Apple May Launch 5.8-Inch OLED iPhone With Curved Glass Casing and Screen in 2017

[jmgregory1]

WTF would we want a curved glass phone for?

Apple should just race to its fatal conclusion: Make the iPhone a crystal globe that doesn't do anything.

I think you're reading this incorrectly. The curved glass part he is referring to is the back / case - in the same way that the current 6 form factor has a curved edges. That makes complete sense, replacing the aluminum with glass or some glass / ceramic composite. It would be totally transparent to radio waves, which could improve signal and data transfer.

 

[Gudi]

Something I have noticed very recently, and I mean over the last couple of months is the evermore negative feeling people on forums, not just this one seem to be getting toward Apple and Apple products. I think it’s justified and it’s because Apple now seem to be milking their loyal customers. The software and products seem to be less reliable and their actions, (plists that purposely exclude older devices, features purposely held back for no reason - Nightshift anybody??, and rip off prices for storage - 16GB iPhone when the price to Apple of going to 32 or 64GB is probably £0.50 but we are charged £80!!), smack of profiteering. A lot of the loyal users are feeling this. Loyal ones. There will always be the trolls who just come to wind people up and the fanboys that hated AMOLED before but suddenly find it interesting, but this trend I think is growing among the loyalists.

Your personal feeling of loyalness means nothing in the great scheme of things. Remember when the A7 came out and people argued whether 64-bit was any useful in a computer with less than 4GB RAM. Guess what, the naysayers were wrong! It was inevitable that some future iOS software feature was going to be 64-bit only and wouldn't run on the new iPhone 5c no matter how quick it feels. September 2013 was the time to sell your old 32-bit hardware if you wanted to stay uptodate two years later. You purposefully decided against upgrading, so live with your decisions.

 

[smacrumon]

I agree but didn't have much time. I gave it another try and updated my post. Still, I'm no 3D designer and have to deal with raw 3D renders from illustrator and images I found on Google.

Good effort still, gives us an idea!
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This is just an urban legend... My iPhone 5 was substantially different from my iPhone 5S that was substantially different from my iPhone 6 that was substantially different from my iPhone 6S.
I could bet iPhone 7 will be substantially different too.
I didn't regret any iPhone I bought. I did regret every other manufacturers smartphone I had to use in the meanwhile.
I'm not going to switch any soon.
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He was referring to Samsung...

I regret it was necessary to add so much ewaste to the planet year on year. Are upgrades really that necessary.

 

[TommyA6]

Definitely we won't speak about Samsung because, unlike you, we actually don't care about what Samsung does. We don't feel the need to go to an android forum to worship Apple or insult Samsung...

Just let your S7 run for 20 minutes and it will throttle like hell...
And even an hardcore android centric website like XDA pointed out the sputtering and lagging:

most interesting, yet not shocking, is that we still managed to find lag across the user interface, including random stutters and framedrops. Indeed, our go-to GPU profiling test showed many skipped frames when scrolling through the Play Store, significantly more than our 810 devices running stock or close-to-stock software (Nexus 6P, OnePlus 2)

There is some stutter and lag on iPhone 6s plus as well, so...

 

[iThingsGurl]

Well, you could still get a iPhone 7, then upgrade next year to the 8/ME/X. That would work for Apple.

That's their plan I'm sure

 

[FFR]

Actually...it seems it's you that doesn't really know much about NAND flash storage technology.

The only difference is that iPhones use multiple NAND arrays in parallel for faster read & write speeds. SD cards and such use the same exact NAND, they just use a single controller over a slower SPI bus.

But the actual NAND flash silicon itself...? It's the same in cheap flash drives and iPhones. There is nothing special about the NAND in iPhones. The only difference is the flash controllers and communication interfaces.

The NAND flash used in a cheap Samsung Evo+ 16GB/32GB MicroSD card is far, far more advanced than the NAND found in iPhones. Samsung pioneered 3D vertical NAND fabs. Meanwhile Apple seems stuck in 2011. It's sad and it's pathetic and no amount of koolaid can change that fact.

Your actually factually incorrect.

No need to be so upset. You buy what you can afford and clearly the 64gb is out of your price range. Apple doesn't need to cater to you.

16 gb serves its purpose to the people that want it.

 

[jujufreeze]

Where do you get that the "basic every day needs of consumers" is larger apps, offline music playlists, and 4k video? Both my parents have 16GB iPhones with 50% free space most of the time. Neither of them take any video, don't download any app over 200MB, nor listen to offline music. Most of colleagues have similar usage. The ones with kids or the media junkies all had the forethought to buy the 64GB or the 128GB model.

