perfect and you just need a better car...or better mount...or sorry, you’re SOL...

It’s a phone! It wasn’t designed to sit on your screaming hot dash in direct sunlight. It never will be.

Find an alternative GPS or block the vent. It’s not that complicated.
I did and I have more than one device that works in the sun.

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Sadly phones can/do overheat and have to shut down to protect the internal components. It’s the same way that your computer will turn off if the internal components get too hot.
Yet I have two devices that work flawlessly in the same location.
 
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My standalone nav and hands free devices both work flawlessly in the sun.
And you missed my point, Apple maps (predates) or around the same time as Waze yet waze was miles better, like day and night difference.


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I did and I have more than one device that works in the sun.


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Yet I have two devices that work flawlessly in the same location.

So...you have a couple of devices that were actually designed to sit on a hot dash that only do one thing...sounds like you’re set!
 
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It’s also worth pointing out that Apple Maps doesn’t need to match google maps feature for feature to be the better app.

It simply needs to be at least comparable in terms of what google needs it to do. And with Apple going into self-driving cars, it’s clear they cannot be caught dead relying on a third party for their mapping data (especially if that third party is google).

This is a move which will likely only pay off in the long run (living in Singapore, I doubt I will see any updates on my end before 2020, if at all), but I see why it has to be done.

If anything, we now know, clearer than ever, what Apple’s top priorities are. Transport, health, wearables and content distribution.

Fun times ahead.
 
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That's only the data that you have under your Google account. Ask them for everything linked to your universal identifier or ISP's and see what they say. For example, there are three trackers that I am blocking that Google is trying to install on my use of this site right now. If I wasn't blocking them, Google would use those trackers to document my use of Macrumors, what I clicked on, how long, and then track me across the rest of the web as well. That is then linked, or attempted to be linked, by Google to me via my ISP addresses. Another example is if I sent you an email, they would have that content and our addresses. Neither of these examples will show up if I ask Google about them, because I don't have a Google account. See how that works?

It is daunting, because Google's very existence is dependent on knowing those intimate details of people's lives. They are getting well over 90% of their revenue from selling access to that informations, so they are spending billions of dollars each year to figure out everything about you and they can't stop or their structure will collapse as it is all dependent on continuing to refresh and add to those dossiers. No one, knows all of the tricks Google is up to, but it's time for people to wake up. It's starting to happen in Europe more so than in US. if you want to read up on Google, here's two articles to get you going. The first is from a few years back when some people were just starting to wake up to what they were up to, and the second from just a few days ago, to show how sophisticated Google remains.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/google-data-merge-called-privacy-threat-1.1130198

https://threatpost.com/norwegian-agency-dings-facebook-google-for-unethical-privacy-tactics/133194/



As far as "narcissism," in this instance, your claim to be well aware of what Google does and how it does it, well...

Again, nothing here that I don’t already know. I could spend all of my time obsessing over blocking trackers because I’m sooooooooooo important and heaven forbid that Google know anything about important me, or I could just surf the web. That’s the narcissism I see.

Like it or not, there’s pretty much nothing I can do about any of this anyway. Short of comprehensive legislation, it will always be a cat and mouse game. I’m sure you’d agree, given what you wrote. So we’re left with two choices. Play along or give in.

I don’t care about constantly having to update ad blockers and manage conflicts with sites I visit, pour over lists of cookies and trackers and try to figure out how to block them all, etc.

And why? So Google can’t deliver a targeted ad? So Google knows stuff about me. I’m not hiding anything and I don’t harbor some delusion belief that my data is so valuable and important. Does it all creep me out a little? Sure. But I’ve seen no reason to be worried, just a lot of fear mongering and worst case scenarios. If you want to spend your time and energy figuring out how to block Google, good for you, but most of us simply don’t care.
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I don't use News and I'll have to investigate how best to stop using the App Store.

Good for you.

Are you now going to own up to being flat out wrong about Apple not building profiles and using that information to sell ads like the big bad scary Google does?
 
Are you now going to own up to being flat out wrong about Apple not building profiles and using that information to sell ads like the big bad scary Google does?

But doesn’t Apple do that in those two apps only to better tailor what it shows you so it is a better experience??

So you don’t have to wade through 1,000’s of apps that you wouldn’t want or 1,000’s of news stories that are of no interest to you??

I’m just guessing here..::and yeah, like you, I could care less about the tracking stuff as long as it gives me a better experience.
 
There isn't enough space on your phone for the entire US. One large city could take a GB by itself.

HERE Maps did this with Windows Phone. Their implementation let you download just what you needed. I downloaded Washington, Idaho, Oregon, as well as Alberta and British Columbia. I didn’t have to download the entire US.
 
Can’t wait to see this change. I’m already enjoying Apple Maps, let’s hope this redesign doesn’t end horribly.
 
