Apple Music 4.1

[Bazooka-joe]

So I don’t have Apple Music, but I do subscribe to iTunes Match. I mainly use it so that my library on my Mac Mini is available on my MacBook Pro without taking up space. For my iPad Pro and iPhone 7 Plus, I still sync certain music on here as my full library is a complete mess still and I will never take the time to clean it up from years of ripping cds back before iTunes even existed.

Is the reason I don’t see my other music available as streaming on my Watch (including asking Siri to play something I know isn’t on the watch and it not working) because I don’t have iCloud Music Library turned on in my settings on my phone? There isn’t a setting to turn it on for the watch only and I don’t want to wipe the music already stored on the phone and then have to resync to see if that is the issue

I got caught out on that to start with as I couldn’t see my music in the cloud so I gave Apple a call. You have to enable iCloud music on your phone and then you are good to go on your watch Your local music that you hard copied to your watch will remain on the watch and when you launch the music app you will see your local installs first. If you click on library then you will see your iCloud music

 

[ZEEN0j]

Nope

I have an S3 and Apple Music. My entire iCloud music library is searchable on the watch now and it’s very fast. However there is no option to choose the iPhone as source or use the watch as a remote for the phone. The music app only can communicate with headphones paired to the watch.

I think that using the watch a remote for the phone is not coming back anytime soon.

Perhaps in Apple’s new idea of the ecosystem you have W1 headphones and can switch between the watch and iPhone if needed (Incidentally, this never works for me and I always have to manually pair/pair Bluetooth).
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I can browse my entire iCloud music library on the S3, only a tiny portion of which is actually synced to my watch natively. There are little cloud icons next to the songs that have not been downloaded but are available to stream.
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No idea. Must be related to sales. I have an S1 still on OS 3 and it is so nice to be able to see recently added music and browse music from the phone. I guess for Apple, using the phone to send music to Bluetooth headphones while using the watch as a remote doesn’t fit into their business model for the watch.

I’ve gone back to Spotify anyway. But was considering testing Apple Music again. One of the advantages over Spotify for me was the watch app. Apple has now lost that advantage so only thing I don’t have is Siri. Which during my three months didn’t really use that much anyway. Swedish Siri has issues with English names.

The new auto now playing screen on the watch has made Spotify more useful for me. So thank you Apple for that. And the rumors of a Watch app for Spotify (long overdue) is making my decision ever easier.

 

[matrix07]

You need to use Siri. It just wouldnt be practicle to let you search and browse all 40,000,000 songs in apple music.

Another way to view specifics is to add them to your library. Then they will show up in your watch.

I take this as "there's no For You section on the watch"?

What about Favourite Mix, New Music Mix and our Chill Mix?

 

[NavySEAL6]

Really bummed about the old remote functionality disappearing.

Now, let’s say you have an album local on your iPhone but not on your watch, and you select the album and start listening from your watch. Since Apple Watch is connected to iPhone, do you stream the local copy? Or is it streaming it via data via iPhone, even though those files are local?

Maybe the functionality is blended now?

 

[musicpenguy]

Took it for a test run today and was very impressed! The radio app has a lot more stations than I originally thought, the Workout Rock station was great to run to, and it looks like there are quite a bit of different stations to help you discover music on the watch by picking out a genre.

Songs quickly played one after another, no long buffer time at all even at the start! At the end of my run I used Siri to play 2 different songs and it found and started playing really quickly. The battery was only 4 percent more of a hit than my normal playing tracks locally way of doing it. For a 30 minute run I’m normally at 90 percent, this time I ended at 86%.

Very impressed with the performance and experience of this latest update. LTE is rather wonderful.

 

[madeirabhoy]

So I don’t have Apple Music, but I do subscribe to iTunes Match. I mainly use it so that my library on my Mac Mini is available on my MacBook Pro without taking up space. For my iPad Pro and iPhone 7 Plus, I still sync certain music on here as my full library is a complete mess still and I will never take the time to clean it up from years of ripping cds back before iTunes even existed.

