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[laptech]

Turns out the dead man had a violent criminal past

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terror…

nypost.com

a career criminal !!! blacklivesmatter...yeah right.

 

[t76turbo]

Throw your dictionary away. Its obviously failing you.
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Oh no, now Apple will surely go out of business!

I dont care what you think keyboard commando. I am a consumer like all the other subscribers to their service. And I, like probably others, will not be subscribing. Mainly due to the hypocrisy they show on a daily basis. IF this wasnt about some minority group, Apple wouldnt even bat an eye.

And I am a stock holder. I own hundreds and hundreds of shares of apple and I use their products every chance I can. But sometimes you need to 'voice your opinion' when appropriate just as apple feels they are voicing theirs by stopping the service people are paying for. Sorry to see that they can voice theirs without question but others cannot.

Very sad you cant see that.

 

[MecPro]

Turns out the dead man had a violent criminal past

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terror…

nypost.com

a career criminal !!! blacklivesmatter...yeah right.

So he committed crimes in the past and deserved to be killed?

 

[BigMcGuire]

So he committed crimes in the past and deserved to be killed?

Whoa, that's a bit of an outlandish conclusion! Or was that the intent? I don't think anyone is saying that he deserved to be killed. I sure don't think so.

That's why the police officer got arrested and those around him fired, right?

 

[t76turbo]

The figures that are available for incidents in which the police shoot and kill people show that for African-Americans, there's a much higher chance of being fatally shot relative to their overall numbers in the US population.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52877678

So you think every 'result' should be based purely on percent of the total population?

That is very unrealistic. There are more than enough crime statistics that show blacks commit more crime per capita than other races. Therefore they have many more chances to have both good and bad interactions with the law.

You can argue that there are reasons for them having more interaction and we should work on those. The police tend to patrol areas of town more frequently that have higher crime levels. Low crime areas get much less supervision. Unfortunately the high crime areas tend to be areas that blacks live in. I wish that wasnt true. But they do have more interactions BECAUSE they are involved in illegal activities at a dis-proportionally high level. There are lots of stereo types that are unfortunately based in fact.

 

[MecPro]

Whoa, that's a bit of an outlandish conclusion! Or was that the intent? I don't think anyone is saying that he deserved to be killed. I sure don't think so.

That's why the police officer got arrested and those around him fired, right?

No I’m saying he didn’t!

I don’t understand his point then. He had committed crimes, he potentially used a forged dollar.

OK

But why should that be used as some type of “gotcha”

 

[laptech]

No I’m saying he didn’t!

I don’t understand his point then. He had committed crimes, he potentially used a forged dollar.

OK

But why should that be used as some type of “gotcha”

The point being bad people should be 'outted' for the bad they do. The police officers have been 'outted' for the bad they have done towards Mr Floyd but the badness that Mr Floyd has inflicted onto others has gone unreported. Mr Flloyd is not the 'good man/angel' that the media and his supporters are portraying him out to be. Mr Flloyd was a violent career criminal and it should be known.

 

[BigMcGuire]

No I’m saying he didn’t!

I don’t understand his point then. He had committed crimes, he potentially used a forged dollar.

OK

But why should that be used as some type of “gotcha”

(I'm trying to assume what other people are saying here (within the -----s)):
---------------------------

Playing the devil's advocate here because I'm not who you originally quoted (I apologize for stepping in) - but my assumption is their thinking goes something like this:

People are usually creatures of habit. The term "career criminal" was made because of that reoccurrence. Usually those with a record (NOT ALL) have a habit of doing various things that get them in trouble.

So to imply that this person was some innocent, passive, just like the rest of us --- is not the case. (This is the point they're trying to make I think). Video shows him struggling with officers (NBC link) above.

--------------------------- (End of me assuming what others are saying).

Devil's advocate hat off (BigMcGuire talking here): Death is never excused. Leaning on a man's neck for 9 minutes is insane. Granted, I've seen police do this my entire life and always wondered what it felt like to be under the weight of a 200+ pound man - can't be all that comfortable. <cringe>. :/. Very unfortunate series of events.

