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Doesn't seem a bit disturbing how hard jailbreakers are trying and trying to justify their actions,

Either Jailbreaking doesn't bother you or you were flinging your boogers around in 3rd grade English, instead of paying attention... I'm going to assume the latter, because you sound a bit perturbed.

...even going into heavy marketing spiels to try to force everybody else to join their choice?

marketing |ˈmärkiti ng | |ˈmɑrkədɪŋ| |ˈmɑːkɪtɪŋ|
noun
the action or business of promoting and selling products or services, including market research and advertising.

We'll although I'm not selling anything, I can offer you a guarantee that my iPhone is a much better phone than yours. Ha... much might be an understatement, but wait, hold on... I gotta throw Pandora into backgrounding, and pull up Mail with karike real quick, so I can download this pdf I was just sent.

anyway, what was I saying?
 
I'm amazed by the number of idiots posting jailbraking = piracy. They are as stupid as the RIAA saying torrents equal to piracy. And talking about missing revue... good luck finding that.

It may not equal piracy but circumventing locks is illegal according to the DMCA.

Which raises another question, isnt the DMCA an american law. Not world wide?
 
I have also jb'ed my iPhone but have never used any pirated softwares. I love openness and customization.

However, the fact is not the same in China, herewith some comments following the same news posted on the biggest Chinese iPhone forum WeiPhone:

http://news.weiphone.com/news/iphon...guozhongguodaobanlvquanqiujushou_207196.shtml

我朝威武~~!
好!
"Our nation rules. Great."

要是一个大作游戏五元人民币的话我会买 小游戏2元我也会买 可惜啊都太贵了
无奈
If a large scale game is selling at RMB5 (USD0.73), and a small game for RMB2 (USD0.29), i will buy it. But it's too expensive now.

把价格后面那个$改成人民币,我就买!实在是因为东西太多,太花钱了!
If they change the price tag from USD to RMB with the same numerical value, i will buy. There are so many apps there, it costs too much to buy.

我就是其中一个~~~!!!
I'm one of them~~!!!


废话 这是天朝的传统
********. This is the tradition of China.

这么贵,要是RMB1元我也买呀,无所谓,如果MP3也是1元一首歌能换来超好的音质,我也愿意买。那是美金
Too expensive. If this is RMB1 i will buy it too, never mind. If an MP3 song costs RMB1 with superb audio quality, I'm willing to buy. But it is USD.
 
If I had an iphone I wouldn't even consider not jailbreaking it...

I couldn't care less what apple want the device to do. It seems to me to be quite a nifty device, massively limited by it's app store and strange software design decisions.

Why apple can't leave users to decide how they want to use hardware like this is beyond me. Most people I know have bought the phone for some pretty silly reasons and certainly (probably?) wouldn't be worried about what they can't do with it. For people that post on tech forums, I can't understand why there would be a single person that isn't pushing for a more open platform that does what you want it to do... It's a small computer that fits in your pocket, heavily hyped, praised and marketed for being innovative (apparantly?), yet still can't do many things that other similar devices have been doing for years and years.
And what the hell does piracy have to do with it? (feel free to state the blindingly obvious if it makes you feel better, I'm not going to tell you how stupid you are)
 
The iPhone is the ONLY smartphone platform on the market that doesn't allow multitasking on 3rd party apps. It's a ridiculous limitation at least on the 3GS since Backgrounder runs absolutely flawlessly. If my iPhone wasn't jailbroken (with zero loss of stability noted btw) I'd certainly be looking at Android right now...though they're still a Snapdragon/Tegra processor away from the ideal model.

I guess having my 3G stolen turned out a blessing in disguise - I'll just have to cross fingers I can hold onto my 3GS till the 4G comes. :(
 
It may not equal piracy but circumventing locks is illegal according to the DMCA.

Which raises another question, isnt the DMCA an american law. Not world wide?

Correct, its just a US law, but you will find, as per normal, US law seems to extend beyond its borders.
 
Its a great phone and people who got one paid a lot for it. I have no sympathy for Apple when it comes to Jailbreaking, they decided to lock the damn phones to one carrier, I am not about to buy another iphone because i move to another country. This exclusivity is as retarded as region coding of DVDs.

Those people who have not jail-broken their phones and tried some really good apps that apple have rejected, your loss.
 
I'm amazed by the number of idiots posting jailbraking = piracy. They are as stupid as the RIAA saying torrents equal to piracy. And talking about missing revue... good luck finding that.

Has anyone said that?

I think the point is jailbreaking enables piracy. If there were a jailbreaking solution which didn't (perhaps there is - I don't know?) I'd be all in favour of it.
 
Has anyone said that?

I think the point is jailbreaking enables piracy. If there were a jailbreaking solution which didn't (perhaps there is - I don't know?) I'd be all in favour of it.