Is the reason I don’t see my other music available as streaming on my Watch (including asking Siri to play something I know isn’t on the watch and it not working) because I don’t have iCloud Music Library turned on in my settings on my phone? There isn’t a setting to turn it on for the watch only and I don’t want to wipe the music already stored on the phone and then have to resync to see if that is the issue

it doesn't wipe the music on the phone though, although there is a warning that implies that It does.

I often have my icloud music turned off as annoyingly I have a Portuguese iTunes account as I live here but there are a few important uk only apps, mainly the tv apps. to update them every once in a while, I have to log out and log back in and then turn the icloud back on and it has to reupdate. it doesn't touch the local music though.

 

[bradbomb]

it doesn't wipe the music on the phone though, although there is a warning that implies that It does.

I often have my icloud music turned off as annoyingly I have a Portuguese iTunes account as I live here but there are a few important uk only apps, mainly the tv apps. to update them every once in a while, I have to log out and log back in and then turn the icloud back on and it has to reupdate. it doesn't touch the local music though.

Is there a way to have it on and on my phone NOT show all the music in my library. Again that thing is a huge mess because of duplicates, bad tagging, etc. I only sync about 4000 songs to my iphone that I have in a specific playlist.

 

[macsplusmacs]

lovvvvvinnnngggggg this!!!!

both radio and music.

love love love the experience on my LTE watch

 

[madeirabhoy]

Is there a way to have it on and on my phone NOT show all the music in my library. Again that thing is a huge mess because of duplicates, bad tagging, etc. I only sync about 4000 songs to my iphone that I have in a specific playlist.

pretty sure not. think you need to spend an hour or two sorting out your bad tagging.

 

[blairh]

Can someone clarify this once and for all for me.

If you use iTunes Match, and NOT Apple Music, can you browse/control your entire library with the Series 3 on both wi-fi and cellular? (iPhone connected to cellular, not an LTE connected AW.) And if so, can this be done on both the GPS and Cellular S3?

What I'm trying to figure out is if the S3 allows us to browse our entire collection once again as it used to be before 4.0 removed this feature.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Really bummed about the old remote functionality disappearing

Supposedly that’s coming back. However, it’s not on watchOS 4.2 (beta 1) yet.
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Can someone clarify this once and for all for me.

If you use iTunes Match, and NOT Apple Music, can you browse/control your entire library with the Series 3 on both wi-fi and cellular? (iPhone connected to cellular, not an LTE connected AW.) And if so, can this be done on both the GPS and Cellular S3?

What I'm trying to figure out is if the S3 allows us to browse our entire collection once again as it used to be before 4.0 removed this feature.

Yes, you can browse your entire library but you can’t initiate music playback to the iDevice connected. It’ll only playback to a BT device connected to the watch. I have iTunes Match but I am not an Apple Music subscriber.

 

[blairh]

Yes, you can browse your entire library but you can’t initiate music playback to the iDevice connected. It’ll only playback to a BT device connected to the watch. I have iTunes Match but I am not an Apple Music subscriber.

I'm sorry but this still confuses me a little.

Let's say I'm wearing BT headphones connected to my iPhone. And the AW S3 GPS is on my wrist. In this scenario, I can browse and control my entire iTunes Match library, just like prior to 4.0?

 

[QuarterSwede]

I'm sorry but this still confuses me a little.

Let's say I'm wearing BT headphones connected to my iPhone. And the AW S3 GPS is on my wrist. In this scenario, I can browse and control my entire iTunes Match library, just like prior to 4.0?

No and that’s what everyone’s issue is.

You can view the entire iTunes Match library but as soon as you try to playback a song it’ll ask you to connect a BT device to your Apple Watch because it’s not seeing the library on the iPhone, just what’s in the cloud.

If you’re already listening to music on your iPhone you can use Now Playing to change tracks but not see the library on your iPhone.