I think "basic every day needs of consumers" is a lot less than you imagine. If Apple wants to offer a 32Gb model at the same price, great. But I think more likely it would be like the iPad Pro, where the 32Gb low-end model becomes more expensive, and that is bad.

I agree with your assessment that 16 GB is enough for the average user- 3 years ago. In 2012 the average app size was 23MB. Since then Apps are higher resolution, more complex, do more and provide richer experiences. In 2015 Apple increased the largest app size to 4GB. Not every app is massive. Facebook weighs in at close to 100mb, Twitter 70MB, Snapchat 55MB, but that's the size of an unopened installed app, as soon as it starts doing something, such as caching images and data it needs to operate the app size ballons. The Twitter app alone for instance can easily get over 240MB for the average user.

Also, the iphone 5s had an 8 MP camera that took pics just over 3MB a piece in size, around 200 photos or so would be 600 megabytes. With a current 12 MP camera on the 6s, you have larger photos that take up more storage, Apple's Live photos take up even more space with added video/audio. Why even offer 4K video on a 16GB phone? it consumes 300 megabytes per minute and isn't practical with so little storage.

What about music? Average consumers aren't from the stone-age, they like their phone to have music. So 12 tracks stored from iTunes or Apple Music takes 90 megabytes. A 200-track plalist takes around 1.5 gigabytes or 12% of a 16GB iphone.

What about games? Most iphone users like to play games now and then. Increasingly graphic rich games such as Real Racing 3 takes 855MG of storage, the popular Hearthstone takes 868 megabytes, updating it with the latest content takes up 1.3GB.

The average user had 27 apps on their iphone at the end of 2013 according to data from Nielsen, which means with apps growing in size and photos, music and videos becoming more compelling that 12GB of space seemed small last year, let alone today.

Running out of storage makes the smartphone behave poorly and provides a very subpar user experience.

Furthermore, your claim that Apple would HAVE to jack the price way up for a 32GB phone is rubbish.


Analyst firm IHS estimated that storage cost Apple $0.42 per gigabytes of storage. Adding an extra 16GB of storage to bring it to 32GB would have cost Apple just $6.72 extra per smartphone.

"The iPhone 6S and 6S Plus are premium smartphones, which Apple claims are the “most advanced smartphones in the world”. Yet the rest of the industry, including Samsung, has woken up to the fact that 16GB is not enough storage these days and either allows users to add their own storage to top-end smartphones or provides at least 32GB of rated space for their base models." -Credit to the Guardian for providing this information

 

[IshmaelR]

Not sure besides geek factor what this will do to improve the actually communication capability of the device, but one thing is for sure it's the end of the protective case industry as we know it.

 

[FFR]

No. 16gb is a big kick in the guts from Apple to customers. It's a sick marketing trick. Apple hopes customers will spend $100 extra for storage they should have got to begin with.

You do realize that the majority of Apple customers don't mind paying for it, as evident in apples sales numbers.

Why do you feel Apple owes you an extra 16 gb?

 

[rp2011]

Well it would be a nice moment for Apple to deliver a complete new design for the 10th anniversary inside their new spaceship. I hope they didn't plan it that way because that's not good business to be about pomp and ceremony and history. But if it all worked out that way very cool.

With Apple design it has felt rushed and has lacked attention to detail. Look at how amazingly amateurish ios7 looked. Like kids threw it together and out it went. Change for changes sake is worse than ***** with it. (Yes the design has been refined since then).
Then the 6 series. It looked so old-fashioned and lacking from the moment it was released. And again lacking the attention to detail Apple has been known and praised for.
For them taking longer is maybe a good thing. It's a business and there are deadlines and things have to ship, but you also have to be able to say NO, it's not ready.

 

[smacrumon]

GET RID OF THE HOME BUTTON AND 3D TOUCH TO GET ME HOME PLEASE. I can't see any other way around the home button. Although how do you incorporate a design that is instantly intuitive for individuals with impaired vision not having a stable home button area?

 

[FFR]

I agree with your assessment that 16 GB is enough for the average user- 3 years ago. In 2012 the average app size was 23MB. Since then Apps are higher resolution, more complex, do more and provide richer experiences. In 2015 Apple increased the largest app size to 4GB. Not every app is massive. Facebook weighs in at close to 100mb, Twitter 70MB, Snapchat 55MB, but that's the size of an unopened installed app, as soon as it starts doing something, such as caching images and data it needs to operate the app size ballons. The Twitter app alone for instance can easily get over 240MB for the average user.