 

[MecPro]

The point being bad people should be 'outted' for the bad they do. The police officers have been 'outted' for the bad they have done towards Mr Floyd but the badness that Mr Floyd has inflicted onto others has gone unreported. Mr Flloyd is not the 'good man/angel' that the media and his supporters are portraying him out to be. Mr Flloyd was a violent career criminal and it should be known.

The news stories immediately said he was arrested attempting to use a fake bill, had drug issues before and his criminal past.

None of this excuses him being killed.


If you want to play that game, the cop who killed him has two previous shootings, one killing a man and 18-20 write ups.

Then you said “Black Lives Matter....yeah right”. So you’re saying one man commits a crime and that means every other black life doesn't matter?

 

[steve62388]

So you think every 'result' should be based purely on percent of the total population?

That is very unrealistic. There are more than enough crime statistics that show blacks commit more crime per capita than other races. Therefore they have many more chances to have both good and bad interactions with the law.

You can argue that there are reasons for them having more interaction and we should work on those. The police tend to patrol areas of town more frequently that have higher crime levels. Low crime areas get much less supervision. Unfortunately the high crime areas tend to be areas that blacks live in. I wish that wasnt true. But they do have more interactions BECAUSE they are involved in illegal activities at a dis-proportionally high level. There are lots of stereo types that are unfortunately based in fact.

In 2019 data of all police killings in the country compiled by Mapping Police Violence, black Americans were nearly three times more likely to die from police than white Americans. Other statistics showed that black Americans were nearly one-and-a-half times more likely to be unarmed before their death.

Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/

So the question this raises is, ‘why’?

 

[happyprozak]

As a person who is clean-cut, with no charges, not convictions, a squeaky-clean record, solid, long-term employment for decades and is generally polite in all my interactions, I have had my hands in cuffs and in a squad car more times than I can count. Usually, because I was in too nice of a car, in an area I was unexpected to be in, or the size of the group I was in was "unsettling". Every time I was let go — warned about something I was never doing — and expected just understand that my time and my privacy was immaterial to a flex of power... often just hoping to trip us up.

Not all cops do this — but even the "good" ones stay silent when their bothers over-reach. We need them to do better, and they need to be held accountable for when they come up short. We rely on them for order, protection, and maintaining the peace and therefor must be held to a higher, if not more equal, standard.

A police force that is more aggressive is part of the cost of living in a high crime area, it is unfortunate but it's important to understand the situation from both the point of view of the police officers as well as the average citizen. Everyone expects the police to understand the average citizen but nobody cares about the point of view of the police officer.

I agree that cops who remain silent are a problem and they make their whole profession look bad but police officers aren't universally united. Police officers have their own set of problems they can run into for standing up to abuse. I read about a group of police officers who were suing their department because they were harassed and attacked by clicks of other police officers. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Then there is the issue that the trade law enforcement naturally attracts individuals who seek power and are susceptible to abusing it.

There is work to be done on all sides.

 

[mzeb]

So you think I should have my mental state suffer MORE by not distressing and relaxing during this time? Wow.

In short, yes. If you think your day of suffering the loss of a feature in a music app outweighs standing with millions of people suffering loss of life and livelihood that is your call. But yes, this is your chance to step up.

 

[happyprozak]

In 2019 data of all police killings in the country compiled by Mapping Police Violence, black Americans were nearly three times more likely to die from police than white Americans. Other statistics showed that black Americans were nearly one-and-a-half times more likely to be unarmed before their death.

Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/

So the question this raises is, ‘why’?

Asking why is a great question but the truth may be uncomfortable to hear for many. In the media you cannot say anything negative about the black community, even if it is true because if you do you are deemed an ignorant racist, facts cease to stop mattering.

With statistics you have to be careful because they can be manipulated to paint a picture that is distorted. You definitely have to look at the details and specifics behind each situation. For example, you can show statistically that if you are male, you are much more likely to end up incarcerated than if you were female. This statistic can then be placed out in the public sphere to rile up people to claim gender discrimination. Then you bring out a separate statistic that shows that men are more likely to commit crimes and the claim of gender discrimination is argued out or can at least explain a portion of what is going on.

Going back to your question, without looking at any specifics, the general rule of thumb is that the lower a community is in the economic social ladder, the higher the crime rate will be and the more aggressive the law enforcement will react within the community.