So...you have a couple of devices that were actually designed to sit on a hot dash that only do one thing...sounds like you’re set!

Are you saying that the iPhone while having a satnav app isn’t designed to be used as that.

Well that’s good to know I guess.

Just a shame Apple designed a satnav that cant always be used as one unless you put it in front of an air vent.

Reminds me of the iPhone 4 antenna gate, you’re Holding it wrong.
 
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HERE Maps did this with Windows Phone. Their implementation let you download just what you needed. I downloaded Washington, Idaho, Oregon, as well as Alberta and British Columbia. I didn’t have to download the entire US.

But it was also full featured instead of being limited in function like Google. Your really were downloading that full map section. And would auto update as well...that would be a nice way to improve upon Google’s option.
 
Are you saying that the iPhone while having a satnav app isn’t designed to be used as that.

Well that’s good to know I guess.

Just a shame Apple designed a satnav that cant always be used as one unless you put it in front of an air vent.

Reminds me of the iPhone 4 antenna gate, you’re Holding it wrong.

Listen, I don’t care if you were talking about a BlackBerry...you have a VERY specific case where you refuse to position your phone out of the sun and then feel the company that makes it is somehow to blame that it can’t handle the heat you are subjecting it to.

Millions upon millions of people put iPhones on their dash without issue. Not a single person has come on here to say they are experiencing the same thing. Please show a link to a thread where this is being discussed as an issue! Maybe it is.

We are discussing Maps SOFTWARE...not your unwillingness to mount your phone out of the direct sunlight.
 
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The only road map to new road map is to get the Cue-placeholder removed somehow...
 
Listen, I don’t care if you were talking about a BlackBerry...you have a VERY specific case where you refuse to position your phone out of the sun and then feel the company that makes it is somehow to blame that it can’t handle the heat you are subjecting it to.

Millions upon millions of people put iPhones on their dash without issue. Not a single person has come on here to say they are experiencing the same thing. Please show a link to a thread where this is being discussed as an issue! Maybe it is.

We are discussing Maps SOFTWARE...not your unwillingness to mount your phone out of the direct sunlight.
I cannot mount my phone out of the sun apart from on the mount, its a dashboard with a windscreen.
When using phone as a satnav it has to be in sight, you cannot mount it down on the centre console.

I don't know where you get your stats from, but mounting your iphone on a dash in view as a satnav causes it to overheat, period.

We are discussing maps, ie navigation, ie dashboard mount.

Its not very nice when navigating along the road and your phone turns off.

I don't have any issues with my dedicated Sat Navs, they cope just fine.

As for overheating issue just google it - https://www.google.com.au/search?rl......0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.TMChtjjZwwI

And Apple knows about it - https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201678

Even happens in cooler climates in UK - https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/6089900/iphone-temperature-warning-screen-overheat/
 
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I think Apple should partner with Michelin (for non-urban) and Galileo (for urban) who together have this rich information.
 
I cannot mount my phone out of the sun apart from on the mount, its a dashboard with a windscreen.
When using phone as a satnav it has to be in sight, you cannot mount it down on the centre console.

I don't know where you get your stats from, but mounting your iphone on a dash in view as a satnav causes it to overheat, period.

We are discussing maps, ie navigation, ie dashboard mount.

Its not very nice when navigating along the road and your phone turns off.

I don't have any issues with my dedicated Sat Navs, they cope just fine.

As for overheating issue just google it - https://www.google.com.au/search?rl......0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.TMChtjjZwwI

And Apple knows about it - https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201678

Even happens in cooler climates in UK - https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/6089900/iphone-temperature-warning-screen-overheat/

Sigh...

a) First article - from 2012 (like the three or so posts on this site)...and the only reason those articles came up then is because that is when Apple first introduced the warning screen to prevent people from ruining their phones by leaving them in the sun or hot environments.

b) Apple knows about it- I HOPE they know about a warning that they installed themselves. Your link is not an admission that the phone overheats or that is any defect...it is simply a "help" article explaining the warning screen and what to do to avoid it or what to do if it comes up. They have one of these for every single warning that may come up on a device they sell.

c) Third article - Again, nothing more than an article explaining what to do if you leave your phone in a hot environment. Cooler climates? The article is specifically talking about a heat wave in the UK. It may not be the 38-degrees (100 degrees F) you guys see on a regular basis in your area, but those of us in "cooler climates" do hit those temperatures quite regularly in our Summer. And it certainly doesn't have to get that hot to reach extreme temperatures inside a car and in direct sunlight.

The scary thing is that you Googled it, searched Apple, etc. and that's all you came up with? I even searched this site and could only find two threads specifically related to overheating, and neither of those inferred that there is an issue with the phone.

