Apple May Launch 5.8-Inch OLED iPhone With Curved Glass Casing and Screen in 2017

[952863]

You do realise that Apple is a big giant international company that gouges people more than just about any other company. Why on earth would you feel bad when people rightfully attack the company for all kinds of missteps and overpricing tactics.

It's a company not a church or benevolent society, they don't care about you, if they did they would sell most of their products for way less than they do.

I do realize Apple is a big company! Thank you. And Apple wants money? No way! Every company does, they are all the damn same. Supply the product, and then take your cash. Repeat. Every company is like that, nothing new there. It makes the world go round and round! Right? And where in my post did I say I feel bad? I'm just pointing out the hate, nothing more. Some hate is valid, but some hate is to the point where if someone doesn't like their tactics/products, then move on, and go to a competitor's offering. Simple as that. I don't know why they are here wasting their breath, day in and day out repeating the same thing, but on a different news topic. It's the same nonsense everyday on Macrumor's. Complaining day in and day out isn't going to change anything. If you enjoy the product, great. If you don't, then go somewhere else! Simple as that.

 

[Analog Kid]

Got to get past my manager first though.
The company has over 200,000 employees and not easy to get things escalated.

The good news is that multiplying through by whatever fraction of that 200,000 people are engineers give you a number worth talking about. A company that size is when they start bringing in efficiency consultants to count trips to the printer.

All companies are different, and nobody likes someone from outside "the discipline" telling them how things should be done, but my experience in the past has been that if I use conservative figures and make a data driven case people are at least willing to listen. To an accountant, $100*200,000 people is a lot of money, but they have no idea how people's jobs work. Show them that $100 is 2 minutes a week, or whatever it comes out to, and then how many minutes are spent maintaining the device and it starts to click.

At the very least if, once you've explained the case, they still don't listen then when you call them idiots later you can show that that's a data driven conclusion as well...

 

[RockSpider]

I do realize Apple is a big company! Thank you. And Apple wants money? No way! Every company does, they are all the damn same. Supply the product, and then take your cash. Repeat. Every company is like that, nothing new there. It makes the world go round and round! Right? And where in my post did I say I feel bad? I'm just pointing out the hate, nothing more. Some hate is valid, but some hate is to the point where if someone doesn't like their tactics/products, then move on, and go to a competitor's offering. Simple as that. I don't know why they are here wasting their breath, day in and day out repeating the same thing, but on a different news topic. It's the same nonsense everyday on Macrumor's. Complaining day in and day out isn't going to change anything. If you enjoy the product, great. If you don't, then go somewhere else! Simple as that.

I've spent a lot of time on forums from Android to Windows to mixed like Cnet, I've never seen any forum where there is not a certain amount of hate and aggression. Welcome to the real world, if you want everyone the same try living in China.

 

[Analog Kid]

Just because you have a big screen on a phone doesn't mean it's your only computing device, it is more likely means that you are using the phone like a SMARTphone rather than a feature phone.
If the world had to wait for Apple to innovate we'd still be using a 3.5 screen, thank god for Samsung, HTC, Sony and other innovative companies. About the only thing Apple is good at is thinner.

Your opinion is noted, RockSpider. At least much of the original impetus for the larger screen is for parts of the world where the phone is, in fact, the main computing device. It doesn't mean you aren't allowed to use it if you have a computer at home though, so you're ok. I won't tell anyone.

 

[DoYouLikePie?]

Don't forget there is more than one Apple user. When we start breaking the world in to Apple Fans and Android Fans, it's easy to assume each group is homogenous and speaks with one voice-- that's not usually the case. Very often when it feels like someone is contradicting themselves it turns out to be two different people with some views in common and others not.

I, for example, still hate huge screens and I'm not entirely sold on curved glass. The big screens, I think, are mostly aimed at a market that isn't me (where the phone is the primary computing device). Curved glass, I think, is mostly an attempt to bring variety to a form factor that's becoming stale for all vendors. I don't get religious about component technologies-- when OLED had fading, burn in, and blue color issues I was glad not to be using it, but if Apple thinks it meets their quality requirements, I'm willing to trust them on it. I have a gut reaction against conspiracy theories about design decisions-- I don't think Apple avoided OLED because they were trying to line their pockets with kids lunch money, I think it didn't meet whatever design criteria they were interested in while Samsung had different goals.