It also happens to be that minority groups are more likely to live and grow up in such communities.

Education and economic opportunities are the best way to solve all of these race problems.

 

[icanhazmac]

So the question this raises is, ‘why’?

Again as poeple keep asking why I offer for consideration and civil discussion a possible reason:

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

Black americans also commit a largely disproportionate number of crimes versus their percentage of the population. One could surmise that this increases their negative interractions with law enforcement resulting in the disproportionately large number of deaths.

So the question this raises is, 'why'? Instead of looting and burning cities perhaps everyone involved (of all races and colors) should take a moment of quiet reflection and ask "what can I do to better my community", such as joining law enforcement, getting elected to office, etc. If you think all cops are bad, become one! Enact change from within.

 

[techwhiz]

That Nazi thing is pretty hilarious. It just marks you as profoundly indoctrinated into a set of ideas that are not amenable to correction by reality. Tight rhetoric though. I bet it sounds great over a loudspeaker right before you encourage people to go smash stuff.

Systematic racism is an academic concept that was invented to explain events that do not fit a set of assumptions which do not fit reality. The main assumption is all groups if unperturbed would have equal outcomes in all areas. Since that doesnt fit reality the theory was adapted to explain it away. However, since it doesn’t fit reality it is believable only to people who accept its other worldly assumptions- basically heavily indoctrinated ideologues. To explain the academic theory I will give an example. Blacks have higher rate of cardiac fatality. The reasons are complicated, but because of an underlying theory from ideologues if you don’t want to have to think about it you just say - its systematic racism.

No you just do't get it or you do and you just want to play dumb.
The comparison to Nazi Germany was to show that eugenics didn't start there but here and they adopted their eugenics movement from post civil war America. People can talk about the mistreatment of Jews at the hands of nazis but it's not okay to draw a parallel to the mistreatment that Black folks in America have seen for 100 years after slavery.
It was also to demonstrate that America has a past of human experimentation and sterilization of Black people and other people of color.

You argue that systematic, institutionalized racism is fiction the doesn't fit reality.
So you are so ignorant to say that 100+ years of Apartheid in America didn't exist?
So there was no Jim Crow, No Black Codes, no segregation?
There was no denial of education, housing or employment?
City charters never had exclusions to selling or renting to Black people?
Banks and insurance companies never discriminated against Black people as a policy?
There was never any discrimination in the US military?
What I just described seems to be systematic, institutionalized and pervasive at its core.

You you try to spout a bunch of academic terms to make your argument seem legit.
So if you can't impress with intelligence, baffle with bull excrement?

And if Bank of America didn't have a dirty past on race relations, you can best believe they would not be pledging $1 Billion, that billion with a B for economic development and health services in Black communities.

 

[and 1989 others]

Does anybody know, how many subscriptions got cancelled yesterday? I saw scores of people across all platforms state they were cancelling.

 

[techwhiz]

Does anybody know, how many subscriptions got cancelled yesterday? I saw scores of people across all platforms state they were cancelling.

I doubt it was enough to matter.

 

[happyprozak]

Turns out the dead man had a violent criminal past

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terror…

nypost.com

a career criminal !!! blacklivesmatter...yeah right.

Whenever you have these situations and you have facts like this that mainstream media does not report, you give ammo to the Trump supporters because it makes sham news organizations like Fox News look good and by extension, it gives the impression their lies are the truth.

With that said, a violent past will give police officers a reason to be more cautious but it does not give police officers the right to abuse and use unnecessary force.

I am still waiting to see reports on what occurred immediately before Floyd George was pinned to the ground. The video footage I've seen shows George Floyd being arrested and calmly being taken to a police vehicle. He appears to fall down onto the ground at one point but it is unclear what led to the fall. There is also footage where you see Floyd George being placed behind a police cruiser and then you see a police officer struggling with him but it is unclear why that was.

Even if force was necessary to control Floyd George, they clearly had him under control when he was on the ground for several minutes. I see no reason why you would need multiple police officers putting their full weight throughout his whole body, especially on his neck, for several straight minutes.

