Apple Music Joins Music Industry's Blackout Tuesday Awareness Campaign

[smorrissey]

Can we do a "SubscriptionPaymentBlackOut" too ?

 

[Xenden]

Freedom was never given. It is always taken at gunpoint.
Those in power will never give it up unless forced.

While I agree that freedom in America was won with firepower and warfare.

Those of influence at time all agreed that the rights in the Constitution and Bill of Rights were “innate”, they exist just because humans exist. No one in power gave them to us.

Slavery will always be a stain, but all rights in America are not given to us by anyone person or persons in power, they exist and are protected by the government.

I would never want to live anywhere else. We are free to express our thoughts and never fear a knock at the door by local police because someone took offense at what I said online.

 

[walex19]

Exactly.
But 8,000,000 Jehovah's Witnesses do not salute the flag.
Nor do 200,000 Ahmish.
One man takes a knee and the world comes to an end.
Maybe if people in power would have taken the stance seriously America wouldn't be on fire now.
The NFL makes a statement, about equality that is so hypocritical it isn't even funny.
Colin asked about equal treatment and he was banned.

The NFL said everything they needed to say when he was banned from the league.
F the NFL and I'll never watch another game.

Freedom was never given. It is always taken at gunpoint.
Those in power will never give it up unless forced.

It’s okay man, they’ll never ever get it. This is America.

 

[smorrissey]

We're all living in Amerika
Amerika ist wunderbar
We're all living in Amerika
Amerika, Amerika

 

[BarrettF77]

Update your history — MLK was the poster child for civil disobedience. He would be kicked and pepper-sprayed if he were alive today, as many many protesters who have been quietly and civilly sitting in have been beaten, kicked, trampled and shot with rubber bullets.


Many of these bad actors have nothing to do with the movement at all. You cannot keep in check what you are not apart of.

Of course you can. If a group sees individuals who are going against the peaceful intent then single them out. No one wants to be isolated from the masses in doing so.

And yes, MLK was disobedient, but he wasn’t out there setting fire to businesses, nor was he looting. That activity is what’s pushed this in a negative direction.

These are facts, not opinions.

 

[Websnapx2]

You and I have the same experience.
Like I said
I have never been arrested.
Multiple degrees in engineering.
Always employed and clean cut.

But I have been in cuffs on the side of the road more times than I can remember and never received a ticket for any time I was in cuffs.

Every time a cop pulls behind me my pulse races and I get sweaty.
Not because I've done anything wrong, but because I know there is a high probability that I might end up on the ground or in the back of the car in cuffs for nothing.

I don't have a lot of pleasant experiences with cops.

I get it. People don't understand unless they are with you, and even then, it's different.

I remember starting a new job near the Canadian border, we had a design client on the other side my new boss was excited for me to meet so the first weekend he picked me up and we drove over to drop off proofs. As we approach the border I was careful to take my hat and glasses off, music was barely above mute, and I smiled and made eye contact the entire time (I'm not driving, mind you). So my then-new employer, a 6-foot Irish-Ukrainian who had made the trip enough times that the border guard knew him by name, was in the driver's seat in his own car — the car he had previously made the same trip in dozens of times — pulls up to the Boarder guard with a usually smile and courteous greeting and all was well... until the guard noticed me. I smiled and said hi — presenting my passport — them my boss told him I was a new hire, taking me to see a client on a day trip. Immediately — the guard signals for us to pull over. "Weird", my boss said to me... "that's never happened before". The guards then proceed to completely dismantle his car. All interior panels pulled off, speakers unscrewed from their housings... just left there on the concrete. When they inevitably found nothing, they walk all the way over to hand me the screwdriver to assemble it back together. Like it's my car to put back together.

The drive back was quiet. He was in shock. I waited for about 5 minutes and just finally laughed to cut the tension. He looked at me like I was crazy and I just told him "You have to laugh, there isn't an alternative — I don't get to be angry about this. If I do, something happens." He was livid. He wanted to complain, call someone, write a letter, yell at someone — anyone, anything to relieve the anger he was feeling — and he was mad I wasn't madder than i appeared.

