Nope, you don't get to do that, I never said anyone deserved to die. I referenced statistics to support a reason why blacks might get killed during interactions with law enforcement at a rate disproportionate to their percentage of the population. When you commit crimes at a disproportionate rate to your percentage of the population your interractions with law enforcement will also be disproportionate. Simple math.
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Nope, you don't get to do that, I never said anyone deserved to die. I referenced statistics to support a reason why blacks might get killed during interactions with law enforcement at a rate disproportionate to their percentage of the population. When you commit crimes at a disproportionate rate to your percentage of the population your interractions with law enforcement will also be disproportionate. Simple math.
So you think I should have my mental state suffer MORE by not distressing and relaxing during this time? Wow.
Tread lightly here Apple. Although the message is solid.. you are indirectly suggesting people should stand up right now (protest/riot). In this time with Social Distancing.. having 5000 people together protesting is the last thing US needs.
Isn’t the US death toll like 120,000?
In Australia the death toll is 103. Not thousands, just 103.
Maybe the message should be to stay at home, for now.
Isn’t the US death toll like 120,000?
In Australia the death toll is 103. Not thousands, just 103.
Maybe the message should be to stay at home, for now.
He's saying it's not the same talk, you are conflating the context. parents should be covering a wide assortment of topics with their kids from strangers, to playing in traffic, to how to interact with the police. What we are saying — and you have to trust us in this as you cannot go back and experience this in our place — is that the conversation involves a different level of what to expect from them, and what is expected from us, just to get the same result you may have from just not being a jerk to the cops. More often than not, the interactions are just not the same.
We really want them to be, that's why we protest.
You’re saying they deserve it, but you’re not brave enough to admit it.
Why he was beaten if he was not resisting and sitting quitely in the police car? Why he was dragged out of the car? You dont ask these questions because the answer may not like you. Actually, the only logicial answer to these questions is that he was showing great resistence during his arrest and especially when he was initially put in the car. That is the only obvious reason why he was pulled out of the car and inmmovilized on the group. This is also the only logicial reason why the police officer used so much force. Did the police officer used too much force? Obviously. But this does not mean that Floyd is a peceaful angel that was somehow targeted by this police officer just because he is black and was killed on purpose. He was arrested, decided to fight the police and resist and the police officer ****ed up from there, that is.
How about this Apple, instead of your message being "F*ck the police" how about you promote people getting active in thier communities, getting elected, joining law enforcement, etc as a way to enact change!
All if you complaining that it’s an annoyance and that Apple shouldn’t make it inconvenient for paying customers to access a feature they like to use (you can still use Hey Siri to access those playlists)... yep, you’re all technically correct. Good job.
Now, though, get TF off of your technically correct high horse, quit your moaning, and get over it. They’ll be easier to use tomorrow.
in the meantime, seriously look in the mirror and decide if you’re proud to have bitched and complained about something so trivial TODAY.
Now, though, get TF off of your technically correct high horse, quit your moaning, and get over it. They’ll be easier to use tomorrow.
in the meantime, seriously look in the mirror and decide if you’re proud to have bitched and complained about something so trivial TODAY.
That’s a strawman argument. It’s not very helpful or brave.
And you continue to try and minimize my factual references with your opinion. If you cannot challenge ones ideas then just call them names.
It's always all too easy to dig up the past and say just because xxx did it 100 years ago, then yyy can do it now...
We need to focus on the here and now, not dwell on the past - this is what makes people bitter and twisted.
And for the record, I believe it should be ALL lives matter...as this would show compassion from everybody, which is in my view what it should be like....ALL lives do indeed matter.
Please show me any real statistics that show that a typical interraction between a black person and law enforcement will turn deadly, it is incredibly rare. It just makes the news.
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There are a few things to keep in mind. The first is that there is more crime in lower income areas because the lower you are in the social ladder, the more likely you are to be tempted by "easy money" and the more the citizens of the community are surrounded by such influences. This is a social economic issue that is indirectly associated with race but minority groups are more likely to live and grow up in such neighborhoods.
A second point is that the crime in lower income areas leans much more towards blue collar type crime versus the white collar crime in higher income areas. The police officers experience this in their cities and it has a significant affect in how they patrol.
