As Steve Gibson says "A crash is a security vulnerability". If the 'crash' is in the BootROM, then that's an even more dangerous vulnerability as it exists below the operating system.
Fixing this is only a good thing.
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Apple Modifies Boot ROM on Revised iPhone 3GS Models to Hinder Jailbreaking
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As Steve Gibson says "A crash is a security vulnerability". If the 'crash' is in the BootROM, then that's an even more dangerous vulnerability as it exists below the operating system.
Fixing this is only a good thing.
A pirate looks at 40
Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
The cannons dont thunder, theres nothin to plunder
Im an over-forty victim of fate
Arriving too late, arriving too late
Ive done a bit of smugglin, Ive run my share of grass
I made enough money to buy miami, but I pissed it away so fast
Never meant to last, never meant to last
jimmy buffett 74
Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
The cannons dont thunder, theres nothin to plunder
Im an over-forty victim of fate
Arriving too late, arriving too late
Ive done a bit of smugglin, Ive run my share of grass
I made enough money to buy miami, but I pissed it away so fast
Never meant to last, never meant to last
jimmy buffett 74
And to put an even bigger nail on this one, if you remember the krillr hack to enable MMS on your iPhone? it involves swapping the sim cards in your phones. None of this involved having a jailbroken iPhone. I enabled that, swapping my iPhone sim with my GF's sim from her Razr. It just worked.
BL.
Stupid or not, the iPhone's security weakness was one of the major reasons why millions of enterprise customers still purchased blackberries instead of iPhones. Apple wants that money instead, even if it's from "stupid" (but rich) business customers.
Anything which stops/hinders app piracy is ok in my book.
me neither, but this also blocks installing non-apple app store approved apps which is annoying. I don't want to pirate either, but apple censors programs, and dictates what is available for it.
so, i just want them to open up the iphone to whoever and whatever people want. as long as it isn't pirated.
Well jailbreaking my iPhone has caused me nothing but trouble, reboots galore, apps crashing, battery draining fast, so I don't bother anymore. I now have a nice stable experience. So, I don't feel that stupid.
Well, most Firefox crashes are caused by plugins and extensions. Firefox playing badly and hogging tons or RAM and Virtual Memory is usually also down to third-party extensions.
Not that I don't use them myself, but it's still the main cause of problems with Firefox, and that is a FACT!!
Not sure what your point is there?
That and it was the best console available at the time, end of story.
As with my previous post, a crash/exploit like this is a security vulnerability plain and simple. The fact the vulnerability exists below the operating system of the device makes it an even more important vulnerability to get fixed. The fact it prevents jailbreaking is irrelevant.
The iPhone was popular before Jailbreaking.
What the hell are you on about iTunes and Safari "blocking people from being able to develop"?
And as for innovation, Apple has contributed more than any other browser developers to the HTML5 and CSS3 standards, and has been first to implement many of the newer HTML5 and CSS3 standards.
The performance gains being made and the advances in web technology using just standards is some of, if not the best, working being done. Yes there may be an ulterior motive, but the fact remains Apple is innovating like crazy and empowering users to use open standards and break free from the likes of Adobe and their search-engine unfriendly technologies.
Also with the Eolas patent problem (which should really be a non-issue in my opinion) on the horizon, Apple's plugin-less methods for rich content and animation and even 3D. The web may well benefit from having its hand forced. Granted Apple didn't come up with some of the technology, but they are most definitely one of the big players behind it all.
However, like with all Apple products, the iPhone will hold it's value way longer than a similarly aged and originally priced non-Apple product. eBay is all the proof you need of this.
I always admired the whole spirit of jailbreaking in the same way that I am a big fan of the open source movement. Piracy has unfortunately ruined the image that I had of the jailbreaking scene and now fully understand why Apple is making a larger push to prevent people jailbreaking their phones.
I think you're over-analyzing things. Remember that to have your phone unlocked it must be jailbroken first.
I work in the retail phone industry and almost every unlocked iPhone users I see has no idea what Cydia, Installer or Icy is for or what they do. They're not concerned. They simply have their phone jailbroken so that it can be used with an unauthorized Sim Card.
I don't think Apple want to lose their control. Nothing being done really threatens Apple that much.
Conjecture as to it being REAL competition. Android was supposed to really challenge the earlier iPhones, but hasn't really done so yet.
We saw how that worked for Windows Mobile with arguably an even bigger industry pushing hard behind it.
That works in the iPhone's favour.
Don't see how that's a bad thing for the iPhone?
Apple fixes lack of security in newer phones (kills jailbreaking) and gets slammed for that too. They can't win can they? But improving security is a plus for Apple.
I doubt they liked it that much, otherwise they wouldn't have shut the door would they?
Conjecture as to it being REAL competition. Android was supposed to really challenge the earlier iPhones, but hasn't really done so yet.
We saw how that worked for Windows Mobile with arguably an even bigger industry pushing hard behind it.