Technologies and the tradeoffs with them change over time, and peoples opinions along with them-- but if it feels like a sudden 180 then you're probably talking to different people.

This is purely a move to further gouge the consumer by Apple; just now have the costs of AMOLED (not Super AMOLED, yet) panels have begun to parallel LCD displays; prior to that, they were priced higher but offer significantly superior performance to LCD panels in terms of efficiency, contrast ratio, color accuracy, and durability. Since 2012 or so Samsung's AMOLED and SAMOLED panels have been producing far superior results with near infinite contrast ratios, inky, perfect black because of the ability to completely turn off individual pixels, better per watt efficiency, better absolute color accuracy, an incredibly impressive twice yearly upgrade cycle for the underlying OLED science, much like the "tick tock" of Intel processors, Samsung has dramatically improved its technology since its debut. I know I'm rambling on, but my point is that for years now AMOLED has been a far superior technology compared to LCD, but Apple failed to implement it because it didn't need to. Plenty of Apple fans are happy with the same **** year after year; why change it? All the time Apple keeps releasing mundane products with recycled technology, Apple fans recite the delusional "specs don't matter" chant ad nauseum, but instantly jubilate with glee when the mothership announces they are FINALLY updating the specs of their device.

What we are left with on the Galaxy S7 Edge is the single best display ever seen on a smartphone; it is absolutely brilliant to behold while being incredibly efficient and bright. Meanwhile, Apple is talking about finally implementing OLEDs, which they will have either LG or Samsung produce (since they have never actually produced their own components), in 2017-- a full 8 years after Samsung implemented its first AMOLED displays in 2009.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm

 

[RockSpider]

Your opinion is noted, RockSpider. At least much of the original impetus for the larger screen is for parts of the world where the phone is, in fact, the main computing device. It doesn't mean you aren't allowed to use it if you have a computer at home though, so you're ok. I won't tell anyone.

Thanks for not telling anyone, anyway just be thankful there are other companies on the planet building phones because without them God only knows how far Apple would be behind and how much they would be charging.

Right now in Australia they are charging $900 for the new so called iPad Pro 9.7, I bought a new Surface 3 for $538 and that really is a Pro, I also bought the Samsung Galaxy S2 9.7 for around $540, so I'm getting two better machines for nearly the same price as one iPad.

I've bought nearly every iPad except the first one including Minis and the Pro, but Apple is getting greedier by the day, so my money is going elsewhere.

 

[Max(IT)]

The SD card is rated at 100 MB/S and can transfer data that fast in some readers; the rates on the phone are more than acceptable for daily usage. I'm wondering if the iPhone 6s Plus in this test is running with full disk encryption (FDE) as the GS7 is-- notice that they make a point to say the S7 is in the graph, but don't for the iPhone. I read the article and it wasn't clearly specified. Samsung actually produces a large majority of the NAND for the iPhone, so it seems unlikely their storage would be much inferior; also, when you look at smaller 4K writes, the S7 is twice as fast.

Oh my... Everyone with half a knowledge of iOS know that iOS has FDE as default....
The iPhone is just better, with its NVMe implementation. Deal with it.

 

[952863]

I've spent a lot of time on forums from Android to Windows to mixed like Cnet, I've never seen any forum where there is not a certain amount of hate and aggression. Welcome to the real world, if you want everyone the same try living in China.

The amount of hate here especially, is pretty damn bad. And the web forum isn't the real world. lol Majority of what is said on here won't be discussed amongst a group of friends, if it was, they would probably get a weird stare. And, whatever is said in this web forum was taken into the real world, all of Apple's products would sell terribly. But, that's not the case. Is it?

And china? Sure, why not? I hear its an amazing country.