You are correct about one thing in this case...YES...YOU ARE HOLDING IT WRONG! Even the articles you reference tell you not to leave it charging, using GPS in a hot car. It was NOT DESIGNED to be in that environment...ever. Not because there is a defect in the phone mind you, but because you are not supposed to do that without it overheating. I imagine you may have even caused your phone to be more susceptible to the issue because it has obviously happened multiple times to you.

Please start a new thread in the iPhone section of this site to state your issue...maybe there are thousands of other users who feel the same way you do. You seem to be all alone though in this thread. WE are here to talk about the new Maps update (which hopefully comes today with a new beta!)
 
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Sigh...

a) First article - from 2012 (like the three or so posts on this site)...and the only reason those articles came up then is because that is when Apple first introduced the warning screen to prevent people from ruining their phones by leaving them in the sun or hot environments.

b) Apple knows about it- I HOPE they know about a warning that they installed themselves. Your link is not an admission that the phone overheats or that is any defect...it is simply a "help" article explaining the warning screen and what to do to avoid it or what to do if it comes up. They have one of these for every single warning that may come up on a device they sell.

c) Third article - Again, nothing more than an article explaining what to do if you leave your phone in a hot environment. Cooler climates? The article is specifically talking about a heat wave in the UK. It may not be the 38-degrees (100 degrees F) you guys see on a regular basis in your area, but those of us in "cooler climates" do hit those temperatures quite regularly in our Summer. And it certainly doesn't have to get that hot to reach extreme temperatures inside a car and in direct sunlight.

The scary thing is that you Googled it, searched Apple, etc. and that's all you came up with? I even searched this site and could only find two threads specifically related to overheating, and neither of those inferred that there is an issue with the phone.

You are correct about one thing in this case...YES...YOU ARE HOLDING IT WRONG! Even the articles you reference tell you not to leave it charging, using GPS in a hot car. It was NOT DESIGNED to be in that environment...ever. Not because there is a defect in the phone mind you, but because you are not supposed to do that without it overheating. I imagine you may have even caused your phone to be more susceptible to the issue because it has obviously happened multiple times to you.

Please start a new thread in the iPhone section of this site to state your issue...maybe there are thousands of other users who feel the same way you do. You seem to be all alone though in this thread. WE are here to talk about the new Maps update (which hopefully comes today with a new beta!)

Try doing your own googling, I could find lots of articles on people asking about getting their phone overheating when used as a sat nav.

So the iPhone was not designed to be used as a sat nav on the dash of an air conditioned car? Nice to know that.
Pity that my dedicated sat nav can do this with ease. Can't innovate my ass.
 
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Again, nothing here that I don’t already know. I could spend all of my time obsessing over blocking trackers because I’m sooooooooooo important and heaven forbid that Google know anything about important me, or I could just surf the web. That’s the narcissism I see.

Like it or not, there’s pretty much nothing I can do about any of this anyway. Short of comprehensive legislation, it will always be a cat and mouse game. I’m sure you’d agree, given what you wrote. So we’re left with two choices. Play along or give in.

I don’t care about constantly having to update ad blockers and manage conflicts with sites I visit, pour over lists of cookies and trackers and try to figure out how to block them all, etc.

And why? So Google can’t deliver a targeted ad? So Google knows stuff about me. I’m not hiding anything and I don’t harbor some delusion belief that my data is so valuable and important. Does it all creep me out a little? Sure. But I’ve seen no reason to be worried, just a lot of fear mongering and worst case scenarios. If you want to spend your time and energy figuring out how to block Google, good for you, but most of us simply don’t care.



First, you are confused as to how this works. You don't "constantly have to update blockers, etc.," this is the digital age of great apps that do that for you, and as far as stopping Google, (and Facebook and others) on vacuuming up web searches use things like a combination of Ghostery and Adblock Plus and Duck Duck Go browser (uncheck acceptable ads) or any number of other good products and it's essentially a set and forget approach from the consumer end. A VPN is even cleaner.

Of course, that's just for web searches, you will want to take, again very easy, steps to not use Google products like gmail, maps, documents, Photos, etc. But, that doesn't take any energy either, just don't use them; there are great alternatives.

Most importantly, your post is cheered by Google and Facebook because you make the mistake of assuming valuing your privacy means you have something to hide. Or, that it's all about "serving you a targeted ad." Instead, as one leading intel official said, "If Google didn't exist, we'd have to build it." Remember, Google, and to a lesser extent others like Facebook, are assembling massive dossiers on you that include everywhere you have ever driven, everything you have ever said in front of their devices, every photo sent or received, every thing you have ever done on the web, ever email ever sent or received, every document you've ever uploaded, all your contacts, etc., and Google is spending billions on amassing even more, e.g., their entire autonomous driving program is designed to ensure everything you say, look at, stop at, who you are with, etc., is captured as you move about the world in their vehicles or Waymo designed system.

