Apple Music Joins Music Industry's Blackout Tuesday Awareness Campaign

[iReality85]

No one said he was targeted because he was black, only that he was handled more forcefully because he was black. That he wasn't taken seriously in his pleas for help because he was black, and that it was exacerbated by the cop fearing looking weak in front bystander asking him to ease up. You are insinuating his behaviors being contrary to what evidence shows and I'm not sure why. Why is it important to find justification for extreme force?

The case of George Floyd, while tragic and worthy of being outraged over, is sadly not an outlier. There have been other cases, with nearly the same circumstances. I'm sure there are many people who have died at the hands of cops whose story will never be heard of or given the light of day. It's important to know that's it's not a "black" thing, but rather a "police" thing.

If you don't believe me, I invite you to follow this CBS News link, from a case in 2016.

(Warning, the video in the article is graphic)

 

[NickName99]

Nope, not at all, just challenging you to prove your statement. I never said those things. Link where I said the things you claim.

A key tool of a weak arguement is to try and minimize the stronger one.

I’ll just let my arguments stand, anyone can go see what you said and what I said. You‘re pretty good with a dog whistle, I know the type all too well.

“Never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

 

[icanhazmac]

I’ll just let my arguments stand, anyone can go see what you said and what I said.

Lets just plain weak. You accuse me of saying things I never said and then try to take the moral high ground?

Come back when you have a better arguement.

 

[Ronlap]

Perhaps Timmy should enable all of those looted iPhones and Macs to show his solidarity? Perhaps invite the protesters back into his stores to select a different item if they were not able to get the one that they wanted the first time? And them open up all of the closed Apple stores -- recognizing that it was racist to close them in the first place.

 

[nikaru]

With all due respect that is a privileged perspective that does not extend to many people of colour. I am not playing down your perspective — I really understand you believe that — but in that same vein, understand that you are not privy to the other side of the argument. We are not lying about this experience and only hope to shed light on it because we want it to stop. We envy your perspective, our experience just don't support it.

I dont have any privileged perspective. If you want me to assume that your experience is representative of the actual reality of the situation, maybe you have some statistic data to suppor your porposition that its more likely to be pulled over by the cops jsut because your are black (compared to the proportional % of the population you are representing) and you are also more likely to be fined, right? This would provde that black persons are generally treated less favorably just because they are black and prove me wrong, would you agree?

 

[currocj]

And what magical country would that be?

This. What utopian country do you live in? Sounds wonderful.

 

[Websnapx2]

Really, how do you determine who is part of the protest and who is not? I mean, do they wear special badges or something? Maybe from the shaking smarthphone videos you are capable to distinguish protestors from instigators, but I cannot. So no, there are no evidence at all. There are statments of journalists interpreting some random videos, nothing else. Anyway, any person outside on the street during curfew is by definition instigator.

Usually, when the footage is showing the actual protestors yelling at them to stop, hell, I saw some footage of one instigator smashing stuff with a hammer and protestors grabbing them and giving them to the cops. Up to that point the cops were just spraying everyone with pepper spray. I'm talking in broad daylight (not curfew).

 

[cocky jeremy]

No it's about how incredulous the police can be when arresting and detaining Black folks.
So we have a Black man that supposedly passed a bad $20. If he were white, they would have checked his wallet for other fake bills. They would have take his name and done an investigation.

It's about Breonna Taylor that was killed while sleeping, when police entered he house and shot it up.
She was an EMT and her boyfriend shot at someone kicking in the door. They did not announce themselves as police.
Now she's dead and the cops are on "administrative leave".

We have a white spree killer that got none of the treatment of Floyd when he got arrested.
But it's never about race. Whatever...

It's not about ONE guy. It's about how police treat Black people and other people of color in general.

You mean like the black, asian, and hispanic cops that were also in on that? But sure, it's a white cop problem. Besides, none of this has anything to do with Apple. Make tech, and shut up. No one gives a **** about Apple's thoughts on this stuff.

 

[newyorksole]

The case of George Floyd, while tragic and worthy of being outraged over, is sadly not an outlier. There have been other cases, with nearly the same circumstances. I'm sure there are many people who have died at the hands of cops whose story will never be heard of or given the light of day. It's important to know that's it's not a "black" thing, but rather a "police" thing.

If you don't believe me, I invite you to follow this CBS News link, from a case in 2016.

(Warning, the video in the article is graphic)

No one is saying that it doesn't happen to non-Black people. It's sad that focus has to be shifted away from the topic at hand. There is a deep rooted issue with racism in America. Why is it so farfetched or so wrong for people to speak about issues that Black people face ESPECIALLY considering ya know... slavery and the Civil Rights movement.