 

[Max(IT)]

Why would you be glad about that? You as a customer would benefit getting an awesome product under my management as CEO. You'd be one happy camper.
When did doing something the same as another manufacturer be the right decision? It never is. Having numerous storage options is stupid in today's world. Storage costs nothing, so include the best across the board and make it a non issue in the customer's purchasing decision. Customers getting 'storage full' errors have a negative experience from their product. This should be eliminated by the manufacturer not the user.
Apple can differentiate itself like this with no difference to its bottom line. Customers will be happy, not needing to think about storage options, storage errors, while Android and other users struggle with 32gb, 64gb, 128g and other such nonsense.

Because we have to stick with reality... Economic, commercial and technical reality.

 

[RockSpider]

The amount of hate here especially, is pretty damn bad. And the web forum isn't the real world. lol And china? Sure, why not? I hear its an amazing country.

No, the amount of hate here is actually a lot less than many other forums, I havent been on Cnet for a while but that was really bad a few years ago.

 

[Max(IT)]

To beat a dead horse at this point, I personally feel like it's getting to where 16 Gb isn't enough anymore, but close enough to "enough" people will continue to buy 16Gb phones. Why? because they are all these consumers can afford and they will come to hate that they are stuck with what they chose.

Why should Apple replace the standard with 32Gb? Well the first ipad had a resolution of 1,024x768 and sold 300,000 the first day. As a tech innovator Apple evolved to retina displays.

Why was Apple one of the first tech companies to offer 5k iMacs?
Because as a tech innovator Apple offered what no one else could (in a surprisingly affordable way)

They didn't suddenly decide to be a charity. They adopted the superior tech because it offered a superior experience from 720p and no one else had the chutzpah to put out a 5k computer. That's why we love Apple, because they take risks and know what we want before we knew we did.

IMHO 16gb is no longer acceptable by today's standards, and I sincerely hope Apple establishes 32Gb as the baseline model starting with the iphone 7.

Agree. I'd like Apple to switch to an 32/128/256 Gb offer, and I would probably pick the 128 Gb

 

[DoYouLikePie?]

Oh my... Everyone with half a knowledge of iOS know that iOS has FDE as default....
The iPhone is just better, with its NVMe implementation. Deal with it.

Curiously, I ran the AndroBench benchmark on my own GS7 Edge and scored far better than the results posted on AnAndtech-- yes, my device is fully encrypted. See attached. I respect AnAndtech generally, but something seems amiss-- I notice they are disussing something about "2015" data for GS7? I am not sure what that means, but it doesn't match the performance of my device.

So, compared to the performance of my device, which blows away the iPhone benches in every category except Sequential Write, where the iPhone beats the edge by 20mb/s.


Also, I just noticed that the benchmarks over at Ars Technica tell a very different tale:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/03/samsung-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge-review-the-galaxy-s6-2-0/

I'm not sure if the reviewers had apps installing in the background or what, but my device performs better than any of these sites; Ars is still much better than what AnAnd reported.

 

[Max(IT)]

Millions of people care and chose it over iOS and the iPhone. Imagine that, people like something that you don't.
[doublepost=1459199974][/doublepost]


Priceless. And soon you'll be touting the advantages of a curved OLED screen.

Are you fighting a personal battle against me ?
Interesting, go ahead...

I don't care about others. Use android and speak about android on another website.
This is about Apple products...
I never said people aren't free to choose android. Everyone is entitled to choose whatever he/she like more.
I just said for me android is just garbage.
I'll speak about curved OLED display when, and if, Apple will release one.
For the time being I'm not excited about that.

 

[2IS]

I welcome this news and hope it's true. I still think the 4/4s were the best looking iPhones made.

 

[chrisblaze]

If the phone gets any bigger, they should do away with the iPad Mini.

 

[952863]

No, the amount of hate here is actually a lot less than many other forums, I havent been on Cnet for a while but that was really bad a few years ago.

CNET has always been a garbage website, though. As far as I can remember.

If the phone gets any bigger, they should do away with the iPad Mini.

Why? It will make them extra money. I doubt they'll do that.