That's when I told him about how our parents have to speak to black kids when they hit a certain age about being extra diligent. Not to get suckered into words, body language, or impatience than may be misconstrued as "aggressive". He couldn't wrap his head around it — even though he just saw it first hand by someone who, by all accounts was nothing but friendly and civil with him till that point.

It's perspective. Just because we exist in the same space doesn't mean that we experience the same things. We all have our own ignorances, we need to rely on others to tell us about the perspectives we aren't privy to — and to do it with honesty and trust — or there can never be real understanding.

I respect and understand those who have had my experience and trust that their ignorance is without malice. All I can do is hope they do the same about my experience.

I suffer from PTSD when it comes to cops.
My journey with being stopped for nothing started at 12 or 13 walking in a white neighborhood where I lived.
They took me home because they thought I was lying about my address.

I'm sorry brother, but I hear you. I hope your experiences soften.
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Of course you can. If a group sees individuals who are going against the peaceful intent then single them out. No one wants to be isolated from the masses in doing so.

They are, and it is not being reported.

And yes, MLK was disobedient, but he wasn’t out there setting fire to businesses, nor was he looting. That activity is what’s pushed this in a negative direction.

These are facts, not opinions.

But we have the blessing of hindsight — at the time he was one of the most hated men in America. They blamed him — as the real protesters and being blamed now — for the violence.

 

[nt5672]

I have — multiple times in this thread. OK, one more time.

There is this, and this, and this, and this, also this, and this. Now that I have done so are you willing to consider this is at least a possibility? I have no reason to lie, I gain nothing from this but more hardships. I don't cause trouble, I've never been charged of a crime, yet I have been pulled over for no reason and had my car searched at least five times in the last few years. Never with a "thanks for complying", never with a "we appreciate your patience". it's treatment above and beyond the norm, just to see if they can trip someone up. The second you act out — it's just cause.

For a black person in a traffic stop — many times it is guilty before proven innocent. Look at how we have just flown past whether or not George Floyd was guilty or not, we just assume he is because, I mean... why would the cops do that. And that's the point. It is easier and less disruptive to assume the suspects are clearly bad behaving criminals because the alternative — that the police system is corrupt to its core — is much harder to contemplate, and is a stain on our democracy.

Well you did not act out and you were fine even in your racist locality. Don't see the problem. Racism is wrong at all levels. But in my area we don't see it. It is not a national issue.

I live in the Midwest and just yesterday I was setting at gas station convenance store and this typical White red neck for our area stepped out of a truck. You know the type; big dirty pickup, white tee shirt, jeans, boots, looked like he had the IQ of a rock, short short hair, muscular, tan bordered on sunburn. He waited extra time when he got to the door to hold the door open for and older but not old woman of color. Didn't have to, but did it anyway. Didn't do it because she was cute, because she wasn't especially. Just did it. Maybe you should try living in a Red state instead of a Blue one. You might be surprised.

You know the saying, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail." Racism is not an endemic national problem. Not all cops are racist. Racism is simply a tool to make money and buy votes. If racism is involved I am all for extra sentencing. But claiming racism just because is only a tool for corrupt politicians and media.

In this latest situation there is nothing yet to suggest racism. Yet you won't give the accused a chance, even though every time you were pulled over you were given a chance. It seems to me that your view is that, "He's white he's racist." Does that seem about right?

 

[BarrettF77]

I get it. People don't understand unless they are with you, and even then, it's different.

I remember starting a new job near the Canadian border, we had a design client on the other side my new boss was excited for me to meet so the first weekend he picked me up and we drove over to drop off proofs. As we approach the border I was careful to take my hat and glasses off, music was barely above mute, and I smiled and made eye contact the entire time (I'm not driving, mind you). So my then-new employer, a 6-foot Irish-Ukrainian who had made the trip enough times that the border guard knew him by name, was in the driver's seat in his own car — the car he had previously made the same trip in dozens of times — pulls up to the Boarder guard with a usually smile and courteous greeting and all was well... until the guard noticed me. I smiled and said hi — presenting my passport — them my boss told him I was a new hire, taking me to see a client on a day trip. Immediately — the guard signals for us to pull over. "Weird", my boss said to me... "that's never happened before". The guards then proceed to completely dismantle his car. All interior panels pulled off, speakers unscrewed from their housings... just left there on the concrete. When they inevitably found nothing, they walk all the way over to hand me the screwdriver to assemble it back together. Like it's my car to put back together.