The police need to be held accountable for their actions and not use such poor judgment with their lethal/brutal force and we need to all be anti-racist.

It's that simple.

 

[Sanlitun]

Will we be doing something different tomorrow for the seniors who were shot by the sniper?

Pointless.

 

[JohnnyQuest]

We love to see it!

Y'all can survive one day without Apple Music. Calm down.

 

[Websnapx2]

I dont have any privileged perspective. If you want me to assume that your experience is representative of the actual reality of the situation, maybe you have some statistic data to suppor your porposition that its more likely to be pulled over by the cops jsut because your are black (compared to the proportional % of the population you are representing) and you are also more likely to be fined, right? This would provde that black persons are generally treated less favorably just because they are black and prove me wrong, would you agree?

I have — multiple times in this thread. OK, one more time.

There is this, and this, and this, and this, also this, and this. Now that I have done so are you willing to consider this is at least a possibility? I have no reason to lie, I gain nothing from this but more hardships. I don't cause trouble, I've never been charged of a crime, yet I have been pulled over for no reason and had my car searched at least five times in the last few years. Never with a "thanks for complying", never with a "we appreciate your patience". it's treatment above and beyond the norm, just to see if they can trip someone up. The second you act out — it's just cause.

For a black person in a traffic stop — many times it is guilty before proven innocent. Look at how we have just flown past whether or not George Floyd was guilty or not, we just assume he is because, I mean... why would the cops do that. And that's the point. It is easier and less disruptive to assume the suspects are clearly bad behaving criminals because the alternative — that the police system is corrupt to its core — is much harder to contemplate, and is a stain on our democracy.

 

[Xenden]

Oh poor dear, call Apple and demand your 35 cents US for your suffering and pain. maybe you’re an attorney looking for business 🤨

it isn’t about 35¢, it’s about the fact that they temporarily hobbled a service for no good technological reason.

Paid services should not pushing messages and breaking their service. I’d be much more in support of Apple pushing BLM support if this message was either a pop up, or a splash page message.

That way they get their point across, and give their customers what they pay for.

 

[Hoosier317]

it isn’t about 35¢, it’s about the fact that they temporarily hobbled a service for no good technological reason.

Paid services should not pushing messages and breaking their service. I’d be much more in support of Apple pushing BLM support if this message was either a pop up, or a splash page message.

That way they get their point across, and give their customers what they pay for.

You will survive. Please note the subtle irony.

 

[Sedulous]

So pausing Apple Music for a day will fix this how? I’d pause Apple Music permanently if I thought it would make all things rosey in the world. It’s just the latest headline and everyone’s going jump on it and pretend they care but in a month they’ll be talking about some other new story of the day
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That’s because the CCP is over them making iPhones. If the police made iPhones you wouldn’t hear a peep from Apple about this either 😂

It is just such striking hypocrisy. Sure, early on the hope was that opening up the Chinese economy would lead to reform. It seems to have gone in the opposite direction. It honestly bothers me greatly that our entire world has continued to place dependence on a horrible totalitarian regime that stands against everything we cherish.
I am sorry, Apple and every other corporation that is continuously virtue signaling while stuffing the pockets of the CCP are poseurs of the highest order.

 

[NickName99]

It is just such striking hypocrisy. Sure, early on the hope was that opening up the Chinese economy would lead to reform. It seems to have gone in the opposite direction. It honestly bothers me greatly that our entire world has continued to place dependence on a horrible totalitarian regime that stands against everything we cherish.
I am sorry, Apple and every other corporation that is continuously virtue signaling while stuffing the pockets of the CCP are poseurs of the highest order.

Why do people keeping whipping out this logical fallacy?

Whataboutism: attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

 

[Sedulous]

Maybe police should be trained a bit differently (from what I understand it is all about taking control of situation). In my very limited experience with police they can come across as aggressive and this escalates things. Police should also routinely be psychologically trained/tested. Dealing routinely with horrible people must take a toll.

 

[techwhiz]

Why he was beaten if he was not resisting and sitting quitely in the police car? Why he was dragged out of the car? You dont ask these questions because the answer may not like you. Actually, the only logicial answer to these questions is that he was showing great resistence during his arrest and especially when he was initially put in the car. That is the only obvious reason why he was pulled out of the car and inmmovilized on the group. This is also the only logicial reason why the police officer used so much force. Did the police officer used too much force? Obviously. But this does not mean that Floyd is a peceaful angel that was somehow targeted by this police officer just because he is black and was killed on purpose. He was arrested, decided to fight the police and resist and the police officer ****ed up from there, that is.