Maybe look at apps themselves? Instead of trying to lock down the phone itself, make it so apps cannot run on a Jailbroken phone.

Its interesting that people are jumping up and down on app piracy while most users pirate actual music that is used on iphones/ipods.
 
wow...I jailbreak and I don't pirate apps...but I still must be a bad person from this blanket statement

Has anyone said that?

I think the point is jailbreaking enables piracy. If there were a jailbreaking solution which didn't (perhaps there is - I don't know?) I'd be all in favour of it.

I've said it. If running a Hackintosh with a store bought copy of Leopard is piracy, then so is jailbreaking. If Jailbreaking isn't piracy, then neither is running a Hackintosh with a store bought copy of Leopard.

Really, it comes down to whether all forms of copyright infringement are piracy. The arguments that Hackintoshing is piracy work by following the logic of relatively recent copyright case law which leads to the conclusion that Hackintoshing is copyright infringement. Then, it's asserted that copyright infringement is piracy. If the sort of copyright infringement involved in the installation of a store bought copy of Leopard onto a PC is piracy, then the sort of copyright infringement involved in jailbreaking is piracy.
 
Has anyone said that?

I think the point is jailbreaking enables piracy. If there were a jailbreaking solution which didn't (perhaps there is - I don't know?) I'd be all in favour of it.

Apple could EASILY solve the masses of jail breaking by allowing the things must people are jail breaking for not related to piracy.

Those things are Multitasking, customizitino to the home screeen, allowing to install apps from places other than the App store. App store can be the "safe place" for users to get apps. In safe I mean they ahve been check out not to cause problems but this gives people the option to get apps straight from the Devs or apps apple rejects like GV.
 
It's funny how many posters in this forum did cheer SJ letter to music industry to remove DRM from music files, after all DRM was one of the music industry move to limit piracy. But crippling the music files has proved to be a failure while adding to the image of the music industry being greedy. So why so many posters are cheering Apple for keeping crippling the iPhone as a move to limit piracy? I guess now that it's about your pocket, and I believe that many posters here are app developers, sound different, doesn't it? While in no way I'm suggesting that piracy is OK, I see this as a major FAIL.

Instead, app developers, please concentrate on the quality of your apps and pressure Apple to create a way to allow trial of apps, and if your app is good you'll see sale increase. But what is going to happen to the other 95%?
 
Maybe look at apps themselves? Instead of trying to lock down the phone itself, make it so apps cannot run on a Jailbroken phone.

There is technology to restrict which phones the apps will run on; but it has been cracked. I doubt if there is an uncrackable-method of app DRM (or at least, there isn't any which wouldn't also be a pain even for the legitimate buyer).

Apple could EASILY solve the masses of jail breaking by allowing the things must people are jail breaking for not related to piracy.

Those things are Multitasking, customizitino to the home screeen, allowing to install apps from places other than the App store. App store can be the "safe place" for users to get apps. In safe I mean they ahve been check out not to cause problems but this gives people the option to get apps straight from the Devs or apps apple rejects like GV.

That would be very nice, but unless Apple included every single feature that everyone wanted, some people would still jailbreak. I don't think many companies would let the customer base have complete control over the feature set like that. That might change in time, as we stop viewing platforms like the iPhone as a "phone" and more as a complex mobile computing platform.

It's funny how many posters in this forum did cheer SJ letter to music industry to remove DRM from music files, after all DRM was one of the music industry move to limit piracy. But crippling the music files has proved to be a failure while adding to the image of the music industry being greedy. So why so many posters are cheering Apple for keeping crippling the iPhone as a move to limit piracy? I guess now that it's about your pocket, and I believe that many posters here are app developers, sound different, doesn't it? While in no way I'm suggesting that piracy is OK, I see this as a major FAIL.

Instead, app developers, please concentrate on the quality of your apps and pressure Apple to create a way to allow trial of apps, and if your app is good you'll see sale increase. But what is going to happen to the other 95%?

As I mentioned in a previous post, music files and games are different, which is why music DRM failed so badly yet app DRM might not.

It's extremely difficult to make a DRM system for music that lets people play their music on their mp3 player, home sound system, car stereo, console, and media extender. People expect to be able to play their music anywhere on any device. Also, people will listen to their music for years after buying it, the DRM system has to still be supported for decades.

It's much easier to make a workable DRM system for apps (games in particular). Apps aren't portable anyway, no one expects iPhone apps to work on a PC, or PS3 games to work on a Mac. So the DRM system needs only be supported on one platform. In addition, games in particular tend only to be played for a short period, certainly not decades, so there's less need to have a DRM system which is supported for that long.
 
Doesn't seem a bit disturbing how hard jailbreakers are trying and trying to justify their actions, even going into heavy marketing spiels to try to force everybody else to join their choice?