People forget that police officers are humans that are flawed and subject to react emotionally just like each human person. People officers are people, not robots. In general, they are no different than each one of us. When police officers have to consistently deal with people who hate you and want to hurt them and who force them to use violence to deal with violence then they become numb to dealing with people. Obviously, the higher the crime rate in the city, the more likely the police force is to be tired and worn out emotionally.
Better education and better economic opportunities is the only solution to this problem. Once that happens, crime will drop, the police force won't be so stressed out, and we will achieve real change. The current protests and token efforts by corporate America are 1 step forward and 2 steps backward.
Why would encouraging people to engage in their communities, join law enforcement or get elected not be a good idea? This sounds like the perfect way for people in under-represented communities to enact change.
You’re using statistics to push your opinion that black people deserve to be disproportionately killed by the police, because they are disproportionately involved in more crime.
You stated that the Black Lives Matter movement is just a “f*** the police” thing.
I see what you are.
Are you speculating? It seems like it. I didn't see any resistance. Even if he dropped a stream of swear words and threats — these are trained officers, 4 of them — he was cuffed and in the car. Take him in and process him.
It's only logical if you ignore the video footage and the fact that the officers are trained in restraining suspects. They are held to a higher standard which is why they wear a badge.
No one said he was targeted because he was black, only that he was handled more forcefully because he was black. That he wasn't taken seriously in his pleas for help because he was black, and that it was exacerbated by the cop fearing looking weak in front bystander asking him to ease up. You are insinuating his behaviours being contrary to what evidence shows and I'm not sure why. Why is it important to find justification for extreme force?
It's gets easier to spot them when you let them rant
You may want to look at recent local elections and see how people treated black and other ethnic minority candidates...oh no, you won't do that will you...too busy trying to prove yourself right..pathetic
Nickname99: You’re using statistics to push your opinion that black people deserve to be disproportionately killed by the police, because they are disproportionately involved in more crime.
You stated that the Black Lives Matter movement is just a “f*** the police” thing.
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Nope, never said those words. I found statistics to support a possible reason why.
I also never even mentioned BLM in any of my posts.
Please link where I said either of these things or you are in violation of forum rules, you don't get to make things up.
You stated that the Black Lives Matter movement is just a “f*** the police” thing.
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Nope, never said those words. I found statistics to support a possible reason why.
I also never even mentioned BLM in any of my posts.
Please link where I said either of these things or you are in violation of forum rules, you don't get to make things up.
Yeah, sure! Surviving a traffic stop. This is BS. You dont need to do anything special to "survive" traffic stop. Just stay calm, be respectful and follow the officer's orders. That's all. It applies regardless of the color of your skin.
For those complaining, this is what you agreed to when you signed up for the walled-garden ecosystem of Appleland.
Apple can do this, which is only temporary, just as they control what apps you are allowed to install (by preventing apps that don't abide by their rules). Their house, their rules...even when you are paying rent.
Apple can do this, which is only temporary, just as they control what apps you are allowed to install (by preventing apps that don't abide by their rules). Their house, their rules...even when you are paying rent.
Oh come on, you’re going to call the cops on me? That probably works for you in the real world.
With all due respect that is a privileged perspective that does not extend to many people of colour. I am not playing down your perspective — I really understand you believe that — but in that same vein, understand that you are not privy to the other side of the argument. We are not lying about this experience and only hope to shed light on it because we want it to stop. We envy your perspective, our experience just don't support it.
Nope, not at all, just challenging you to prove your statement. I never said those things. Link where I said the things you claim.
A key tool of a weak arguement is to try and minimize the stronger one.
Im not looking for any justification. You say that the cop used excesive force just to look "cool"? Really? And Im the one speculating? Officers are trained in restraining suspects and this includes get the suspect down and push him against the groud. The cop just ****ed up and used to much preassure. That is the whole story. Floyd died by accident and nothing in the footage that was published so far shows that he was killed on purpose. The officer tought that Floyd was faking that he cannot breath just to start resisting again just as he was doing in the car a few moments ago.
Floyd was dumb enough to resist an arrest and the police oficer was dump enough to not follow the appropirate procedure in this situation. Saying that Floyd was treated the way he was treated because he is black is absurd. What if the cop's wife was black? Would you still insist that the cop is racist and killed Floyd because he is black? No, then everything you try to justifce is pure speculation that is based on rethoric that is statistically false.