Also, the iphone 5s had an 8 MP camera that took pics just over 3MB a piece in size, around 200 photos or so would be 600 megabytes. With a current 12 MP camera on the 6s, you have larger photos that take up more storage, Apple's Live photos take up even more space with added video/audio. Why even offer 4K video on a 16GB phone? it consumes 300 megabytes per minute and isn't practical with so little storage.

What about music? Average consumers aren't from the stone-age, they like their phone to have music. So 12 tracks stored from iTunes or Apple Music takes 90 megabytes. A 200-track plalist takes around 1.5 gigabytes or 12% of a 16GB iphone.

What about games? Most iphone users like to play games now and then. Increasingly graphic rich games such as Real Racing 3 takes 855MG of storage, the popular Hearthstone takes 868 megabytes, updating it with the latest content takes up 1.3GB.

The average user had 27 apps on their iphone at the end of 2013 according to data from Nielsen, which means with apps growing in size and photos, music and videos becoming more compelling that 12GB of space seemed small last year, let alone today.

Running out of storage makes the smartphone behave poorly and provides a very subpar user experience.

Furthermore, your claim that Apple would HAVE to jack the price way up for a 32GB phone is rubbish.


Analyst firm IHS estimated that storage cost Apple $0.42 per gigabytes of storage. Adding an extra 16GB of storage to bring it to 32GB would have cost Apple just $6.72 extra per smartphone.

"The iPhone 6S and 6S Plus are premium smartphones, which Apple claims are the “most advanced smartphones in the world”. Yet the rest of the industry, including Samsung, has woken up to the fact that 16GB is not enough storage these days and either allows users to add their own storage to top-end smartphones or provides at least 32GB of rated space for their base models." -Credit to the Guardian for providing this information

I don't understand where your coming from?

Apple offers 64 gb and 128 gb variants for the average consumer that wants more. And the 16gb for people that don't care about everything you listed or just want a cheap iPhone.

Some people here are taking this way to personally, especially since we are talking about a phone that will come out in a year and a half, at least.

But at that point you might still find the the same posters feeling that Apple should offer them the 128 gb as a base model.

 

[jujufreeze]

You do realize that the majority of Apple customers don't mind paying for it, as evident in apples sales numbers.

Why do you feel Apple owes you an extra 16 gb?

16 gigabytes is not enough storage for the average consumer in the year 2016. Running out of storage leads to subpar and sluggish performance. It is Apple's obligation to make sure every Apple customer is not, BY DEFAULT having a subpar, inferior experience. According analyst firm IHS it costs Apple 42 cents per gigabyte, costing them $6.72 per phone to increase the default storage to 32 gigabytes. Offering a 16GB phone in 2016 and beyond is unacceptable.

 

[FFR]

16 gigabytes is not enough storage for the average consumer in the year 2016. Running out of storage leads to subpar and sluggish performance. It is Apple's obligation to make sure every Apple user is not, by default experiencing an inferior product to its competitors. According analyst firm IHS it costs Apple 42 cents per gigabyte, costing them $6.72 per phone to increase the default storage to 32 gigabytes. 16 is unacceptable.

If what you said had any truth to it no one would buy the 16 gb iPhone. That is obviously not the case. Some people just want a cheap iPhone. Why rain on their parade?


Apples obligation? They offer three variant sizes.
Take your pick. Again they are offering the iPhone in three sizes.

 

[jujufreeze]

If what you said had any truth to it no one would buy the 16 gb iPhone. That is obviously not the case. Some people just want a cheap iPhone. Why rain on their parade?


Apples obligation? They offer three variant sizes.
Take your pick. Again they are offering the iPhone in three sizes.

People buy the 16GB option because they don't know any better and 16 is the cheapest option. Memory is cheap and it would cost Apple less than $10 to increase the default option to 32GB, offering 64 and 128GB upgrade options. Again, do you dispute any of the points I made earlier? 16 (which, in actuality is 12) gigabytes is not enough storage in the year 2016.

 

[Sandstorm]

I'm 90% sure I'm soon jumping ship. Fully. Switch back to a PC (like the amazing Surface Pro 4) and get some awesome innovative Android phone (like the S7 edge, just hope Samsung allows Andorid adoptable storage). At this point I see Apple as greedy, slow and pathetic (especially, because it's also extremely rich) company that has exchanged innovation for milking its customers to the max. Macs are hopelessly neglected and overpriced, phones are lagging behind with stale designs and specs. iOS has excellent 3rd party app ecosystem, but is too restrictive and also feels stale. WWDC will probably be the decision point for me. If the next iOS and Mac OS are not radically exciting again, and the new Macs will still feel like intentionally underpowered (removed ports, 5400rpm drives, small memory etc) overpriced fashion accessories, I'm done. I know I'm not the only one who feels this lately.

