Apple May Launch 5.8-Inch OLED iPhone With Curved Glass Casing and Screen in 2017

[Qbnkelt]

Right.
I'm being labeled as a fanboy, and I have a Lumia 1520, a Galaxy S5 and a Galaxy S6 in my home
I'm an happy Apple customer, for sure.

That's what I find hilarious.

Look, I've got all those devices to choose from. However, I find that the one that works best for me is the iPhone 6s Plus.
So....to satisfy a Samsung mob I'm supposed to fawn over Samsung??? Nope....I have had too much history with them.

What works for me is in fact the iPhone. I can't wait to get my SE. Then my SIM will go from the Plus into the SE. I'd love to use iPhones in two lines but then that would mean iMessage on the second line and I dont' want to do that.

 

[lazard]

iPhone SE preorders top 3.4M in China, gold & rose gold most popular

crazyyyy

Not surprising considering owing an iphone (or any apple product) is a status symbol in China.

 

[952863]

Not surprising considering owing an iphone (or any apple product) is a status symbol in China.

Must be all those billionaires.

 

[JGRE]

A totaly black iPhone with a seamless OLED screen? Please, take my money! Cant wait to see a moving wallpaper on a device like that!

Edit:
I couldn't resist to make a quick mock-up about my idea of a totaly black OLED iPhone. Would love to see it blacker than black.

Edit 2: Attempt #2

Apple, are you seeing this? This is what we want!

 

[952863]

Apple, are you seeing this? This is what we want!

Agreed. That fan concept looks gorgeous.

 

[BrodieApple]

i don't need your confirmation: I already know the iPhone is better overall.
And the S7 won't probably sell even better than the iPhone SE... so much for an "iPhone destroyer"

I've never bothered how well my phones sell, if I did I wouldnt have bought 3 HTCs, for me its mainly about specs and value for money and also looks. With the S7 I just fell in love at first sight and first specs, money didn't come into it.
Just keep telling yourself your phones better if it makes you feel good, me I dont care, Ill probably have another brand in 12 months if somebody else comes out with a better phone than the S7, although its going to be hard to beat the S8 whatever that turns out like.
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Yeah they charge like a wounded bull in Aussie and we dont get any perks like they do in the US, thats why Im gradually moving to other brands like Samsung etc, Apple prices are just crazy here now.[/QUOTE]
I agree the prices are ridiculous but Samsung has similar pricing and I love iPhone

 

[Max(IT)]

Not surprising considering owing an iphone (or any apple product) is a status symbol in China.

Not surprising considering the iPhone SE is a very good device for people looking for an high end compact smartphone

 

[952863]

Not surprising considering the iPhone SE is a very good device for people looking for an high end compact smartphone

Yep, good bang for the buck. lol

 

[B4U]

The good news is that multiplying through by whatever fraction of that 200,000 people are engineers give you a number worth talking about. A company that size is when they start bringing in efficiency consultants to count trips to the printer.

All companies are different, and nobody likes someone from outside "the discipline" telling them how things should be done, but my experience in the past has been that if I use conservative figures and make a data driven case people are at least willing to listen. To an accountant, $100*200,000 people is a lot of money, but they have no idea how people's jobs work. Show them that $100 is 2 minutes a week, or whatever it comes out to, and then how many minutes are spent maintaining the device and it starts to click.

At the very least if, once you've explained the case, they still don't listen then when you call them idiots later you can show that that's a data driven conclusion as well...

I sure hope it gets it through their thick skull.
Tried to present a cost savings 2 years ago for a saving of $0.75 piece cost on a product of 500,000 annual production.
Testing are done, with all potential failure cases covered.
Proposal got killed at the bean-counting department because it did not meet the threshold of savings to present to the board...(facepalm......)

 

[DoYouLikePie?]

The design is gorgeous. Wonderful feel to it. It's thin but somehow feels comfortable when holding it. The screen is insanely beautiful, but I find the colours to be a bit garish, too much of a POP, in your face, LOUD. Haven't gotten much into the OS or used it enough to tell you about the battery life.

So you're using an S7 edge now? If you don't like the eye popping colors, try changing the display mode to basic; it is on dynamic by default (maybe you've done this). Also, as for battery life, mine has been incredible. I had very little screen on time today since I was working in the clean room, but this is pretty impressive.

 

[DoYouLikePie?]

I posted half a dozen benchmarks, you are just speaking on basically ONE, the Geekbench multi core test. The only test where Samsung 's gimmicks (put 8/10/12 cores in a phone, just to marketing them, no matter if it throttle like hell after a few minutes) shine.
Lol...

