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So ... people complain that iPhones have super-slow transfer speeds.

Apple releases an iPhone that supports Thunderbolt, but requires a more expensive cable (for technical reasons, not greed), .. and people complain about that.

Can't we all just be happy? 😃
 
So ... people complain that iPhones have super-slow transfer speeds.

Apple releases an iPhone that supports Thunderbolt, but requires a more expensive cable (for technical reasons, not greed), .. and people complain about that.

Can't we all just be happy? 😃
No, after all we’re MR here :)

I dont get all the fuzz about cables…
 
Spot-on assessment. And for most people WiFi 6 (and likely 6E for one of the upcoming iPhone 15 models) works great for data transfer.

The fact that many reflexively choose to go the "Apple is ripping us off route" speaks volumes.

Apparently most here want Apple to include an expensive high-rate USB-C cable with every phone, and pass that cost onto users (and then whine about a price increase). The majority of which will have absolutely no need for it.
Yes, and if you spent the money on upgrading your wifi router to 6/6E you also have the money to get a high speed cable…

95+% of iPhone user have zero need for a high speed data cable …
 
I'm sorry but if you spent $20 on a buffing cloth just because it has an Apple logo on it then you are a fool.
Look around what stupid ca$&@p people spend money on, it THEIR choice, but ok, you call them fools…
 
A USB 3 speed capable port and cable worth under a dollar would have been nice on a 800$+ device with a 100%+ markup in 2023, don't you agree?

No, I disagree. WiFi 6 (and soon to be 6E) more than meets my phone transfer rate needs.

But I'm on outlier on this group, remembering the whinefest when Apple ditched the floppy disk, and then the CD.
 
Yes, and if you spent the money on upgrading your wifi router to 6/6E you also have the money to get a high speed cable…

95+% of iPhone user have zero need for a high speed data cable …

Yep. I suppose there are some who are still steamed Apple ditched floppy and CD drives.
 
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Agree at least step it up some for 15 and then even faster for Pro
Over the past couple years almost everyone here on MR said: who uses a cable for iPhone, no one needs that anymore citing cloud, wifi, airdrop etc, there were quite a few who even wanted to have a port-less iPhone…

Now we get USB-C port and all in a sudden EVERYONE wants to transfer their 3 photos over TB4…

But whatever, after all we have something more to compail about Apple…
 
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Some points that many people are missing:
  • All USB-C cables have wires for power/ground/cable detection etc. plus 2 wires for USB-2 signals. The USB-C standard (nothing to do with the EU) requires USB 2.0 as a minimum.
  • USB-C cables that support USB 3.2/Thunderbolt 3/DisplayPort need to add eight more wires to support 4 lanes of high-speed data. USB C/2.0 cannot physically carry USB 3 or TB signals.
  • USB-C cables that support higher charging rates also need thicker/more wires to carry the current.
  • Thunderbolt-branded cables over 0.8m have to be made to higher standards and/or include active signal booster chips in order to support the full 40Gbps speed. For Thunderbolt 4 that's 2m, but I'm pretty sure that's down to higher (= more expensive) minimum standards for TB4-branded cables rather than anything magic about TB4.
So high-speed data and fast charging in a single cable is going to mean a more expensive, thicker, stiffer cable, whether you like it or not. Heck, look at the photo of the alleged new cable in the article - its only 0.8m long and as thick as a pencil - OK for syncing your 4k raw video footage with your Mac but really not what you want in an everyday charge cable.

The valid point of USB-C is that - for mobile devices - one hole in the case does it all. The idea that one cable could do it all was always magical thinking - unless you only buy top-of-the-range TB4-certified cables for everything (and that's only been possible since TB4 - active TB3 cables were Thunderbolt-only - no USB or charging).

The upside is that because Apple are switching to USB-C there's a competetive market for equivalent USB-C cables from reputable sources or (if you want) Intel-certified Thunderbolt cables. With Lightning your choices were (a) Expensive Apple-branded cables, (b) Expensive licensed-by-Apple cables or (c) "do you feel lucky" bootleg cables. So, now, you can still have fun mocking Apple's cable prices, but you don't actually need to buy them. But, do compare like-with-like - I'm not defending the price of Apple's $130 TB4 Pro cable, but you can only compare it with other active, 2m, 100W, 30Gbps TB4-certified cables.

Oh, plus: Lightning physically doesn't have enough pins to fully support USB 3.2, TB4 or full-bandwidth DisplayPort (One of the past iPad Pros could kinda sorta do USB 3.0 with the right dongle - later iPads have gone with USB-C) - so an iPhone Pro with Lightning and TB4 (which does start to become relevant for something that's being sold more as a portable video/photo studio than a phone) was never going to happen.

Going to USB-C makes far more sense than coming up with Lightning 2 (to be fair, there was no viable standard alternative back when Lightning was launched) - and the writing was on the wall once all the Macs and the iPad Pro had switched to USB-C in order to support TB3.

All the EU is doing here is giving Apple a handy scapegoat to blame for making people replace their Lightning accessories.
 
Some points that many people are missing:
  • All USB-C cables have wires for power/ground/cable detection etc. plus 2 wires for USB-2 signals. The USB-C standard (nothing to do with the EU) requires USB 2.0 as a minimum.
  • USB-C cables that support USB 3.2/Thunderbolt 3/DisplayPort need to add eight more wires to support 4 lanes of high-speed data. USB C/2.0 cannot physically carry USB 3 or TB signals.
  • USB-C cables that support higher charging rates also need thicker/more wires to carry the current.
  • Thunderbolt-branded cables over 0.8m have to be made to higher standards and/or include active signal booster chips in order to support the full 40Gbps speed. For Thunderbolt 4 that's 2m, but I'm pretty sure that's down to higher (= more expensive) minimum standards for TB4-branded cables rather than anything magic about TB4.
So high-speed data and fast charging in a single cable is going to mean a more expensive, thicker, stiffer cable, whether you like it or not. Heck, look at the photo of the alleged new cable in the article - its only 0.8m long and as thick as a pencil - OK for syncing your 4k raw video footage with your Mac but really not what you want in an everyday charge cable.