PS - I'm sure there are downsides on competing products/services, but at least there is vibrant choice, far better prices and constant innovation going on... I want to be excited about tech again (sorry if this sounded like Drumpf slogan, no relation).

 

[zombierunner]

Well at this point I'm hardcore into Apple. So I will be replacing my iPhone every year regardless of what they put out. Why not? What are savings for eh?

 

[smacrumon]

You do realize that the majority of Apple customers don't mind paying for it, as evident in apples sales numbers.

Why do you feel Apple owes you an extra 16 gb?

Because it's deceptive and dishonest, even more so considering the insignificant difference in price to produce the 16gb and 64gb. Apple touts a great user experience, but how can users have a great experience when they are constantly managing the file system deleting apps, music, video and photos because the device was crippled at the get go. Customers should not need to think about storage size issues, Apple, as designers, are paid to resolve these issues. It's a stupid little marketing trick Apple plays on its new and loyal customers every year. All devices should start at 64gb, not 16 or 32. That's why Apple owes customers.

 

[oneMadRssn]

I agree with your assessment that 16 GB is enough for the average user- 3 years ago. In 2012 the average app size was 23MB. Since then Apps are higher resolution, more complex, do more and provide richer experiences. In 2015 Apple increased the largest app size to 4GB. Not every app is massive. Facebook weighs in at close to 100mb, Twitter 70MB, Snapchat 55MB, but that's the size of an unopened installed app, as soon as it starts doing something, such as caching images and data it needs to operate the app size ballons. The Twitter app alone for instance can easily get over 240MB for the average user.

Also, the iphone 5s had an 8 MP camera that took pics just over 3MB a piece in size, around 200 photos or so would be 600 megabytes. With a current 12 MP camera on the 6s, you have larger photos that take up more storage, Apple's Live photos take up even more space with added video/audio. Why even offer 4K video on a 16GB phone? it consumes 300 megabytes per minute and isn't practical with so little storage.

What about music? Average consumers aren't from the stone-age, they like their phone to have music. So 12 tracks stored from iTunes or Apple Music takes 90 megabytes. A 200-track plalist takes around 1.5 gigabytes or 12% of a 16GB iphone.

What about games? Most iphone users like to play games now and then. Increasingly graphic rich games such as Real Racing 3 takes 855MG of storage, the popular Hearthstone takes 868 megabytes, updating it with the latest content takes up 1.3GB.

The average user had 27 apps on their iphone at the end of 2013 according to data from Nielsen, which means with apps growing in size and photos, music and videos becoming more compelling that 12GB of space seemed small last year, let alone today.

Running out of storage makes the smartphone behave poorly and provides a very subpar user experience.

Furthermore, your claim that Apple would HAVE to jack the price way up for a 32GB phone is rubbish.


Analyst firm IHS estimated that storage cost Apple $0.42 per gigabytes of storage. Adding an extra 16GB of storage to bring it to 32GB would have cost Apple just $6.72 extra per smartphone.

"The iPhone 6S and 6S Plus are premium smartphones, which Apple claims are the “most advanced smartphones in the world”. Yet the rest of the industry, including Samsung, has woken up to the fact that 16GB is not enough storage these days and either allows users to add their own storage to top-end smartphones or provides at least 32GB of rated space for their base models." -Credit to the Guardian for providing this information

This is a great analysis. I agree with 90% of the opinions above. I dispute though that an average consumer uses all of those features.

I don't say that Apple has to raise the price to get it to 32GB base model, I'm saying historically speaking it's the likely course.

I would ask you this - would you have the same complaint if the iPhone lineup was priced as follows, essentially $100 less for each SKU but the $650 price-point would have more storage as compared to today, but still the base model is 16GB?
16GB - $550
64GB - $650
128GB - $750

 

[FFR]

People buy the 16GB option because they don't know any better and they are the cheapest option.

That's what you say. But again this does not match current market realities. Customers are buying the 16 go iPhone, you even agree that people do It because it cheap and they just want the cheapest iPhone, sounds to me they do know better.

Memory is cheap and it would cost Apple less than $10 to increase the default option to 32GB, offering 64 and 128GB increaes.

So what?

Again, do you dispute any of the points I made earlier?

Your numbers are completely fabricated, again your argument has no basis in reality or logic.
You even admit there is a market for 16 gb iPhone, your made up reasons behind it are irrelevant.

16 gigabytes is not enough storage in the year 2016.