MOST is the key word here, since it define the best device. But your use of the word "trounces" when it is better in 2 tests of of 15 is hilarious.


I don't care about SD cards: they are ridiculous in 2016, and even Samsung can't make up their mind putting and taking from their phones year after year.
I posted AGAIN, tests from THREE SEPARATE INDEPENDENT WEBSITES, amongst the best on the web, and ALL OF THEM showed exactly the same performance, waaaay lower than iPhone.
But right, we should trust you...


DisplayMate ... Their bias towards Samsung is well known.
Form anandtech review, accurate and NOT USING THEIR OWN TOOLS (like DisplayMate incidentally does):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/5

in both review units I received the display has a noticeable green tint for many shades of grey, which seems to be somewhat of a perpetual problem with Samsung AMOLED displays

both devices have a noticeably lower gamma than expected, which does have some effect on accuracy but for the most part can help to serve as a compensation mechanism for reflectance when dealing with ambient light. It’s likely that the green tint issue may only appear on a device to device basis, but to see that such issues haven’t been resolved for years is somewhat concerning given that phones costing hundreds of dollars less don’t seem to have the same problems.

our Gretag MacBeth ColorChecker test, we see that there are some issues with grayscale accuracy, but overall color accuracy remains quite good

In addition to the grayscale problems mentioned earlier, Samsung clearly has not resolved issues with color shifting that occurs with viewing angle changes. LCDs definitely have more luminance degradation as you move away from the normal of the display plane, but at almost every angle change I can see whites get noticeably colder and interference patterns, in addition to a general color shift that is noticeably more than most LCDs used in high end smartphones and tablets. It’s obvious that this is a hard problem to solve due to uneven subpixel aging

So yes, a great display, still with the drawbacks of OLED technology nonetheless.
And I don't care if you are a chemist: on OLED display blue sub pixels start wearing faster than others SINCE DAY ONE, so color accuracy is degrading over the time, no matter what you think.
Samsung is working hard on that issue, mitigating the problem for sure, but even your beloved Samsung can't defeat chemistry ...

Blah blah blah... Anand makes anecdotal assertions about green tint etc... I haven't heard that reported anywhere else and see absolutely nothing of the sort on the 2 s7 edges in my household. If he's talking about holding the phone at an absurd viewing angle (far further than anything LCD could even touch) to produce color distortion, he's making an asinine statement. Anyway, which test, aside from brightness by a small margin, did the LCD iPhone best the OLED in again? Oh yeah - none. See images attached, anyone reading.

Please, do me the favor of providing the source on your hogwash assertion about the rapid degradation of blue emissive polymers in modern OLED displays.

 

[Col4bin]

There is NOTHING in Android superior to iOS...

Customization perhaps, and cost.

 

[austintg]

Customization perhaps, and cost.

Eh, barely any customization these days. And the phones cost identical. Actually, I think the s7 is more. S7 = $792 and 6s+ $749

 

[952863]

Eh, barely any customization these days. And the phones cost identical. Actually, I think the s7 is more. S7 = $792 and 6s+ $749

And, it costs $236 to make a 6s, and $255 for S7.

 

[Wanted797]

I don't get the fascination with 'edge' screens. What I've been screaming for years is borderless... BORDERLESS! The company that nails will be a killer. Edges skew the image on the screen and I don't care for slippery edges that will make me drop my phone. Just do away with bezels (top and bottom??) and take my money.

 

[Max(IT)]

So you're using an S7 edge now? If you don't like the eye popping colors, try changing the display mode to basic; it is on dynamic by default (maybe you've done this). Also, as for battery life, mine has been incredible. I had very little screen on time today since I was working in the clean room, but this is pretty impressive.

this still is MACRumors, on a thread regarding a future iPhone. Who exactly cares about your S7 battery life ? There is a section about non-Apple products in this forum...

 

[Max(IT)]

Blah blah blah... Anand makes anecdotal assertions about green tint etc... I haven't heard that reported anywhere else and see absolutely nothing of the sort on the 2 s7 edges in my household. If he's talking about holding the phone at an absurd viewing angle (far further than anything LCD could even touch) to produce color distortion, he's making an asinine statement. Anyway, which test, aside from brightness by a small margin, did the LCD iPhone best the OLED in again? Oh yeah - none. See images attached, anyone reading.

Please, do me the favor of providing the source on your hogwash assertion about the rapid degradation of blue emissive polymers in modern OLED displays.

lol, Anandtech review doesn't count when showing Apple Soc better than Samsung in most of the tests, but suddenly count to show display calibration tests...
And then it returns to be "anecdotal and asinine" reporting facts about the same display (the article is written by Joshua Ho), because, you know, your 2 S7 Edges are perfect.