The drive back was quiet. He was in shock. I waited for about 5 minutes and just finally laughed to cut the tension. He looked at me like I was crazy and I just told him "You have to laugh, there isn't an alternative — I don't get to be angry about this. If I do, something happens." He was livid. He wanted to complain, call someone, write a letter, yell at someone — anyone, anything to relieve the anger he was feeling — and he was mad I wasn't madder than i appeared.

That's when I told him about how our parents have to speak to black kids when they hit a certain age about being extra diligent. Not to get suckered into words, body language, or impatience than may be misconstrued as "aggressive". He couldn't wrap his head around it — even though he just saw it first hand by someone who, by all accounts was nothing but friendly and civil with him till that point.

It's perspective. Just because we exist in the same space doesn't mean that we experience the same things. We all have our own ignorances, we need to rely on others to tell us about the perspectives we aren't privy to — and to do it with honesty and trust — or there can never be real understanding.

I respect and understand those who have had my experience and trust that their ignorance is without malice. All I can do is hope they do the same about my experience.



I'm sorry brother, but I hear you. I hope your experiences soften.
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They are, and it is not being reported.



But we have the blessing of hindsight — at the time he was one of the most hated men in America. They blamed him — as the real protesters and being blamed now — for the violence.

I just want you to know I have great admiration for stories such as the one you just gave. Obviously I’ll never know all the intricacies of some of what you’ve described, and I think the things we’ve tried in the past obviously don’t work.

but I think maybe passively or intentionally you hit a great point. It’s not being reported on. And part of the problem is is we put too much faith in the accuracy of what we are told. The news doesn’t always tell it like it is and they obviously are a for-profit business.

thank you for sharing that story though. I think things like that definitely pull out our heartstrings and that most people reading that can insert themselves into that situation and think about how they would react. There’s no anger, simply raw honesty and that’s a great thing to keep. Cheers my friend.

 

[nt5672]

I support fighting police brutality. This is a clear example of brutality. We do not want the enforcers of govt law being violent and harming citizens unnecessarily - even ones breaking the law. But there was nothing racist about this incident. Unless your world view is so impoverished you think any interaction between people of different races that has a bad outcome is evidence of racism the race of the victim is a distraction. All people should see beyond the race and see a crime we all want punished. Getting bogged down in racism for which their is zero evidence dilutes the message.

We don't know that (bold above) he was racist or not. How can we know the reasons behind his actions based on the released video. We can't. Just as calling him racist is wrong, making a false statement that he was not racist is just as wrong.

We had this principle a long time ago that one is innocent until proven guilty. Modern media has struct that concept down. If that is what you mean then so be it. But there is no evidence of motivation in the video I saw. So please don't make unsupported statements as that does not help your case either.

Other commenters have commented here that being prejudged is bad, for example being stopped in a car just because of race, but then they go right ahead and do the exact same thing they are complaining about to this cop. Either one believes that prejudging is fair or its not. Can't have it both ways unless your just trying to gen up racial divide, fear, hate, and more profits. This is not directed to you jimbobb24, its just my frustration with with people not seeing how they are being manipulated.

 

[Aika]

I am proud of Apple for taking a stand here. It's easy to draft up a tweet, this however is disruptive and somewhat brave.

The white supremacists and useful idiots with their racist talking points can deny it all they want but the USA and its institutions is racist to its core and peaceful protests and 8 years of a black president hasn't changed that fact.

 

[Websnapx2]

Maybe you should try living in a Red state instead of a Blue one.

Who said I didn't.

But in my area we don't see it. It is not a national issue.

I mean this with all due respect, are you black — or a visible minority? I'm not trying to invalidate your perspective (the opposite, I value it) it's just that it is hard to find racism if you would not typically be the target of it. it's a perspective thing, you know, some things are very subtle because the effects are not obvious. Some of the most damaging acts of racism are not overt. The obvious ones are sometimes easier to ignore, it's subtle ones do the longest-lasting damage.