That works in the iPhone's favour.
Don't see how that's a bad thing for the iPhone?
Apple fixes lack of security in newer phones (kills jailbreaking) and gets slammed for that too. They can't win can they? But improving security is a plus for Apple.
I doubt they liked it that much, otherwise they wouldn't have shut the door would they?
If you do have your phone jailbroken, you can stop PinchMedia (or other companies) spying on you. Which lets face it, is what they are doing. Wether you jailbreak or not is up to you surely - many people do it to get apps and features on their phone that are not officially sanctioned by apple, and some people also do it for the piracy, but I think it would be unfair to tar everyone who jailbreak's with the piracy brush. Anyway, check out
http://i-phone-home.blogspot.com/
for advice on how to stop PinchMedia et al getting your info to start with.
http://i-phone-home.blogspot.com/
for advice on how to stop PinchMedia et al getting your info to start with.
EULA and SLAs mean absolutely nothing. Contracts are only valid when paying for a service.
With the iPhone, iPod, software, movies, videogames, etc. I am buying a product. Not a service. A Product. That means as soon as money changes hands it is MINE. I can do whatever I want with it. As long as I am not distributing copies of it or claiming I made it (that is ALL copyright law covers), or using it to harm someone, I am not doing anything wrong.
As soon as Apple has my cash for an iPhone, that iPhone is MINE. If I want to jailbreak it, install another OS on it, run over it with my car, throw it at the wall because AT&T sucks, or use it on T-Mobile, I can. That iPhone is mine. What I can't do is remove their logos and say I built it, nor can I directly copy it and sell it as my own creation.
Even the DMCA says I can unlock my iPhone if I choose.
I rooted my g1 and that lets me do neat things with it, like install custom ROMs and things like that. Am I a bad person for wanting to customize my phone?
Not at all. This is all about control. Apple is the biggest control freak in the known universe. They can't seem to accept the FACT that when money changes hands the buyer OWNS that product and can do whatever they want with it.
Not at all. But if your brand of phone would that allows you to customize it for yourself also allows you to potentially "customize" my phone with your trojans, rootkits, botnets and keyloggers, then a lot of customers would not be interested in that brand of phone.
Nothing says they have to make it easy. In fact, manufacturers are required by federal law to make some things a bit difficult (changing your cell phone radio into a jammer, for instance. The feds have arrested people with modified radios jamming or impersonating aviation or public safety communications, for instance.)
Hundreds of years of contract law would beg to differ.
You could sign a contract restricting you from doing anything but look at your iphone if it was supported by valid consideration and a court didn't decide the provision was unconscionable or contrary to public policy.
I don't think I could tolerate this ludicrous amount of "iControlYou."
My brother is ditching his iPhone this Friday and going with some other smart phone. He's receiving only like 75% of all his incoming calls, the rest don't get through and his callers just leave a voice mail. Fail, Fail, FAIL.
With this type of post, you just proved who you are? That's why Apple is doing this.
Well thats different. With a radio jammer you're actually affecting other people.
Those hundreds of years of contract laws were built around services. Not products that were only possible within the last few decades.
Like I said, when I go into a store and I buy a blu-ray disc, a game, a DVD, a piece of software, or an iPhone, and I pay for it, that product is MINE. I can do whatever I want to it as long as I don't copy it and sell it as something I created, make copies of it and distribute it to everyone and their brother, or use it in a manner that would negatively affect another human being.
If I want to customize my iPhone to my hearts content, install another OS on it, use it on another carrier, or take a hammer to it, that is my business and Apple is in no place to tell me I can't.
EULAs are invalid contracts anyway. Why? Because I have no way to accept or reject the contract until after the purchase has been made. If I make the purchase, read the EULA and decide I don't like it, I can't return the software for a refund. There isn't a store I can think of that will accept opened software for return, not even Apple.
Better yet, wheres the EULA agreement with the iPhone? I just went through all the boxes for all five of my iPods, my iPhone, and my MacBook. Guess how many printed EULAs there were? One. In the MacBook box. The rest made no mention of EULAs.
Even if the iPhone and iPods did ship with EULAs, you can't get to them until after the seals have been broken and the box completely open and torn apart. So if you get to it and read it and disagree with it, you have to return it and pay a hefty restocking fee at most stores, including Apple (which tends to have the highest restocking fee of all).
If Apple wants their EULA to actually be an enforceable contract, then it needs to be presented prior to purchase and it needs to be in plain English as well as negotiable. On top of that, for those who have already purchased a product, Apple needs to have completely negotiable contracts for updates or to abide by the original terms. None of this "by using this you agree.." nonsense.
Also, if Apple wants said contract to be signed and enforceable, they need to include clauses that hold themselves accountable. For example, some sort of guarantee their product won't cause any sort of harm, like data loss.
If people actually felt EULAs meant something, theres no way they would agree to something that basically says "you can't do this this or this, you can't hold us accountable for anything, even if it causes you to lose all of your data, and if you agree to that then you can use this product".