Basically the Apple Watch sees the entire iTunes Match library but it will only playback to a BT device connected to the watch. It will not browse what is locally on the iPhone and won’t control iPhone playback via Now Playing on the watch until playback is already started on the iPhone. If they just added an option to control the iPhone when playback is initiated on the watch then there wouldn’t be an issue. As it stands the only options are an already paired Bluetooth device or Connect a device.

It’s confusing and they’ve said they’re planning on putting iPhone browsing/playback initiation back into watchOS. Can’t remember who said it though.

 

[bradbomb]

pretty sure not. think you need to spend an hour or two sorting out your bad tagging.

I wish it would just be an hour or two. A lot of my music is live shows with bad tagging so its hard to sometimes identify if its a duplicate or not when they don't show up next to each other in itunes and iTunes duplicate finder is horrible. I've tried other ones, but none are perfect and basically resigned the fact that my library is doomed because of the fact that I have been storing MP3s and later M4As since about 1997. I used MacAMP, then transitioned to SoundJam, before iTunes came out. Back with SoundJam and MacAMP, there was no library, you just had playlists and what not and ID3 tags were not always standardized, etc.

 

[blairh]

You can view the entire iTunes Match library but as soon as you try to playback a song it’ll ask you to connect a BT device to your Apple Watch because it’s not seeing the library on the iPhone. Just what’s in the cloud.

If you’re already listening to music on your iPhone you can use Now Playing to change tracks but not see the library on your iPhone.

Basically the Apple Watch sees the entire iTunes Match library but it will only playback to a BT device connected to the watch. It will not browse what is locally on the iPhone and won’t control iPhone playback via Now Playing on the watch until playback is already started on the iPhone.

It’s confusing and they’ve said they’re planning on putting iPhone browsing/playback initiation back into watchOS. Can’t remember who said it though.

Thank you so much for clarifying this.

What connection to the cloud is the S3 GPS AW using in this scenario to stream the music to your BT headphones? Your wi-fi/cellular connected iPhone?

It's a bit bizarre of a requirement because as soon as I turn on my BT headphones they will auto-connect to my iPhone. It is simple though to switch to the AW as source audio device for the BT headphones, correct?

Also is this limited to both the S3 GPS and GPS/LTE models or is this also available to all previous AW's models running 4.1?

 

[QuarterSwede]

Thank you so much for clarifying this.

What connection to the cloud is the S3 GPS AW using in this scenario to stream the music to your BT headphones? Your wi-fi/cellular connected iPhone?

It's a bit bizarre of a requirement because as soon as I turn on my BT headphones they will auto-connect to my iPhone. It is simple though to switch to the AW as source audio device for the BT headphones, correct?

Also is this limited to both the S3 GPS and GPS/LTE models or is this also available to all previous AW's models running 4.1?

As far as I understand it it’s been changed for all AW S0-3.

The GPS only watch will stream using the iPhone LTE connection if away from WiFi or use WiFi if the iPhone isn’t around. It’s messy technologically.

 

[blairh]

As far as I understand it it’s been changed for all AW S0-3.

The GPS only watch will stream using the iPhone LTE connection if away from WiFi or use WiFi if the iPhone isn’t around. It’s messy technologically.

Can someone else confirm this is available to AW 0-2 also?

And how does a S3 GPS AW connect to a wifi network if not connected to an iPhone at the same time?

 

[QuarterSwede]

Can someone else confirm this is available to AW 0-2 also?

You haven’t heard everyone complaining on MR that they lost that functionality in watchOS 4?

And how does a S3 GPS AW connect to a wifi network if not connected to an iPhone at the same time?

It has to be an already known network. See the WiFi icon below? My iPhone is in airplane mode with WiFi and BT off so it’s not not connected at all. I’m still able to browse iTunes Match and play songs.

Otherwise it shows a green iPhone icon.

 

[blairh]

You haven’t heard everyone complaining on MR that they lost that functionality in watchOS 4?

I was asking if these features you are explaining to me with iCloud Music and the S3 GPS AW in 4.1 are also available with S0-S2 or if it’s just the S3 series (both models).

