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I'm really curious if AT&T will let their 4S customers upgrade. It'll be just shy of a year if the new iPhone does release September 21st. And with the 4S being the best selling iPhone so far that's tons of customers who won't be eligible to upgrade. Sure some will be willing to pay that full amount but that's still a nice amount of sales that will be missed.
 
Nope. Maybe the cheaper 4 and 4S models, but T-Mobile still need an LTE network compatible with the new iPhone™.

so does that mean we wont get it in the rest of the world just because lte isnt up and running????
 
If you want LTE you'll have to either stay with AT&T, or go with Verizon. T-Mobile won't have LTE until next spring/summer time. The good news with that is that they'll be deploying LTE-Advanced (which is considered "true 4g"). In the meantime, their HSPA+ 42Mbps network has speeds comparable to LTE, so it shouldn't be too bad without LTE for a while.

So do they have that everywhere (the HSPA+ 42Mbps)? In the D.C./NOVA area they were telling me last fall when I was asking that if I was to get an iPhone 4s that it would only DL at their EDGE network speeds?

And I assume we'll want to buy an unlocked phone that works on the AT&T band correct?
 
Wow... talk about completely misunderstanding the nature of the new world.
The physical design is the LAST thing that iPhone is about.
The application IS the device, and you literally get to carry hundreds of devices with you.
Unless you want fins on your phone. Welcome to 1959.

Thanks for making my point. When the software is boring, you start looking elsewhere to maintain your interest - i.e., the phone's design.

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Did you not see the revenue results from last week? There's not discernible slowing in iPhone sales, whatsoever.

Really, because you must have a learning disability. The numbers released by Apple, as well as the thousands of articles written as a result, clearly show that iPhone sales declined by 26% from the previous quarter. Is that discernible enough for you?
 
I really like Tim Cook. The steadfastness of this September 12 rumor, and how far ahead we are of that date, really runs counter to his recent "doubling-down on secrecy" comment. I hope that he gets the last laugh and has engineered some misinformation and false iPhone parts leaks. I'd love to see invitations go out for an earlier event with a different looking phone, etc.
My two cents.

Well you know, 1.5 months ahead is really not breaking any secrecy. You have to let tech journalists make plans to travel, etc to be there.
 
Really, because you must have a learning disability. The numbers released by Apple, as well as the thousands of articles written as a result, clearly show that iPhone sales declined by 26% from the previous quarter. Is that discernible enough for you?

You can't compare quarter to quarter (Q2 say vs Q3 in 2012)...it has to be year by year (Q2-2011 vs Q2 -2012).

iPhone: 26 million units, up 28%
 
So do they have that everywhere (the HSPA+ 42Mbps)? In the D.C./NOVA area they were telling me last fall when I was asking that if I was to get an iPhone 4s that it would only DL at their EDGE network speeds?

And I assume we'll want to buy an unlocked phone that works on the AT&T band correct?

With Verizon in Loudoun/Fairfax(even all the way to Winchester) I get 15-25 down, with T-Mobile/AT&T HSPA+(assuming you don't get switched over to 3G) I barely get 7.
 
Thanks for making my point. When the software is boring, you start looking elsewhere to maintain your interest - i.e., the phone's design.

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Really, because you must have a learning disability. The numbers released by Apple, as well as the thousands of articles written as a result, clearly show that iPhone sales declined by 26% from the previous quarter. Is that discernible enough for you?

and grew 28 percent year over year. How are their sales declining again?
 
The more you repeat this the more idiotic it sounds. And you're going to be sadly dissapointed come September when you no longer have an iPhone you can fit into your pocket :rolleyes:. You know, because 4" is so huge. It'll be like you're holding a iPad up to your ear, hahaha.

Even Apple doesn't believe 3.5" is large enough these days, so just get over it. You're beating a dead horse.

I sound like an idiot for responding to people? 4 inches is fine with me but I was responding to the people who want something bigger than that. Did you read my link? They made it 3.5 inches for a reason. Thumbs aren't getting bigger.

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First iPhone. I'm on Verizon, and the timing of the VZ launch didn't line up with my contract expiration date. So I held off.

Well welcome to iPhone :)
 
Good call!

Something about all these "leaks and rumors" doesn't seem right.

We've had several supposed 'leaks' in the past month or so that seem to match up and now we're seeing actual dates for the announcement and release.

The thing is, Apple themselves have not mentioned nor confirmed anything.

Do you guys/gals think Apple would allow this many questionable sources leak their new design and not comment on it?

Do you all think as much ground this new 'date' rumor is gaining that Apple would not comment?

I guess not since they haven't in the past correct? Just seems funny that a company set on such secrecy and keeping everyone in the dark would not even comment disclaiming all we've seen.

Maybe they are controlled leaks.

Maybe everything we've seen/heard is true and they just don't care. :rolleyes:

Good call - this has gone almost TOO smoothly - no lost prototypes in bars but professionally done 3d renderings of parts - some a little TOO nice for some enthusiast renderer.

This feels, emotionally, like last years run up to the 4S with all kinds of images about a supposed tapered design that when people didn't get it went out of their minds.

I'm cautious at this point. I believe the date is probably correct but it might be totally different than what we are seeing here.

OR, what we're seeing is not what it appears.
 
The long iPhone is a good looking device, bur much more evolutionary rather than revolutionary. I wouldn't be surprised to see a completely new iPhone than the one that has been on the news lately.