Surely, police forces must have better tactics to control an individual than to require 3 officers to basically sit on him for several minutes.

I'm sure many of us want to hear from the police officers why they decided to pull him out of the back of the cruiser and to pin him down the way they did. And is the way they pinned him down a police technique that is taught in the academy?

 

[techwhiz]

Whenever you have these situations and you have facts like this that mainstream media does not report, you give ammo to the Trump supporters because it makes sham news organizations like Fox News look good and by extension, it gives the impression their lies are the truth.

With that said, a violent past will give police officers a reason to be more cautious but it does not give police officers the right to abuse and use unnecessary force.

I am still waiting to see reports on what occurred immediately before Floyd George was pinned to the ground. The video footage I've seen shows George Floyd being arrested and calmly being taken to a police vehicle. He appears to fall down onto the ground at one point but it is unclear what led to the fall. There is also footage where you see Floyd George being placed behind a police cruiser and then you see a police officer struggling with him but it is unclear why that was.

Even if force was necessary to control Floyd George, they clearly had him under control when he was on the ground for several minutes. I see no reason why you would need multiple police officers putting their full weight throughout his whole body, especially on his neck, for several straight minutes.

Surely, police forces must have better tactics to control an individual than to require 3 officers to basically sit on him for several minutes.

I'm sure many of us want to hear from the police officers why they decided to pull him out of the back of the cruiser and to pin him down the way they did. And is the way they pinned him down a police technique that is taught in the academy?

The problem with the narrative; "he had a violent past", is that they could not have known any of that when they put him in cuffs and killed him.
All video shows him compliant and cooperative. So there goes the narrative of "just do what your are told and nothing bad happens".

The knee in the neck is not an approved hold.
It was not necessary.
They lied on their report saying he was combative.
Intent can change in an instant.
Once he was on the ground and indicting he was having trouble breathing and they didn't check; intent changed.
When he became unconscious and they didn't bother to check; their intent to murder was clear.

It was first degree murder.
It was not just dereliction of duty or negligence.
I'll say it agin.
If a white guy passed a bad bill.
He gets pulled to the side and they check his wallet.
If he only has the single bad bill they assume he got it somewhere.
They take his name.
Release him and further investigate.

A black man passes a fake bill and the assumption is that he did it intentionally and must be part of a larger conspiracy.
He is cuffed and arrested.

 

[compwiz1202]

Hmmm it's pride month, is Apple going to make us listen to Scissor Sisters, Elton John and Cher for the rest of the month? (I'm gay, just making a point.)

I'm all about advocacy, and speaking out, but a company shouldn't FORCE its views on others. There should be an opt out, for those not wanting to be involved.

Exactly. I think it would be cool if they highlighted different groups' music every week or month rotation, but don't block all other content in the process.

 

[icanhazmac]

Whenever you have these situations and you have facts like this that mainstream media does not report, you give ammo to the Trump supporters because it makes sham news organizations like Fox News look good and by extension, it gives the impression their lies are the truth.

#Bebetter, this needless statement just takes away from an otherwise constructive post. The mainstream media (meaning all of them) should at all times be impartial and provide all pertinent details of a story. Specifically neglecting any information discredits the story, the writer and the outlet because it indicates supporting a narrative versus accurate reporting.

PS - Foxnews didn't create that content, it was the NYPost

With that said, a violent past will give police officers a reason to be more cautious but it does not give police officers the right to abuse and use unnecessary force.

Could not agree more! A suspects past will indeed change how they are treated but as you pointed out it is no reason for excessive deadly force. He was handcuffed and facedown, he wasn't going anywhere fast, I would think a simple hand in the middle of the back will keep him in place.

Even if force was necessary to control Floyd George, they clearly had him under control when he was on the ground for several minutes. I see no reason why you would need multiple police officers putting their full weight throughout his whole body, especially on his neck, for several straight minutes.

Surely, police forces must have better tactics to control an individual than to require 3 officers to basically sit on him for several minutes.

There was only 1 officer involved in the knee to the neck for minutes footage that I have seen.

I'm sure many of us want to hear from the police officers why they decided to pull him out of the back of the cruiser and to pin him down the way they did. And is the way they pinned him down a police technique that is taught in the academy?