If you can't imagine how that massive dossier on you could be used by criminal hackers, intel agencies, governments, etc., you are Google's dream as they walk you into a dystopian future where you are tracked everywhere you go and every intimate detail of your life is collected and stored for use by others.
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You're a bit delusional here and maybe should not use the internet.

ISPs can still track your movement if they so desired to. The same with your mobile cell carrier. Your IP address (not ISP) can be tracked anywhere. Using this site as an example and if the admins wanted to, they can log into their servers and see what your "truthertech" login is accessing the site from. Who knows what other sites you have gone to that could have other "devious" attempts at mining your data.

This whole thing is blown out of proportion quite honestly. The internet is wide open, and if anyone really cared that much, they can figure out your habits. It's why even VPNing isn't a safe bet either. Until someone gets rid of ISPs and the idea of the internet (good luck to that), you're never going to be truly anonymous.


Your response is the typical response of people who are trying to reassure themselves about their choice to use Google and other services. There are three main responses: 1) "Who cares if Google knows everything about me, it just gets me more targeted ads." 2) "They can have it all. I have nothing to hide." 3) "There's nothing any of us can do anyway; they already have everything."

All three of those are wrong. Don't give up. Your post talks about about information that is exposed to your ISP. First, a VPN can essentially foreclose that route, but more importantly that's a silly point. Of course all of us expose information everyday. When I give out my email, telephone number, when I walk down the street and am captured on a hundred camera systems every day, when I do business under my name, when I get married, have a child, take out a mortgage, etc. That's not the point. Nor is it the point that I can take steps to restrict the leakag.

The point is that before Google (and others), there has never been a company whose very existence is dependent on, and every ounce of effort and dollar is devoted to amassing massive dossiers on every person on the planet they possibly can. No government, however despotic, has ever had the ability and reach that Google has and Google is dependent on people remaining ignorant of what they are up to.
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Yeah it's not like Apple Maps in iOS's default maps app which people can't change.
One of the most noticeable moments in Apple's most recent I/O wasn't when they announced Google Maps and Waze support for Carplay because Apple Maps is so great the people in the crowd didn't care at all and they didn't cheer.

A true testament to Apple Maps's actual quality would be for Apple to make the app available for Android users.
By comparison Google Maps gets a lot of positive feedback even from absolute Apple biased sites like this one, it would be interesting to see how would Apple Maps do in a similar situation given the fact that it currently gets a lot of criticism even for iOS users.


You're making my point. Google maps is a very good mapping app and Google maps and all the other mapping apps are free and take less than a minute to download. No one would use Apple maps or any mapping app if it didn't meet their needs. That's why when Apple Maps came out and was the default it wasn't used. Google Maps was. Over time, as it improved, more and more iOS users started replacing Google Maps as their mapping app on iOS to where it is today.

Given excellent alternatives, free and easy to use, the many billions of times that iOS users choose to use Apple Maps every week is the truest testament to Apple Maps also being a very good mapping app.

 
Your response is the typical response of people who are trying to reassure themselves about their choice to use Google and other services. There are three main responses: 1) "Who cares if Google knows everything about me, it just gets me more targeted ads." 2) "They can have it all. I have nothing to hide." 3) "There's nothing any of us can do anyway; they already have everything."

No, my response is realistic of the matter at hand. If you are using a service that is not your own, it can be logged.

Obviously people should exercise due diligence in what information they are willing to give up. Read the fine print and modify your settings if you want to use those respective services. Google surprisingly has less data on me than Apple based on the data dump.

First, a VPN can essentially foreclose that route, but more importantly that's a silly point.

This is a misconception that people have. A VPN is not a 100% prevention mechanism. You are basically allowing your traffic to route to another 3rd party service which makes your traffic calls on their behalf. The VPN servers can still keep logs on you -- just like your IT dept at work. It's why feds always hassle VPNs for server logs, and why it's a big deal for VPNs to publicly assure their customers that they don't keep logs. Who knows what they could do behind the curtains.
 
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You're making my point. Google maps is a very good mapping app and Google maps and all the other mapping apps are free and take less than a minute to download. No one would use Apple maps or any mapping app if it didn't meet their needs. That's why when Apple Maps came out and was the default it wasn't used. Google Maps was. Over time, as it improved, more and more iOS users started replacing Google Maps as their mapping app on iOS to where it is today.

Given excellent alternatives, free and easy to use, the many billions of times that iOS users choose to use Apple Maps every week is the truest testament to Apple Maps also being a very good mapping app.

LoL a mountain of assumptions to counter the simple facts I've stated.
 
Try doing your own googling, I could find lots of articles on people asking about getting their phone overheating when used as a sat nav.

So the iPhone was not designed to be used as a sat nav on the dash of an air conditioned car? Nice to know that.
Pity that my dedicated sat nav can do this with ease. Can't innovate my ass.

They made a smartphone, not a Sat Nav.
 
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