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ZEEN0j

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It’s really badly integrated, which is just confusing. It’s lile they just slapped in Apple Music support without actually adapting the app at all.

You can’t view Recently Added, which is where most people go to select the music they want to hear. Also if you’re looking through Album virw and you click an album, it’ll immediately play the first track on the album rather than showing you the songs in that album - how is that logical? There’s also absolutely no iCloud Music Library settings for Apple Watch to be seen anywhere.

I’m also getting very spotty success with even playing music. Some very weird issues with track skipping and stuttering going on.

What is it with Apple these days and rushing out features before they’re polished or even well supported?

What I don’t understand is that they had a fully working app before. What happened?
 

Duncan-UK

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Sep 17, 2006
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To stream from Apple Music just ask Siri to play something, there's no browsing/searching UI, you can still sync playlists and those are the only ones you can scroll through. It plays in the Music app, Radio app is just for radio.

Why should we have to resort to using the cringingly embarrassing Siri. If I’m on a train or in public no way am I speaking to my watch. It’s ridiculous.
 

576316

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May 19, 2011
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What I don’t understand is that they had a fully working app before. What happened?

What's more concerning is that I keep seeing TV adverts for Apple Watch LTE + Apple Music, yet this feature hasn't even been available until yesterday and even then service is spotty. This is really unlike Apple, although maybe it's exactly like them considering the past few years.
 

Brookzy

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May 30, 2010
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Been testing this extensively since as soon as the update came out last night, so much so that I've already used 350MB of data on streaming!

Really impressed with both the Music and Radio apps.

Quality is great, and I'm surprised at how quickly tracks start playing - no buffering.
 

iThink Apple

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Aug 27, 2011
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I guess I need to understand how Apple Music works without your phone on iOS 4.1
 

madeirabhoy

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Oct 26, 2012
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I'm not seeing a 4.1 update on my S3?

is it out everywhere?

do I need to remove the beta profile?
 

Bazooka-joe

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Mar 12, 2012
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Yeah Apple Music is disappointing on the watch. The opportunity to browse music just isn't there.
I have streaming from iCloud and the Radio working well. I take it that some music is hard installed on the watch, it will use that rather than streaming from iCloud
 

porkrind

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Jun 30, 2015
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One thing I haven't been able to find – is there a way to just limit selection to what I've already transferred to my watch? Or at least show me what part of my library is locally stored?

The titles you see when you browse Music on your watch are all downloaded. If you stick to that, you won't be streaming from Apple Music. If you start asking Siri to play things for you, you'll get it from the downloaded music if possible and streaming if not, with no distinction.
 

PatrickNSF

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Jan 24, 2011
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The titles you see when you browse Music on your watch are all downloaded. If you stick to that, you won't be streaming from Apple Music. If you start asking Siri to play things for you, you'll get it from the downloaded music if possible and streaming if not, with no distinction.
That's not what I'm seeing. I see the titles for my entire library, even though I've only transferred one album to my AW.

What I'd like to see is something that tells me if a song is local to the AW or not so I can decide whether or not I want to stream it over LTE while out on a run.
 

madeirabhoy

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That's not what I'm seeing. I see the titles for my entire library, even though I've only transferred one album to my AW.

What I'd like to see is something that tells me if a song is local to the AW or not so I can decide whether or not I want to stream it over LTE while out on a run.

as far as i can figure out the covers you can scroll through are your local music, as before, but when you click on library its showing you everything.



its not working for me though. i have beatsx for my music. i have 10 albums on my watch that play fine through my headphones. i have iTunes match. this plays fine from my phone.

my watch can see all the song titles but when i click on them it looks like its going to play but nothing happens.
 

porkrind

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Jun 30, 2015
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as far as i can figure out the covers you can scroll through are your local music, as before, but when you click on library its showing you everything.



its not working for me though. i have beatsx for my music. i have 10 albums on my watch that play fine through my headphones. i have iTunes match. this plays fine from my phone.

my watch can see all the song titles but when i click on them it looks like its going to play but nothing happens.
Yeah, you're right. Either something changed in the progression to 4.1 then 4.2b, or I just coincidentally had the exact same music on my iPhone and synced to my Watch. I keep very little music on my phone and stream just about everything.
 

anticipate

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as far as i can figure out the covers you can scroll through are your local music, as before, but when you click on library its showing you everything.