It's as if this jailbreaking was some sort of... brain virus... maybe controlled by a massing botnet trying to take over the iphone owner world. This posters brain has been taken over by his cracked and insecure device (his "Boss[\B]). Who know who or what controls him now??!! How many will get sucked into this growing BORG cube?

Hopefully Apple's improved iPhone security isn't too late to save humanity!


And you sir are the reason Apple can charge us double or triple from what the competition charges, and then get away with completely locking down a platform. Apple Fanboys pew pew :(

+1 for jailbreaking!
 
Has anyone said that?

I think the point is jailbreaking enables piracy. If there were a jailbreaking solution which didn't (perhaps there is - I don't know?) I'd be all in favour of it.

Transmission.app does too, but lots of gamers use it responsibly.
 
It's funny how many posters in this forum did cheer SJ letter to music industry to remove DRM from music files, after all DRM was one of the music industry move to limit piracy. But crippling the music files has proved to be a failure while adding to the image of the music industry being greedy. So why so many posters are cheering Apple for keeping crippling the iPhone as a move to limit piracy? I guess now that it's about your pocket, and I believe that many posters here are app developers, sound different, doesn't it? While in no way I'm suggesting that piracy is OK, I see this as a major FAIL.

Instead, app developers, please concentrate on the quality of your apps and pressure Apple to create a way to allow trial of apps, and if your app is good you'll see sale increase. But what is going to happen to the other 95%?

Welcome to the world of Apple Fanboys. Far to many apple users are think and treat everything SJ says as the word of God. It more like the church of Apple with many of its members to stupid to think for themselves. If you want to back in time dig up post from the switch from PPC to intel. days before the announcement they people were bashing intel left and right calling it crap. Day after they though it was the greatest thing ever and started bashing PPC. You DRM is yet another example.

Like I said Apple could solve most of the jail breaking problems by giving people 3 things.
 
Correct, its just a US law, but you will find, as per normal, US law seems to extend beyond its borders.

Yea, and in my opinion that sucks. But it might be cause of WTO that there are similar rules, and "protective" (?!) laws in most countries around the globe.

Russia could be a save heaven, since no one let them join that club :D
 
Jailbreaking is a security hole and Apple just shut it down. Serves the jailbreakers right, not to talk less of all the pirated apps they are using. Good job Apple for shutting down security holes.
 
And you sir are the reason Apple can charge us double or triple from what the competition charges, and then get away with completely locking down a platform. Apple Fanboys pew pew :(

+1 for jailbreaking!

Yes the iphone and ipod touch are double what triple what the competition is charging. :rolleyes:
 
Transmission.app does too, but lots of gamers use it responsibly.

Teeeeechnically true. :) But then you could say a web browser enables piracy too since you can download pirated apps with that too. Even if Transmission didn't exist, people could still distribute pirated apps via the web, ftp, email, snail-mail..

Without some kind of jailbreaking, there's no iPhone app piracy. Hence jailbreaking enables piracy a bit more directly than those other apps (even if it is very useful for reasons nothing to do with piracy).
 
I think the point is jailbreaking enables piracy. If there were a jailbreaking solution which didn't (perhaps there is - I don't know?) I'd be all in favour of it.

It can be seen the other way around: I think the point is blocking piracy cripples the iPhone. This is only Apple doing, if they open up the platform than jailbreak will disappear. Piracy may not, but then it will be clear that jailbreaking and pirating are two unrelated issues.
 
It can be seen the other way around: I think the point is blocking piracy cripples the iPhone. This is only Apple doing, if they open up the platform than jailbreak will disappear. Piracy may not, but then it will be clear that jailbreaking and pirating are two unrelated issues.

I think "cripples" is a bit dramatic - you can still call, txt, send MMS, email, browse the web, buy & play music, buy & use thousands of apps, watch videos, view maps & use GPS etc. etc. A crippled iPhone is still far better than any previous phone I used. ;)

But I do get what you're saying - jailbreaking (for customising/adding functionality) could be distinct from piracy. Apple has always liked to exert a LOT of control over the products it sells (the original Mac was seen as an appliance with all the apps you'd need); and the iPhone is no different. Perhaps, we'll see that change over time, but Apple has never really been an industry leader in giving end-users expansion/customisation options.

It may change over time as the iPhone evolves; but not much, I reckon.
 
I think "cripples" is a bit dramatic - you can still call, txt, send MMS, email, browse the web, buy & play music, buy & use thousands of apps, watch videos, view maps & use GPS etc. etc. A crippled iPhone is still far better than any previous phone I used. ;)

Yes I know, I love my iPhone. Beethoven created very successful–and for some also beautiful–music being deaf; nonetheless, he was unable to hear. I'm not against Apple to create a solution that stops–or more realistically limits– piracy, but I don't see keeping the platform close being in the right creative direction.
 
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