 

[Max(IT)]

Sure, but we really don't need any thinner than the 6S

Why do you feel entitled to speak for "us" ?
I'm using my 6S with a Apple silicone case, so the thinner the better, if battery life remains the same.
Overall I'm satisfied by the iPhone 6S battery life: I can use it for a whole day and by the evening I still usually have 20-25% of charge left. Over the time it will decrease , obviously, but it will last one day as usual.
Having 2 hours usage more is irrelevant for me, especially at the cost of thickness and weight.
Give me another full day (impossible) or let it as it is.
[doublepost=1459235324][/doublepost]

Like Apple's iPad with Retina Display? The one they had to refresh 6 months later due to performance issues?

Yes, they screwed up, with the iPad 3.
Nobody is saying Apple never fails. Just less than others....
[doublepost=1459235502][/doublepost]

You are totally wrong, why, because you don't have the S7 like I do, the case doesn't cover the Edge, not even a tiny bit.
The main reason I bought the S7 Edge, is size, compared to 6s Plus it's way smaller and lighter with same screen size. The Edge is pretty handy as well just a quick swipe from the side and you can have whatever you want there, contacts, apps, weather, whatever.

Actually it really demolishes the Plus in nearly all departments as well, just the camera alone makes it nearly worth buying just for that, it's almost impossible to take a bad photo it's that fast.

I was actually going to buy the Note 5, but I noticed a lady with the S7 Edge, it was love at first sight, I just had to buy it after that, the phone I mean.

the case interfere with the edge concept, even if it doesn't cover the screen (!!!):

And please stop those FUD about "it demolishes" the iPhone 6S+, because it's just NOT TRUE.
The A9 still is a better SoC in MOST of the tests.

[doublepost=1459236817][/doublepost]

You do realise that Apple is a big giant international company that gouges people more than just about any other company. Why on earth would you feel bad when people rightfully attack the company for all kinds of missteps and overpricing tactics.

It's a company not a church or benevolent society, they don't care about you, if they did they would sell most of their products for way less than they do.

Apple is an international company (thank you for the information ) that made products and an integrated ecosystem that I ACTUALLY LIKE. This is the reason I'm here.
You don't have to like it. You don't have to buy their products.
Just move on towards what you like more.
Why you and others feel the need to come here lecturing us on how bad Apple is ? Who cares about your Samsung S7 ? Is this a thread where people are seeking advices ?
[doublepost=1459237376][/doublepost]

Analog Kid, your ignorance shows and supports my case when you discuss OLED displays. This is purely a move to further gouge the consumer by Apple; just now have the costs of AMOLED (not Super AMOLED, yet) panels have begun to parallel LCD displays; prior to that, they were priced higher but offer significantly superior performance to LCD panels in terms of efficiency, contrast ratio, color accuracy, and durability. Since 2012 or so Samsung's AMOLED and SAMOLED panels have been producing far superior results with near infinite contrast ratios, inky, perfect black because of the ability to completely turn off individual pixels, better per watt efficiency, better absolute color accuracy, an incredibly impressive twice yearly upgrade cycle for the underlying OLED science, much like the "tick tock" of Intel processors, Samsung has dramatically improved its technology since its debut. I know I'm rambling on, but my point is that for years now AMOLED has been a far superior technology compared to LCD, but Apple failed to implement it because it didn't need to. Plenty of Apple fans are happy with the same **** year after year; why change it? All the time Apple keeps releasing mundane products with recycled technology, Apple fans recite the delusional "specs don't matter" chant ad nauseum, but instantly jubilate with glee when the mothership announces they are FINALLY updating the specs of their device.

What we are left with on the Galaxy S7 Edge is the single best display ever seen on a smartphone; it is absolutely brilliant to behold while being incredibly efficient and bright. Meanwhile, Apple is talking about finally implementing OLEDs, which they will have either LG or Samsung produce (since they have never actually produced their own components), in 2017-- a full 8 years after Samsung implemented its first AMOLED displays in 2009.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm

Speaking about ignorance, what about "watt efficiency" of OLED displaying whites, that incidentally are the base of Apple's UI ? You clearly have no idea, right ?
Speaking about ignorance, what about OLED wearing over the time, where blue sub pixels are going to die faster than the others (and your color accuracy will suffer since the beginning) ?
Speaking about ignorance, what about the nasty PenTile Matrix used on most of the Samsung's screens ?
OLED technology has drawbacks. Many drawbacks. Samsung's displays are good, for sure, but there are drawbacks and they aren't an always win solution.
And all your blah blah about AMOLED used since 2009 is utterly ridiculous, since they were a very poor solution until recently (ridiculous sunlight readability , inaccurate colors and so on).
If Apple will switch to OLED, will be when they think the technology is mature enough and the drawbacks are compensated by the benefits.
[doublepost=1459237901][/doublepost]

I don't consider ignorance to be insulting; it is a fact in this case. I believe the facts of the technology demonstrate there is no objective case (other than profit) for Apple to have continued to use lesser quality displays for such a long period of time. There simply is no comparison between the performance of the two technologies. To argue otherwise is, in my mind, to be ignorant of the science.

Reality check: most of the professionals panels still IPS-LCD, not OLED. This is the demonstration the technology isn't ready yet for all the applications. It's improving, for sure, and maybe it will be the future, but Apple taking its time before switching to OLED is a wise move.

 

[RockSpider]

Why do you feel entitled to speak for "us" ?
I'm using my 6S with a Apple silicone case, so the thinner the better, if battery life remains the same.
Overall I'm satisfied by the iPhone 6S battery life: I can use it for a whole day and by the evening I still usually have 20-25% of charge left. Over the time it will decrease , obviously, but it will last one day as usual.
Having 2 hours usage more is irrelevant for me, especially at the cost of thickness and weight.
Give me another full day (impossible) or let it as it is.
[doublepost=1459235324][/doublepost]
Yes, they screwed up, with the iPad 3.
Nobody is saying Apple never fails. Just less than others....

[doublepost=1459236302][/doublepost]
the case interfere with the edge concept, even if it doesn't cover the screen (!!!):

And please stop those FUD about "it demolishes" the iPhone 6S+, because it's just NOT TRUE.
The A9 still is a better SoC in MOST of the tests.

[doublepost=1459236817][/doublepost]
Apple is an international company (thank you for the information ) that made products and an integrated ecosystem that I ACTUALLY LIKE. This is the reason I'm here.
You don't have to like it. You don't have to buy their products.
Just move on towards what you like more.
Why you and others feel the need to come here lecturing us on how bad Apple is ? Who cares about your Samsung S7 ? Is this a thread where people are seeking advices ?
[doublepost=1459237376][/doublepost]
Speaking about ignorance, what about "watt efficiency" of OLED displaying whites, that incidentally are the base of Apple's UI ? You clearly have no idea, right ?
Speaking about ignorance, what about OLED wearing over the time, where blue sub pixels are going to die faster than the others (and your color accuracy will suffer since the beginning) ?
Speaking about ignorance, what about the nasty PenTile Matrix used on most of the Samsung's screens ?
OLED technology has drawbacks. Many drawbacks. Samsung's displays are good, for sure, but there are drawbacks and they aren't an always win solution.
And all your blah blah about AMOLED used since 2009 is utterly ridiculous, since they were a very poor solution until recently (ridiculous sunlight readability , inaccurate colors and so on).
If Apple will switch to OLED, will be when they think the technology is mature enough and the drawbacks are compensated by the benefits.

Those photos don't show interference with the Edge, I'm here because Apple is about to copy my beautiful fast S7, I'm here because at the moment I have at least 4 Apple products including a Core i7 Mac Mini, up until a couple of months ago I had 6 Apple products.
The S7 is an iPhone destroyer that's why Apple is going to try to copy it, by that time Samsung will be even further ahead.

If it will make you feel better, I'll tell you the iPhone is better and looks better than the S7, I don't want you to get an inferiority complex.

 

[Max(IT)]

Curiously, I ran the AndroBench benchmark on my own GS7 Edge and scored far better than the results posted on AnAndtech-- yes, my device is fully encrypted. See attached. I respect AnAndtech generally, but something seems amiss-- I notice they are disussing something about "2015" data for GS7? I am not sure what that means, but it doesn't match the performance of my device.

So, compared to the performance of my device, which blows away the iPhone benches in every category except Sequential Write, where the iPhone beats the edge by 20mb/s.