And who did he prove he was? I have a "clean" iPhone and I experience massive amounts of dropped calls, signal loss, voicemails not showing up for days, texts not showing up for days.. AT&T is just simply the worst service provider in the US.
personally, id rather have some cheapskate broke person still use my program and me not getting any money for it, than to have him never use it because hes broke. "piracy" is a funny subject for me... its about greed.
Now, I know people wanna rolleyes at me right now, but trust me guys, I'm a starving artist too. I know what its like to have people take your WORK and not get anything in return, its happening to me prolly at least a hundred times just today... I'm going BROKE doing it and it sorta sucks, but really thats me being greedy...
you do the things you love in life, don't do it for money, do it because u like doing it. and if you cant make ends meet and are discouraged from things like this, move onto the next field.
when it comes to piracy... you can't stop the bum rush... oh you can slow it down, for a day or two (which is neccissary and healthy at times), but then they will find other ways to pirate.
and on this note about the jailbreak, I'm sad cuz I'm about to buy a 3GS and wish I was able to jailbreak, not neccissarily for free apps (cuz I can pay for something I really like), but for the accessability and arrangements.
Now, I know people wanna rolleyes at me right now, but trust me guys, I'm a starving artist too. I know what its like to have people take your WORK and not get anything in return, its happening to me prolly at least a hundred times just today... I'm going BROKE doing it and it sorta sucks, but really thats me being greedy...
you do the things you love in life, don't do it for money, do it because u like doing it. and if you cant make ends meet and are discouraged from things like this, move onto the next field.
when it comes to piracy... you can't stop the bum rush... oh you can slow it down, for a day or two (which is neccissary and healthy at times), but then they will find other ways to pirate.
and on this note about the jailbreak, I'm sad cuz I'm about to buy a 3GS and wish I was able to jailbreak, not neccissarily for free apps (cuz I can pay for something I really like), but for the accessability and arrangements.
Down with Jailbreaking!
I'm sick of people whining about their battery life because they jailbroke and installed a crapload of themes and other modifications. And then they complain about how ugly it looks. And how slow it boots. It's endless at my school.
While jailbreaking has its advantages, for most non-geek people, it can potentially cause them a lot of trouble. They might not follow one instruction correctly or do something wrong and not know how to undo it. They might brick their iPhones per se. For geeks we know how to undo what we did.
I'm sick of people whining about their battery life because they jailbroke and installed a crapload of themes and other modifications. And then they complain about how ugly it looks. And how slow it boots. It's endless at my school.
While jailbreaking has its advantages, for most non-geek people, it can potentially cause them a lot of trouble. They might not follow one instruction correctly or do something wrong and not know how to undo it. They might brick their iPhones per se. For geeks we know how to undo what we did.
It is actually not like that.
If you go and buy an iPhone, it is yours, as all of the other stuff you mentioned as example. But the software running on the phone is not yours, you just have the right to use it within the terms of the EULA.
If it would be truly yours, you could copy redistribute it without limitations.
Just because you bought a DVD does not give you the right to create artwork based on the content of the disk.
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my 5cents about Apples limitations:
I fully legally bought my iPhone unlocked and without contract. But it was more than 199$
Also I have to pay per megabyte of traffic.
So i have more a problem that customers like me are still getting the same limitations than ATT customers. Things like VoIP etc. should be done on a per provider basis like tethering for example.
And why lock the phones? Providers have a contract anyway, and usually there is a penalty when leaving the contract earlier.
If and where the iPhone is then actually used should be users choice.
apple sell the iphone as it sell the macbook pro
hardware+software
every jailbreaker that coming where to complain that apple should let run 3 party software in the iphone, is so stupid as the idea itself , that will never happen.
if jailbreakers doesn´t like the way iphone is built or run .dont buy it , just move along to android or mobile 6.5.
i prefer that my iphone with some of restricions, that is much safer , and runs with less problems, i like it take way
if you bought your iphone and want to jailbreak ,fine ,but dont criticize the way apple is running their business.
like someone said in previous post if you cannot afford $0.99 or $2 in some app , you shouldn´t buy a iphone in first place.
hardware+software
every jailbreaker that coming where to complain that apple should let run 3 party software in the iphone, is so stupid as the idea itself , that will never happen.
if jailbreakers doesn´t like the way iphone is built or run .dont buy it , just move along to android or mobile 6.5.
i prefer that my iphone with some of restricions, that is much safer , and runs with less problems, i like it take way
if you bought your iphone and want to jailbreak ,fine ,but dont criticize the way apple is running their business.
like someone said in previous post if you cannot afford $0.99 or $2 in some app , you shouldn´t buy a iphone in first place.
Yes, it is like that. The last two items you mentioned above (copying iPhone software and DVDs) are protected implicitly under copyright law, and the poster acknowledged that. Those things have nothing to do with the EULA.