In this latest situation there is nothing yet to suggest racism. Yet you won't give the accused a chance, even though every time you were pulled over you were given a chance.

Neither did George Floyd. He never got a chance. He never resisted arrest. He complied. He was beaten, choked out and killed for the possibility that he may be using a fake 20 — and who knows how he got it. The officer will have his day in court, George will not.

It seems to me that your view is that, "He's white he's racist." Does that seem about right?

Not in the least. Please feel free to find any time I said anything in regards to black and white. No, My issue is Black v Blue Sheild... and my contempt is for all four officers who put protecting the brother of the badge over the good of the people they were sworn to protect.

 

[Ultramove69]

Nice work Apple!

 

[Ethosik]

How do people expect this to be handled? Its not like the US promotes racism. So if its just bad people being bad, how do we expect to solve this? Lose our freedom? If people can no longer think for themselves, things might end up being worse. How do you force bad people who are racist to not be racist? There will always be evil people in the world, not just the US.

 

[Andronicus]

Thank you, Apple.

 

[Websnapx2]

but I think maybe passively or intentionally you hit a great point. It’s not being reported on. And part of the problem is is we put too much faith in the accuracy of what we are told. The news doesn’t always tell it like it is and they obviously are a for-profit business.

The problem is that we do not get believed. I used to report things, I was told I was trying to cause trouble. That I had a bone to pick.

thank you for sharing that story though. I think things like that definitely pull out our heartstrings and that most people reading that can insert themselves into that situation and think about how they would react. There’s no anger, simply raw honesty and that’s a great thing to keep. Cheers my friend.

I appreciate that, thank you. I think if we all listened more, assigned agendas less and just took people at their word we would be in more unison — even if the experiences are different.

 

[Aragornii]

Apple, you're not helping. All you're doing is preaching to the choir and piss*ng everyone else off.

I pay for a service and right now Apple is taking my money and not giving it to me. Tim Cook wants his woke-boy brownie points he can do it on his own damn dime.

 

[Ethosik]

Apple, you're not helping. All you're doing is preaching to the choir and piss*ng everyone else off.

I pay for a service and right now Apple is taking my money and not giving it to me. Tim Cook wants his woke-boy brownie points he can do it on his own damn dime.

Yep agreed. I have nothing but Apple products and services. I love Apple more than most on this forum. However, this stunt is very bad and making Spotify look more appealing as they just have a banner message.

 

[nt5672]

Who said I didn't.

I mean this with all due respect, are you black — or a visible minority? I'm not trying to invalidate your perspective (the opposite, I value it) it's just that it is hard to find racism if you would not typically be the target of it. it's a perspective thing, you know, some things are very subtle because the effects are not obvious. Some of the most damaging acts of racism are not overt. The obvious ones are sometimes easier to ignore, it's subtle ones do the longest-lasting damage.

. . . .

I was the target of racism. As a White, I went to an 80+% black Jr High School. I routinely had my head bashed walking down the hall when there were no other Whites around. I was threatened routinely. My grades were reduced to match the class. My best friend was Mexican and my second best friend was black. I was asked to give up a wrestling match because blacks in the stands, there were no Whites, threatened to riot if I won. I survived by treating people with respect and having minority friends stand up for me. But there were still bad actors that did not care. In my late twenties, I went back to my grade school to play basketball with the company team where I worked. I was the only White in the gym. Yep it was subtle, but still there. So I definitely know.

I have definitely seen improvements and it is only because of the friends that stood up for me that I am not racist and because I was taught to treat people how I wanted to be treated, not how I was treated.

Blacks can be just a racist and that is what we have here. No proof that racism is involved, but lets jump to conclusion and make the media, corporations and politicians some more money. As long as we have this race baiting for profits and votes racism will never end.

 

[NickName99]

I was the target of racism. As a White, I went to an 80+% black Jr High School. I routinely had my head bashed walking down the hall when there were no other Whites around. I was threatened routinely. My grades were reduced to match the class. My best friend was Mexican and my second best friend was black. I was asked to give up a wrestling match because blacks in the stands, there were no Whites, threatened to riot if I won. I survived by treating people with respect and having minority friends stand up for me. But there were still bad actors that did not care. In my late twenties, I went back to my grade school to play basketball with the company team where I worked. I was the only White in the gym. Yep it was subtle, but still there. So I definitely know.