The valid point of USB-C is that - for mobile devices - one hole in the case does it all. The idea that one cable could do it all was always magical thinking - unless you only buy top-of-the-range TB4-certified cables for everything (and that's only been possible since TB4 - active TB3 cables were Thunderbolt-only - no USB or charging).

The upside is that because Apple are switching to USB-C there's a competetive market for equivalent USB-C cables from reputable sources or (if you want) Intel-certified Thunderbolt cables. With Lightning your choices were (a) Expensive Apple-branded cables, (b) Expensive licensed-by-Apple cables or (c) "do you feel lucky" bootleg cables. So, now, you can still have fun mocking Apple's cable prices, but you don't actually need to buy them. But, do compare like-with-like - I'm not defending the price of Apple's $130 TB4 Pro cable, but you can only compare it with other active, 2m, 100W, 30Gbps TB4-certified cables.

Oh, plus: Lightning physically doesn't have enough pins to fully support USB 3.2, TB4 or full-bandwidth DisplayPort (One of the past iPad Pros could kinda sorta do USB 3.0 with the right dongle - later iPads have gone with USB-C) - so an iPhone Pro with Lightning and TB4 (which does start to become relevant for something that's being sold more as a portable video/photo studio than a phone) was never going to happen.

Going to USB-C makes far more sense than coming up with Lightning 2 (to be fair, there was no viable standard alternative back when Lightning was launched) - and the writing was on the wall once all the Macs and the iPad Pro had switched to USB-C in order to support TB3.

All the EU is doing here is giving Apple a handy scapegoat to blame for making people replace their Lightning accessories.

Well stated - thanks! I suspect some will still insist on being unhappy, though.
 
As long as the included cable meets the minimum spec of the port, I’m good. A USB 2.0 cable with the pros I would have a problem with. I will buy a thunderbolt cable though to use between my phone and my thunderbolt devices, if the pros will have thunderbolt.
 
Image transfer with the $129 Apple cable:

iu


Image transfer with a generic cable:

iu


I think it was planned...

(and the second image took five times longer to upload)
 
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I wonder what's the difference between this new 0.8m cable and the 1m cables they ship with Studio Displays (which they don't seem to sell separately).



Apple's 1.8m and 3m cables are actually a good deal. Both have re-timer chips on both ends and the cable itself is very high quality.

And _some_ people don't seem to understand why it's necessary to have chips in _some_ cables:
1. the e-Marker chip identifies the maximum power. Shoving too many amps through a thin cable is a fire hazard.
2. To ensure high bandwidth, re-driver or even re-timer chips are needed to ensure the signal integrity, along with good cables and good shielding. Or else the signal on the other end will become unusable.

Current rumor seems to indicate that you could charge your new iPhone with any USB Type-C cable. Also I'm guessing it's very likely you can transfer data with any cable as well -- similar to the iPad Pro with TB4, you just get different speeds with different cables because the cable themselves have different capabilities.

(One other thing I learned with the iPad Pro is that in DFU mode it's always USB 2.0 only)
 
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More like thank Apple for dragging its heels, kicking & screaming like the petulant child it is. Apple could have avoided all this years ago.
Have Apple been kicking and screaming?

...about being "forced" to adopt a technology that they helped develop and popularised?

...about being "forced" to adopt a technology that they already rolled out across the Mac line way before it had any large-scale uptake?

...about being "forced" to do so shortly after Intel's opening-up of Thunderbolt and the advent of USB4 made it much easier for them to build Apple Silicon chips with 40Gbps capability and when high-end iPhones are increasingly being sold for their video production capabilities?

If Apple (as opposed to their fans) are screaming anything (and I'm not sure that they are) it's "Please don't throw me into the briar patch, EU!". Because nobody likes having to buy new dongles, even when the old tech is obsolete, so its good to have somone to blame.
 
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So there isn't a standard USB-C. The EU, lol. The same EU that don't even have standard electrical outlets for all of their member countries.
 
All this kerfuffle over cables and transfer speed. Doesn't Wifi 6 already support high-bandwidth transfers? Maximum upper limit of 9.6GB per second. So that cat video you just shot would take less than 1 second to transfer. 🤣
Might surprise you, but high-bandwidth cabling isn't for people syncing their home videos. The lack of high-speed connectivity with the iPhone was a big part of what professionals were missing. People logging dozens of gigs of footage that needs to be transferred quickly and reliably.
 
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Might surprise you, but high-bandwidth cabling isn't for people syncing their home videos. The lack of high-speed connectivity with the iPhone was a big part of what professionals were missing. People logging dozens of gigs of footage that needs to be transferred quickly and reliably.
Rumor has it the phone includes WiFi 7 - guess how fast those transfer speeds are?
 
No, I disagree. WiFi 6 (and soon to be 6E) more than meets my phone transfer rate needs.

But I'm on outlier on this group, remembering the whinefest when Apple ditched the floppy disk, and then the CD.
they did not remove the port/cable, it's still there, just the worst version of it. They chose to castrate it and give it 2.0 speeds for greed. How has this anything to do with tech evolving and moving from one mass medium to another?
 
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