Nope. Videos and picture showing him calm and compliant.
next....

 

[Sedulous]

Why do people keeping whipping out this logical fallacy?

Whataboutism: attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

What? That has to be the biggest swing and miss of all time.
Go ask any Cantonese speaking person in Hong Kong. Or maybe any of the million Uighur detainees in Chinese concentration camps. Or maybe the routine tyranny and oppression of any Chinese citizen. Not a peep from any of the corporations so eager to virtue signal here in the USA.

 

[jimbobb24]

I support fighting police brutality. This is a clear example of brutality. We do not want the enforcers of govt law being violent and harming citizens unnecessarily - even ones breaking the law. But there was nothing racist about this incident. Unless your world view is so impoverished you think any interaction between people of different races that has a bad outcome is evidence of racism the race of the victim is a distraction. All people should see beyond the race and see a crime we all want punished. Getting bogged down in racism for which their is zero evidence dilutes the message.

 

[walex19]

Yes, only Apple can save lives. Until Apple does this narrative and forces all of their users a certain way, lives can be saved.

Really? THIS is why nothing will ever change? Are you also in favor of riots and looting stores too? Proper protesting is the way. Let customers still enter Walmart, or access Apple Music the way they want to.

This needs to be dismissible to allow customers to use it as they should be able to.
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When have I disrespected someone? It is perfectly reasonable to voice disappointment on a service I PAY FOR that is now preventing some of their features that I use due to this.

Stop being stupid, who said I was in favor of looting? Just pointing out how something small like this and oh! It’s an inconvenience! Your world is over! It doesn’t affect me, so why should I care??? Pfft

 

[BarrettF77]

Oh wow...complaining about a disruption in Apple Music. Imagine if your entire life (or existence) was interrupted by a bad cop due to the color of your skin.

PAY ATTENTION. THE WORLD IS SPEAKING. LISTEN. UP.

When your message contains thoughtful intent to bring awareness is one thing.

BUT, when you move to rioting, looting, and your movement ruins businesses, causes them to close due to fear, and causes communities to be fearful of what might unfold I do NOT support that. And this has become that.

MLK was a role model in how to handle things. But there existed restraint back then. Today, bad actors are infiltrating and no one in these movements is keeping that in check. Respect lost in the outcome.

At the end of the day, we are on the same team. Why are we going backwards in destroying our own communities for one persons bad actions?

 

[techwhiz]

The case of George Floyd, while tragic and worthy of being outraged over, is sadly not an outlier. There have been other cases, with nearly the same circumstances. I'm sure there are many people who have died at the hands of cops whose story will never be heard of or given the light of day. It's important to know that's it's not a "black" thing, but rather a "police" thing.

If you don't believe me, I invite you to follow this CBS News link, from a case in 2016.

(Warning, the video in the article is graphic)

You are wrong.
In this country it is unlikely that if not caught on camera that if a white cop kills a black man it will ever be investigated. That's the disparity.
Even with a camera, it gets ignored.
Look how long it even took to charge in this case and they haven't even charged the other cops.

 

[walex19]

When your message contains thoughtful intent to bring awareness is one thing.

BUT, when you move to rioting, looting, and your movement ruins businesses, causes them to close due to fear, and causes communities to be fearful of what might unfold I do NOT support that. And this has become that.

MLK was a role model in how to handle things. But there existed restraint back then. Today, bad actors are infiltrating and no one in these movements is keeping that in check. Respect lost in the outcome.

At the end of the day, we are on the same team. Why are we going backwards in destroying our own communities for one persons bad actions?

There it is! MLK, the role model. Guess what happened? Assassinated.

Colin to a peaceful knee but was called a son of a bitch.

 

[techwhiz]

You can’t just stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that anyone who disagrees with you is a MAGA troll.

This is coming from a registered Democrat, who voted for Hillary, and will vote for Biden.

We as a country need to be more open to dialogue, and less into an “US vs. THEM” mentality.

But what you talk about, the "us vs them" dynamic was not created by nor perpetuated by black folks.
We didn't ask for nor support 100 years of Apartheid.
We didn't ask for segregation.
We didn't ask for red lining in loans and insurance.
We didn't ask for brutality in policing.
All we asked for was to be seen and treated as equals, with equal opportunities and a fair shake.
Every time we ask or demand to be treated equal, we get treated like we are asking for something we should not expect.