Also thank you for answering my other question. I can’t believe how complicated Apple has made music on the Watch now versus the dead simple remote control functions prior to 4.0.

 

[MJ22]

Don't make fun of me, because I feel extremely stupid here, and no amount of Googling the issue has helped.

I have the Series 3 LTE Apple Watch and just signed up for Apple Music. I have an extensive iTunes library including a number of iTunes playlists that sync easily to my iPod nano.

For the love of God, all I want is to load my Workout playlist from iTunes to my Apple Watch without having to manually go through all the 200ish songs one by one and create a new playlist in Apple Music. I have googled and googled. I cannot find a way to do this. When I Google I just don't see some of the options to choose to load this one playlist to Apple Music on my iPhone (which, if I understand it correctly, I would have to go from my MacBook iTunes > iPhone Apple Music > Apple Watch synced playlist.

PLEASE help!! I'm at my wits end.

 

[Solver]

Don't make fun of me, because I feel extremely stupid here, and no amount of Googling the issue has helped.

I have the Series 3 LTE Apple Watch and just signed up for Apple Music. I have an extensive iTunes library including a number of iTunes playlists that sync easily to my iPod nano.

For the love of God, all I want is to load my Workout playlist from iTunes to my Apple Watch without having to manually go through all the 200ish songs one by one and create a new playlist in Apple Music. I have googled and googled. I cannot find a way to do this. When I Google I just don't see some of the options to choose to load this one playlist to Apple Music on my iPhone (which, if I understand it correctly, I would have to go from my MacBook iTunes > iPhone Apple Music > Apple Watch synced playlist.

PLEASE help!! I'm at my wits end.

To select a playlist to auto play from the watch when you begin a workout:
Put a workout playlist on your iPhone.
On the Apple Watch app on your iPhone, choose “Workout.” On the bottom choose “Workout Playlist.” Choose that playlist for all your workouts.

Note: you can use iBooks to download free official User Guides for both Apple Watch and iPhone.

 

[MJ22]

To select a playlist to auto play from the watch when you begin a workout:
Put a workout playlist on your iPhone.
On the Apple Watch app on your iPhone, choose “Workout.” On the bottom choose “Workout Playlist.” Choose that playlist for all your workouts.

Note: you can use iBooks to download free official User Guides for both Apple Watch and iPhone.

This isn’t an option for me. My workout playlist is in iTunes. It doesn’t go over to Apple Music or the watch. It is not on my phone nor my watch, it is in iTunes on my MacBook and my iPod and that is all.

 

[Solver]

This isn’t an option for me. My workout playlist is in iTunes. It doesn’t go over to Apple Music or the watch. It is not on my phone nor my watch, it is in iTunes on my MacBook and my iPod and that is all.

I do not have Apple Music to test anything. Apple states, “Access your music collection on all of your devices with Apple Music.” and “You don't have to manually sync your songs, albums, or playlists.”

Maybe this will help,
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207542
And this,
“By default, songs that you add to playlists don't automatically add to your Library. If you want to add each song to your Library, you can change your settings.”

 

[menace3]

This isn’t an option for me. My workout playlist is in iTunes. It doesn’t go over to Apple Music or the watch. It is not on my phone nor my watch, it is in iTunes on my MacBook and my iPod and that is all.

So you have 1 or 2 options.

1. Sync the playlist to your phone, then you can sync it to your watch to be stored locally. You can play it regardless of your connectivity.

2. If you have Apple Music, You can upload that particular playing to your apple music and access it across multi devices.

 

[MJ22]

I do not have Apple Music to test anything. Apple states, “Access your music collection on all of your devices with Apple Music.” and “You don't have to manually sync your songs, albums, or playlists.”

Maybe this will help,
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207542
And this,
“By default, songs that you add to playlists don't automatically add to your Library. If you want to add each song to your Library, you can change your settings.”

The change your setting link worked! Thank you so much—you made my day!