This is correct. By default it shows just what you have synced to the watch (downloaded). If you scroll to "library" and press, you see and browse through your entire personal icloud music library - albums, songs, playlists, etc. Anything not downloaded/synced to the watch explicitly in the Watch app on the iPhone, will stream.

You can't however browse ALL of apple music (the whole 40 million songs) that way, unlike on the phone. Only Siri (and synced playlists) works for for playing anything in Apple Music not in your library; there's no UI on the screen.
 
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PatrickNSF

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Jan 24, 2011
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as far as i can figure out the covers you can scroll through are your local music, as before, but when you click on library its showing you everything.
Great catch. That definitely works for me. When I'm out on a long run and concerned with the LTE battery drain I'll just scroll through the album art and select something stored locally. On a shorter run, I can probably just stream through the library.

Thanks!
 
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Bazooka-joe

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Spent a few hours testing the Radio and iCloud music and i have to say that it is impressive. Sound quality is very good. Over wifi and LTE changing stations and albums is very fast. Its just the search limitations with Apple Music that is disappointing
 

madeirabhoy

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none of this is working for me, really frustrating. radio app gives an error telling me to open the watch app on the phone and sign in, (i am) and music app plays local music fine, sees the names of streamed iTunes match stuff but it doesnt play.


at the minute none of the 4.1 improvements are doing anything for me.
 

menace3

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Aug 13, 2008
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Spent a few hours testing the Radio and iCloud music and i have to say that it is impressive. Sound quality is very good. Over wifi and LTE changing stations and albums is very fast. Its just the search limitations with Apple Music that is disappointing

Agreed on your points. I hit Siri and said Play Janet Jackson Velvet Rope CD and it started streaming. I do not have that album in my library and I was impressed with that Apple Music experience. I also said play Ozzy Osbourne, and it created a station. So far so good for me
 

576316

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May 19, 2011
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Quality is great, and I'm surprised at how quickly tracks start playing - no buffering.

This has not been my experience. I’m getting buffering of at least 4-5 seconds for every song. It’s instant on my iPhone. I’ll have to see if it improves. Definitely not an internet speed thing.
 

tcellguy

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Sep 20, 2017
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Did they bring back the ability to control your entire music collection?
Nope

I have an S3 and Apple Music. My entire iCloud music library is searchable on the watch now and it’s very fast. However there is no option to choose the iPhone as source or use the watch as a remote for the phone. The music app only can communicate with headphones paired to the watch.

I think that using the watch a remote for the phone is not coming back anytime soon.

Perhaps in Apple’s new idea of the ecosystem you have W1 headphones and can switch between the watch and iPhone if needed (Incidentally, this never works for me and I always have to manually pair/pair Bluetooth).
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The titles you see when you browse Music on your watch are all downloaded. If you stick to that, you won't be streaming from Apple Music. If you start asking Siri to play things for you, you'll get it from the downloaded music if possible and streaming if not, with no distinction.

I can browse my entire iCloud music library on the S3, only a tiny portion of which is actually synced to my watch natively. There are little cloud icons next to the songs that have not been downloaded but are available to stream.
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What I don’t understand is that they had a fully working app before. What happened?

No idea. Must be related to sales. I have an S1 still on OS 3 and it is so nice to be able to see recently added music and browse music from the phone. I guess for Apple, using the phone to send music to Bluetooth headphones while using the watch as a remote doesn’t fit into their business model for the watch.
 
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bradbomb

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Jan 7, 2002
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So I don’t have Apple Music, but I do subscribe to iTunes Match. I mainly use it so that my library on my Mac Mini is available on my MacBook Pro without taking up space. For my iPad Pro and iPhone 7 Plus, I still sync certain music on here as my full library is a complete mess still and I will never take the time to clean it up from years of ripping cds back before iTunes even existed.

Is the reason I don’t see my other music available as streaming on my Watch (including asking Siri to play something I know isn’t on the watch and it not working) because I don’t have iCloud Music Library turned on in my settings on my phone? There isn’t a setting to turn it on for the watch only and I don’t want to wipe the music already stored on the phone and then have to resync to see if that is the issue
 
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