Regarding blue emitters wearing faster than others, it's widespread knowledge: strange enough a chemist like you doesn't know.

 

[Qbnkelt]

So you're using an S7 edge now? If you don't like the eye popping colors, try changing the display mode to basic; it is on dynamic by default (maybe you've done this). Also, as for battery life, mine has been incredible. I had very little screen on time today since I was working in the clean room, but this is pretty impressive.

I have used an Android phone since the Atrix in 2010. And Windows since 2002, which was the Audiovox Pocket PC. And Blackberry since 2004 for work and then the 8310 for personal in 2007 .

My iPhone has been my main device since 2014. I've used and continue to use all platfirms and this is the best for me. Ever since the 5s, which clinched it for me.

So I don't come from a place of bias or fan girl, but one of personal experience. I don't care one flying fig about specs or benchmarks. I care about what's best for me, my preferences, my use case. Some of that are aesthetics. Some of that are how the phone fits my life.

So if a new iPhone comes out like the SE I get it because I loved that design which speaks to the aesthetics and compact form. So if in the future Apple comes out with a design that looks like the iPhone 4 I will get it because I loved that design.

I will have iPhones as my primary device as long as the devices fit my life and give me what I like. I switched from Windows to BlackBerry to iPhones as my primary device. If something comes out that suits me better I will get that and switch. But Android has never been compelling enough to me to be my primary device. Not since 2010. And the SGS7 won't change that because nothing about it makes me want to drop my iPhone.

 

[Max(IT)]

I have used an Android phone since the Atrix in 2010. And Windows since 2002, which was the Audiovox Pocket PC. And Blackberry since 2004 for work and then the 8310 for personal in 2007 .

My iPhone has been my main device since 2014. I've used and continue to use all platfirms and this is the best for me. Ever since the 5s, which clinched it for me.

So I don't come from a place of bias or fan girl, but one of personal experience. I don't care one flying fig about specs or benchmarks. I care about what's best for me, my preferences, my use case. Some of that are aesthetics. Some of that are how the phone fits my life.

So if a new iPhone comes out like the SE I get it because I loved that design which speaks to the aesthetics and compact form. So if in the future Apple comes out with a design that looks like the iPhone 4 I will get it because I loved that design.

I will have iPhones as my primary device as long as the devices fit my life and give me what I like. I switched from Windows to BlackBerry to iPhones as my primary device. If something comes out that suits me better I will get that and switch. But Android has never been compelling enough to me to be my primary device. Not since 2010. And the SGS7 won't change that because nothing about it makes me want to drop my iPhone.

agree.
If Apple is going to update their iPhone SE in 2017, I'm probably going to buy one to replace my current iPhone 6S.

 

[Qbnkelt]

agree.
If Apple is going to update their iPhone SE in 2017, I'm probably going to buy one to replace my current iPhone 6S.

I really really hope it will be similar to the 4. REALLY hope.

 

[Scorpion67]

Take a look at anandtech review, for instance...
The S7 display surely is great, but it has drawbacks. None of them were highlighted by DisplayMate, strange enough....
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/5
Every display has its drawbacks lol, no one can claim otherwise. AMOLED doesn't do well with whites and Retina doesn't do well with blacks. I haven't read DisplayMate's analysis so I can't make any claims here. But in Anandtech's test, the S7 and S7 edge beat the 6S plus in most tests. 6S isn't on their test.

 

[DoYouLikePie?]

lol, Anandtech review doesn't count when showing Apple Soc better than Samsung in most of the tests, but suddenly count to show display calibration tests...
And then it returns to be "anecdotal and asinine" reporting facts about the same display (the article is written by Joshua Ho), because, you know, your 2 S7 Edges are perfect.

Regarding blue emitters wearing faster than others, it's widespread knowledge: strange enough a chemist like you doesn't know.

I only used the AnAnd tests because you referenced them and seem to think the highly educated and specialized physicist at Display Mate is biased or some bs. My point is that AnAnds actual testing reveal an essentially perfect display (which is even states... "The S7 doesn't improve much on the S6 display, but that's mainly because the S6 set such a high bar for display quality"). Also, note the fact that he doesn't even compare the iPhone 6s itself; probably because the display is even more inferior than the 6s plus (we know it's inferior from other testing.. Especially Display Mate). So, again, which benchmark did the LCD prevail in, ever? I'm happy if you want to direct me to other sources.

As for your ignorant assertion about blue emitters and insulting my intelligence as a chemist, I challenge you once again to provide me with any source for your "general knowledge" about blue emitter degradation.