Before the premiere of the 4S, there has been cases for a teardrop shaped Apple device, which I believe was a decoy manufactured by Apple to stir the rumors.

This could be a similar situation. Maybe this long iPhone is a rumor-stirrer, too.

Edit: And this proves it: http://gizmodo.com/5930423/the-best-proof-yet-that-apples-next-iphone-will-look-entirely-different

Exciting. I hope we are in for a pleasant surprise.
 
Smaller dock connector

Has there been any indication that the new iPhone will be thunderbolt compatible? That could turn sync time into seconds instead of minutes.

If its good I'll end up getting a taktic case. Gorilla glass is sexy!
 
For the first time ever, I'm not excited about an iPhone launch. Perhaps because the leaked designs look like ****.
 
A bigger screen with IGZO panel is enough for me. Hell, the headphone jack on the bottom is worth the trouble. I'll be upgrading for sure.
 
No way. WHY DO PEOPLE THINK YOU NEED A HUGE SCREEN? Its a Phone!

But the phone part is one of the least important aspects of the device, it needs to be there and it needs to work, that's it. All that is required from the form factor for that is that the device is small enough to fit in a pocket, and small enough for one to hold it against one's ear with one hand comfortably.

The phone doesn't mean more than that in this context, for almost all other uses of the device a bigger screen would be preferable.
 
But the phone part is one of the least important aspects of the device, it needs to be there and it needs to work, that's it. All that is required from the form factor for that is that the device is small enough to fit in a pocket, and small enough for one to hold it against one's ear with one hand comfortably.

The phone doesn't mean more than that in this context, for almost all other uses of the device a bigger screen would be preferable.

seriously, no one buys an iPhone just to talk on the phone. They buy it for the camera, the apps, having the internet on the go, etc. If all you wanted to do was talk on the phone than buying and iPhone would be a huge waste of money.
 
But the phone part is one of the least important aspects of the device, it needs to be there and it needs to work, that's it. All that is required from the form factor for that is that the device is small enough to fit in a pocket, and small enough for one to hold it against one's ear with one hand comfortably.

The phone doesn't mean more than that in this context, for almost all other uses of the device a bigger screen would be preferable.

I agree that 4 inches would be fine. But people who a 4.8 inch screen (or larger) are the ones I'm responding too.
 
The thing is Apple knows at this point the main reason people buy an iPhone is because it is an iPhone. They could simply refresh the current iPhone 4S and add a couple new features and most people would go completely nuts over it. If that is the case then why spend mega bucks coming up with new designs or making major changes to the OS? There is no reason. They have the market and as long as the brand "iPhone" is hot they have nothing to worry about no matter what they do.
You speak the truth. And it saddens me.
 
But those glass strips - if they are glass, will not stop the two centre parts of the antennas touching across the back of the phone now that it's joined with that back plate will they? So you still have the short. The antennas are not just the short bits at the top and bottom you know, they go all the way around.
That's where you're wrong. The two antennae are the top part (between the two cuts) and the bottom part. The sides are merely structural. They are not antennae. On the 4 it was all antenna. On the 4S and apparently the new one, the antennae is only the top and bottom.
 
seriously, no one buys an iPhone just to talk on the phone. They buy it for the camera, the apps, having the internet on the go, etc. If all you wanted to do was talk on the phone than buying and iPhone would be a huge waste of money.

Sorry for leaving out "smart". I'd just assume we are all smart phone users so we can shorten it to phone.
 
Literally a .5 inch larger phone than you already have. Camera will be marginally better, 4G (nearly all androids already have this), and NFC (all androids have this). iOS 6 = looks the same as every iOS ever made with a few new features you will probably rarely use.

/pass.

Meh. I guess it all depends on how you look at it. In terms of hardware, nearly everything about it seems to be improved: 4G/LTE, possible NFC, more durable body, larger screen, better camera, more convenient headphone jack/FaceTime, smaller dock connector with thinner body. AKA everything is improved except the Home and volume buttons.

iOS 6 looks like a solid upgrade. Navigation has been a long time coming and looks like a completely useful feature that many people would use every day. The basic homescreen interface needs some major changes though. Throw in scrollable/sortable folders, third-party widgets in Notification Center, quick Settings, and Mission Control and I'd be a happy camper.

Of course, Apple hasn't announced a single thing.
 
I really like Tim Cook. The steadfastness of this September 12 rumor, and how far ahead we are of that date, really runs counter to his recent "doubling-down on secrecy" comment. I hope that he gets the last laugh and has engineered some misinformation and false iPhone parts leaks. I'd love to see invitations go out for an earlier event with a different looking phone, etc.

Another problem he has, outside of the loss-of-secrecy aspect, is that this this will decimate iPhone sales for the next six weeks. Every news outlet is reporting this rumored date. Anyone wanting a 4S will wait for the inevitable September 12 price drop, and anyone wanting the latest-and-greatest will obviously be content to wait a little longer.

I miss the days when Apple took some risks. The iPod Hi-Fi wasn't a success (although I enjoy mine), but I do miss those days of anything being on the table. Now it seems Apple's innovations are limited to refining - beautifully, of course - existing products and services. I'd enjoy seeing something come out of the blue still.

My two cents.

The typical user has not heard of this probable September 12th announcement, so their purchasing decisions have not been affected. Everyone who has heard about it already knew Apple was planning a new iPhone release in the fall.
 
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