I heard or read at one point that Mr Floyd claimed to be claustrophobic and that is why they didn't put him in the car or took him out of the car. It was also posted in this thread that the pinning technique was controversial but not illegal in Minnesota.

 

[happyprozak]

The problem with the narrative; "he had a violent past", is that they could not have known any of that when they put him in cuffs and killed him.
All video shows him compliant and cooperative. So there goes the narrative of "just do what your are told and nothing bad happens".

The knee in the neck is not an approved hold.
It was not necessary.
They lied on their report saying he was combative.
Intent can change in an instant.
Once he was on the ground and indicting he was having trouble breathing and they didn't check; intent changed.
When he became unconscious and they didn't bother to check; their intent to murder was clear.

It was first degree murder.
It was not just dereliction of duty or negligence.
I'll say it agin.
If a white guy passed a bad bill.
He gets pulled to the side and they check his wallet.
If he only has the single bad bill they assume he got it somewhere.
They take his name.
Release him and further investigate.

A black man passes a fake bill and the assumption is that he did it intentionally and must be part of a larger conspiracy.
He is cuffed and arrested.

Is there video of all moments on what happened? I still haven't seen better footage of when Floyd George falls. Was he tripped? Did he purposefully fall on the ground? And what happened when he was in the police cruiser? A police officer is shown with half his body in the vehicle appearing to be struggling with Floyd George. Maybe Floyd George was having a panic attack or maybe he was struggling.

Mainstream media has a horrible track record in reporting these issues. They want to be first out of the gate with a news story and they fail to cover important details before releasing these types of stories. Then when the details start trickling in we see a different picture being painted but it's too late because most people have already made up their minds.

 

[techwhiz]

A police force that is more aggressive is part of the cost of living in a high crime area, it is unfortunate but it's important to understand the situation from both the point of view of the police officers as well as the average citizen. Everyone expects the police to understand the average citizen but nobody cares about the point of view of the police officer.

I agree that cops who remain silent are a problem and they make their whole profession look bad but police officers aren't universally united. Police officers have their own set of problems they can run into for standing up to abuse. I read about a group of police officers who were suing their department because they were harassed and attacked by clicks of other police officers. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Then there is the issue that the trade law enforcement naturally attracts individuals who seek power and are susceptible to abusing it.

There is work to be done on all sides.

You assume a high crime area when he states that he was "in too nice a car in an area he was not expected to be in".
You assumption creates the narrative that this only happens in high crime areas.
The opposite is true.
I get pulled over in affluent neighborhoods that I live in driving a car that the cops deemed was out of my price range.
So here I am, a Black guy that lives in an affluent neighborhood.
Drives a nice car.
Educated with multiple degrees.
Clean cut.
Doing nothing but going about my day.
Car is pristine, everything working.
I signal and drive within the speed limit and I still get the lights.
Explain????

My cousin, same situation, only he IS a cop.
Pulled over because the cop ran the plate and it came back "Confidential" to the agency he works for.
Most cops would assume they are dealing with another LEO.
Nope, because he is Black the cop assumed he was driving someone else's car.
Cops - "what are you doing in this neighborhood?"
Cousin - "I live around here."
Cops says - "driving your wife's car? She in dispatch or something?"
Cousin - "I'm LEO for the county. Here is my ID."
Cop - "Do you have your gun?"
Cousin - "Yes".
Cop - "Keep your hands where I can see them."

WTF - He's a LEO!!!!
If you are Black, the assumption is that you are a criminal or not qualified.

 

[icanhazmac]

Is there video of all moments on what happened? I still haven't seen better footage of when Floyd George falls. Was he tripped? Did he purposefully fall on the ground? And what happened when he was in the police cruiser? A police officer is shown with half his body in the vehicle appearing to be struggling with Floyd George. Maybe Floyd George was having a panic attack or maybe he was struggling.

PS - His name was George Floyd

 

[Professor Rucy]

I doubt it was enough to matter.

Nor was Apple’s “awareness” campaign.

So, are we allowed to listen to music again today regardless of the artists’ skin color? Or does Apple have another social cause they want to shove down our throats today that I haven’t read about?