As I have stated, blue emitter lifespans have been a concern with OLED displays since the theory began to be explored in the 1980s. Since then, novel substrates have drastically improved emitter lifespans, even blue emitters, such that degradation is no longer a real concern for a consumer with fluorescent emitters. The next phase is developing reliable wavelength specific emitters for pure room lighting etc, and improving the lifespans of phosphorescent emitters for even more advanced displays. Your ignorance of OLED technology and just how much it will change the face of all lighting is breathtaking. You're rehashing an issue that has already been solved while you repeat the same nonsense.

 

[Max(IT)]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/5
Every display has its drawbacks lol, no one can claim otherwise. AMOLED doesn't do well with whites and Retina doesn't do well with blacks. I haven't read DisplayMate's analysis so I can't make any claims here. But in Anandtech's test, the S7 and S7 edge beat the 6S plus in most tests. 6S isn't on their test.

Never said the S6 Plus display was the best.
But I'm not yet sure I want an OLED display on my future iPhone because OLED technology has evident drawbacks. And the claim that "Retina doesn't do well with blacks" is just ridiculous. They aren't good as an OLED, but they are very good indeed, even with blacks.
Samsung's supporters jumped in but the thread wasn't about "S7 vs 6S". The thread was about a future iPhone with an OLED display.
I would buy nonetheless, but I'm worried about:
color precision over time
burn in effect
power consumption displaying a white UI like iOS
a poor PenTile matrix instead of a proper RGB one.

If Apple, LG, Samsung or whatever will be able to address those issues, I'm fine.

Regarding the "curved" display, all the apple users here just stated: we hope Apple would find an useful way to exploit it, and not a gimmick like Samsung did.

This was the point of the thread.
All the posts about the S7 are pointless.

 

[pmau]

The blue emitter AMOLED "problem" is not really relevant since people are updating their devices so frequently.
I have never read that a 10 year old AMOLED device can no longer be used because the blue colours are fainting.

For TV's on the other hand, I"m not so sure that I'd like to have a problem with AMOLED.
I do not upgrade TV's regularly.

 

[Max(IT)]

I only used the AnAnd tests because you referenced them and seem to think the highly educated and specialized physicist at Display Mate is biased or some bs. My point is that AnAnds actual testing reveal an essentially perfect display (which is even states... "The S7 doesn't improve much on the S6 display, but that's mainly because the S6 set such a high bar for display quality"). Also, note the fact that he doesn't even compare the iPhone 6s itself; probably because the display is even more inferior than the 6s plus (we know it's inferior from other testing.. Especially Display Mate). So, again, which benchmark did the LCD prevail in, ever? I'm happy if you want to direct me to other sources.

I don't care about your S7.
It's just a typical Samsung's product: good for the wow effect. Poor for real usage.
Anandtech review pointed out it is a GOOD display, NOT an essentially perfect one.

No matter how hard you tried to twist it:

in both review units I received the display has a noticeable green tint for many shades of grey, which seems to be somewhat of a perpetual problem with Samsung AMOLED displays

both devices have a noticeably lower gamma than expected, which does have some effect on accuracy but for the most part can help to serve as a compensation mechanism for reflectance when dealing with ambient light

As for your ignorant assertion about blue emitters and insulting my intelligence as a chemist, I challenge you once again to provide me with any source for your "general knowledge" about blue emitter degradation.

I don't have to link you anything: do it by yourself. Everyone knows about blue emitters wearing over the time faster than others. It's the organic nature of OLED. But with blue degrading faster, color accuracy is compromised.

As I have stated, blue emitter lifespans have been a concern with OLED displays since the theory began to be explored in the 1980s. Since then, novel substrates have drastically improved emitter lifespans, even blue emitters, such that degradation is no longer a real concern for a consumer with fluorescent emitters. The next phase is developing reliable wavelength specific emitters for pure room lighting etc, and improving the lifespans of phosphorescent emitters for even more advanced displays. Your ignorance of OLED technology and just how much it will change the face of all lighting is breathtaking. You're rehashing an issue that has already been solved while you repeat the same nonsense.

yes, they improved it, but still not solved the issue entirely.
Nor do they solved the burn in problem still present on OLED displays.
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The blue emitter AMOLED "problem" is not really relevant since people are updating their devices so frequently.
I have never read that a 10 year old AMOLED device can no longer be used because the blue colours are fainting.

For TV's on the other hand, I"m not so sure that I'd like to have a problem with AMOLED.
I do not upgrade TV's regularly.

it could take ten years to stop working, maybe, but it doesn't take a long time to start losing color precision.
I don't like a technology where sub pixels wears in a different way: am I entitled ?

Not to speak about burn in effects...

I'm worried...