I have definitely seen improvements and it is only because of the friends that stood up for me that I am not racist and because I was taught to treat people how I wanted to be treated, not how I was treated.

Blacks can be just a racist and that is what we have here. No proof that racism is involved, but lets jump to conclusion and make the media, corporations and politicians some more money. As long as we have this race baiting for profits and votes racism will never end.

All this tells me is that you should know better.

 

[Websnapx2]

Apple, you're not helping. All you're doing is preaching to the choir and piss*ng everyone else off.

I pay for a service and right now Apple is taking my money and not giving it to me. Tim Cook wants his woke-boy brownie points he can do it on his own damn dime.

It's about disruption so it did, in fact, help as it sparked a lot of discussions both in these pages and in many others across the web today.

The service you paid for is still completely functional — you can stream all the music you want, search for anything you want, share anything you want and you can even use Siri to initiate it. All you cannot to — for one day — is leverage to "browse" feature or Beats1 feature. So of the 5 tabs of the service, you are still able to utilize 3/5ths of the service for one day...

Huh, 3/5ths... for one day? I have heard of worse deals.

 

[Ethosik]

All this tells me is that you should know better.

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Okay so lets make something clear. I do NOT agree that a service should suffer for this. I am fine with every state, every PERSON, every CITY, every possible person in the country protesting, as this is where the voice gets heard. How will Apple Music make this situation get heard?

So I am a bad guy for finding it irritating that a service I PAY FOR is now suffering limitations because of this? When it won't solve anything? Seriously? That makes me a bad guy? Okay. I have about had it with this world.

I am against all forms of racism. Treat people the way you want to be treated. I am all for the movement. But the minute I find an issue with something Apple is doing, I am now suddenly against all of this?! Wow.

 

[BigMcGuire]

It's about disruption so it did, in fact, help as it sparked a lot of discussions both in these pages and in many others across the web today.

The service you paid for is still completely functional — you can stream all the music you want, search for anything you want, share anything you want and you can even use Siri to initiate it. All you cannot to — for one day — is leverage to "browse" feature or Beats1 feature. So of the 5 tabs of the service, you are still able to utilize 3/5ths of the service for one day...

Huh, 3/5ths... for one day? I have heard of worse deals.

I always listen to Apple Music via the Radio function - I create a "station" based on the artists I like and spend weeks/months using the like / dislike feature to craft stations to different moods I am in whether it be reading, studying, exercising, etc.

I'd just like to add that I can't get to any of that music I usually listen to. Not going to kill me, but it's what brought me here to this thread today.

Also like to add that I've found your posts very informative and have enjoyed reading/learning.

 

[Ethosik]

It's about disruption so it did, in fact, help as it sparked a lot of discussions both in these pages and in many others across the web today.

The service you paid for is still completely functional — you can stream all the music you want, search for anything you want, share anything you want and you can even use Siri to initiate it. All you cannot to — for one day — is leverage to "browse" feature or Beats1 feature. So of the 5 tabs of the service, you are still able to utilize 3/5ths of the service for one day...

Huh, 3/5ths... for one day? I have heard of worse deals.

Putting fuel in a massive fire is not helpful. The country is already suffering from looting and riots. Adding fuel to this by such a massive disruption in services is not helping.

 

[Haust]

I sent an email to customer service. If they do not compensate me for this denial of services that I pay for, I will cancel and likely not purchase another Apple anything. It is not their place to deny me what I pay for to serve their political ends!

 

[Ethosik]

I sent an email to customer service. If they do not compensate me for this denial of services that I pay for, I will cancel and likely not purchase another Apple anything. It is not their place to deny me what I pay for to serve their political ends!

Yep. They are hurting their business. Spotify is looking much more appealing. I am usually 100% Apple. I have nothing but Macs, iPads, iPhones and all of Apple Services and almost all of their software packages. I love Apple to death but this was a very very VERY bad move.