Ok then buy the 64gb iPhone, or the 128 gb.
Who is stopping you?

 

[jujufreeze]

Your numbers are completely fabricated, again your argument has no basis in reality or logic.

Please explain to me which numbers are fabricated, this information is from a Guardian analysis.

" In 2012 the average app size was 23MB. Since then Apps are higher resolution, more complex, do more and provide richer experiences. In 2015 Apple increased the largest app size to 4GB. Not every app is massive. Facebook weighs in at close to 100mb, Twitter 70MB, Snapchat 55MB, but that's the size of an unopened installed app, as soon as it starts doing something, such as caching images and data it needs to operate the app size ballons. The Twitter app alone for instance can easily get over 240MB for the average user.

Also, the iphone 5s had an 8 MP camera that took pics just over 3MB a piece in size, around 200 photos or so would be 600 megabytes. With a current 12 MP camera on the 6s, you have larger photos that take up more storage, Apple's Live photos take up even more space with added video/audio. Why even offer 4K video on a 16GB phone? it consumes 300 megabytes per minute and isn't practical with so little storage.

What about music? Average consumers aren't from the stone-age, they like their phone to have music. So 12 tracks stored from iTunes or Apple Music takes 90 megabytes. A 200-track plalist takes around 1.5 gigabytes or 12% of a 16GB iphone.

What about games? Most iphone users like to play games now and then. Increasingly graphic rich games such as Real Racing 3 takes 855MG of storage, the popular Hearthstone takes 868 megabytes, updating it with the latest content takes up 1.3GB.

The average user had 27 apps on their iphone at the end of 2013 according to data from Nielsen, which means with apps growing in size and photos, music and videos becoming more compelling that 12GB of space seemed small last year, let alone today.

Running out of storage makes the smartphone behave poorly and provides a very subpar user experience.

Furthermore, your claim that Apple would HAVE to jack the price way up for a 32GB phone is rubbish.


Analyst firm IHS estimated that storage cost Apple $0.42 per gigabytes of storage. Adding an extra 16GB of storage to bring it to 32GB would have cost Apple just $6.72 extra per smartphone.

"The iPhone 6S and 6S Plus are premium smartphones, which Apple claims are the “most advanced smartphones in the world”. Yet the rest of the industry, including Samsung, has woken up to the fact that 16GB is not enough storage these days and either allows users to add their own storage to top-end smartphones or provides at least 32GB of rated space for their base models." -Credit to the Guardian for providing this information""

 

[Gudi]

LOL, from the original article, “…with a curved 5.8-inch AMOLED display”. Oh, and, “…with Apple rumored to be working with several different OLED display manufacturers”. Last time I looked, Samsung made OLED displays. If BMW was rumoured to release a rotary engined M5 would you not expect someone to mention Mazda? Apple fans are so unnecessarily defensive. Myopia at its best!

Since Felix Wankel was a German engineer, I have absolutely no idea why on earth someone would want to mention Jujiro Matsuda and his mediocre cars in the context of an upcoming BMW with rotary engine? But than again I never understood how people came to associate Samsung with smartphone innovation either. Fandroids are so unnecessarily craving for recognition when everybody knows they are just lazy copycats. Myopia at its best!

 

[KanosWRX]

Please NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Stop with the damn curved screen's they are the worst thing ever to happen to cell phones. Don't pull a Samsung and do things just because you can. It makes reading websites and watching movies horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[smacrumon]

Well at this point I'm hardcore into Apple. So I will be replacing my iPhone every year regardless of what they put out. Why not? What are savings for eh?

You could try saving waste to landfill by not buying every year. Try holding off to 24 months. Even better I encourage you to wait until 36 months.

 

[FFR]

Because it's deceptive and dishonest,

Do you know the definitions for deceptive and dishonest?
If you honestly feel that way I don't know why you still elect to purchase thier products. I wouldn't.

Apple touts a great user experience, but how can users have a great experience when they are constantly managing the file system deleting apps, music, video and photos because the device was crippled at the get go. Customers should not need to think about storage size issues,

Those customers don't. But they buy a 128gb iPhone and their happy. If you need more storage why don't you buy a larger variant?

It's a stupid little marketing trick Apple plays on its new and loyal customers every year. All devices should start at 64gb, not 16 or 32. That's why Apple owes customers.

They offer three sizes. Seriously How is it a marketing trick?

All devices should start at 64gb, not 16 or 32. That's why Apple owes customers.

Ofcourse. Why not make it 128gb or better yet a free Ferrari from Apple with every iPhone purchase. Because you know how they owe you for buying their stuff.