Also, I just noticed that the benchmarks over at Ars Technica tell a very different tale:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/03/samsung-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge-review-the-galaxy-s6-2-0/

I'm not sure if the reviewers had apps installing in the background or what, but my device performs better than any of these sites; Ars is still much better than what AnAnd reported.

What different tale ???

Ars sequential read for the S7: 232 (US version)
Anand sequential read for the S7: 233 (US version)

Ars sequential write: 56
Anand sequential write: 61

THEY ARE IDENTICAL !

But your device is somewhat "different" .... and maybe not encrypted, or maybe you are using a different setting.
Two different independent websites says the same, but we should trust your results...
[doublepost=1459238884][/doublepost]another one ..... ooooops, same results

S7 reads: 259
S7 writes: 38

[doublepost=1459239927][/doublepost]

Those photos don't show interference with the Edge, I'm here because Apple is about to copy my beautiful fast S7, I'm here because at the moment I have at least 4 Apple products including a Core i7 Mac Mini, up until a couple of months ago I had 6 Apple products.
The S7 is an iPhone destroyer that's why Apple is going to try to copy it, by that time Samsung will be even further ahead.

If it will make you feel better, I'll tell you the iPhone is better and looks better than the S7, I don't want you to get an inferiority complex.

i don't need your confirmation: I already know the iPhone is better overall.
And the S7 won't probably sell even better than the iPhone SE... so much for an "iPhone destroyer"

 

[BrodieApple]

...Apple upgrade program

its not in australia

 

[RockSpider]

i don't need your confirmation: I already know the iPhone is better overall.
And the S7 won't probably sell even better than the iPhone SE... so much for an "iPhone destroyer"[/QUOTE]

I've never bothered how well my phones sell, if I did I wouldnt have bought 3 HTCs, for me its mainly about specs and value for money and also looks. With the S7 I just fell in love at first sight and first specs, money didn't come into it.
Just keep telling yourself your phones better if it makes you feel good, me I dont care, Ill probably have another brand in 12 months if somebody else comes out with a better phone than the S7, although its going to be hard to beat the S8 whatever that turns out like.
[doublepost=1459241605][/doublepost]

its not in australia

Yeah they charge like a wounded bull in Aussie and we dont get any perks like they do in the US, thats why Im gradually moving to other brands like Samsung etc, Apple prices are just crazy here now.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Haha, I don't why this made me laugh.

On a side note, the amount of hate Apple gets on an Apple fan site is astonishing, to say the least. I would think Apple products would sell considerably worse than they do now due to this. But, thankfully Apple is doing fine even with all this hate. *mind blown*

I know huh?!? One would wonder what exactly is missing from their lives? I sure don't go to XDA to trash Android products. I just enjoy my devices and let others enjoy theirs. What a concept.

 

[smacrumon]

Because we have to stick with reality... Economic, commercial and technical reality.

The reality is economically it costs nothing to a Apple to provide a top level storage at a bottom level storage price and would mean even simpler inventory and marketing, commercially it would be a highly successful device and move plus users wouldn't experience storage alert errors, technically it would be simplistic to implement just one top level storage type no changes to the device are required. The only issue and reality check needed is we have greedy shareholders who whinge and like the confusion of different storage sizes. Shareholders move aside and let progress through.

 

[Scorpion67]

you saying that somehow it is better when i bet you havent even tested an iphone because omg lawl apple evil.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about it being faster or slower, I clearly said superior (overall). It's impossible for you to admit that you've never used other phones because you already made a claim that they're slower than an iPhone in your previous comment. Regardless, you just claimed that other phones freeze and throttle. You didn't even specify which phone, so you're pretty much referring to every other phone. You can't possibly convince me that you used every other smartphone that isn't an iPhone to make such a claim..

 

[Techyguy]

Oh my... Everyone with half a knowledge of iOS know that iOS has FDE as default....
The iPhone is just better, with its NVMe implementation. Deal with it.

Why are all your posts so aggressive sounding? I just joined here and have seen several of your posts. Not one was "nice" all were snarky and aggressive

I saw that you were banned/suspended here and then went to iMore to whine about it. Maybe you shouldnt take things so seriously