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I appreciate your response and offer the following:

Categorically untrue. An Autopsy was performed and there is video evidence from multiple viewpoints. You should be asking yourself why you feel you need it not to be murder (you are not the DA, needing to debate it does nothing).

As I am sure you know there are multiple autopsies at the moment that reflect a different cause of death. The second, which supports asphyxiation, was a "paid for" second opinion and as such could be questioned.

Source: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/06/9849564/what-is-mechanical-asphyxia-meaning

I do not feel that it does not need to be murder, it might be. I simply challenged another's statement that it was murder when that has not been established. I felt the other poster was using the word murder to dramatize his point.

How you handle change for everyone is to address the ones affected most disproportionately first, which then makes wider sweeping changes easier.

Ok, then how do we change the fact that african americans also commit a disproportionarely large number of crimes relative to their percentage of the population which increases their interactions with law enforcement?

Source: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

Officers are trained — he knew well what his actions were causing. You don't put your knee on someone's neck — even for a short period of time — as that is not a method of restraint authorized by the Police Code.

Careful what you wish for... if this officer willingly committed premeditated murder in broad daylight while being filmed by multiple sources I see a temporary insanity plea coming.

Think about that, who would in broad daylight and while being filmed knowingly suffocate a person in that manner? If that was premeditated then that is one scary, insane individual.

IMHO the officer was simply an a**hole who pushed it too far and there is next to no way he won't pay the price but establishing "murder 1" will probably not happen.
 
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I have not opened your link and have not been following your comments. I just want to say that while the BBC used to have my respect and millions of others, it unfortunately is not the unbiased reliable source it once was. It has caved in to the Boris Johnson regime, sanctioned news readers and programs who have been telling the public what they need to hear and as a result, is becoming a bit like Fox in the US (shudder). It is sad that the vast majority of the US media is too fearful. too paid off or just not interested in reporting the facts. If Watergate happened today, we would never hear of it. Difficult to have serious discussions today when many of the residents of all countries are so ill-informed.

The BBC is widely considered a reputable news organisation. What news organisations do you consider reputable?

On a personal note I think they they get the balance pretty spot on. Why? Because both the left and right complain they’re biased against them. Do they make mistakes sometimes? Sure, every news organisation does, but they end up getting held to account and when appropriate issue retractions and apologies.
 
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I have not opened your link and have not been following your comments. I just want to say that while the BBC used to have my respect and millions of others, it unfortunately is not the unbiased reliable source it once was. It has caved in to the Boris Johnson regime, sanctioned news readers and programs who have been telling the public what they need to hear and as a result, is becoming a bit like Fox in the US (shudder). It is sad that the vast majority of the US media is too fearful. too paid off or just not interested in reporting the facts. If Watergate happened today, we would never hear of it. Difficult to have serious discussions today when many of the residents of all countries are so ill-informed.
Here is the thing about an informed opinion — you have to actually read dissenting information to actually form one of value. if you had clicked on the link you would have seen that the info — while being reported by the BBC — is reporting based on the US Census collected data. Non-biased, non-specialty group — hard data.
 
Everyone here complaining about their paid service can quit AM and ask for a refund. But stop complaining that for ONE DAY Apple and the rest of the world is screaming out for your attention. I’m not going to bother replying to the shortsighted comments on here.

So we are never allowed to complain when we feel like Apple is doing something wrong? Got it. It doesn't matter if its just for one day. I am paying for a service that is interrupted INTENTIONALLY. Unintentional outages like internet outages and server issues are another thing. This is INTENTIONAL. I work hard for my money and don't want to waste it.
 
Not really — as video evidence has shown repeatedly that many of the instigators were not part of the protests.
Really, how do you determine who is part of the protest and who is not? I mean, do they wear special badges or something? Maybe from the shaking smarthphone videos you are capable to distinguish protestors from instigators, but I cannot. So no, there are no evidence at all. There are statments of journalists interpreting some random videos, nothing else. Anyway, any person outside on the street during curfew is by definition instigator.
 
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I see this as an accident on the job. People die every day on the job, yes it is sad and unfortunate, but it is not a reason to riot and loot the country,
It was an illegal retraining move. If he was resisting arrest and in the scuffle, he hit his head, that would be one thing — but we are talking about trained officers that we require to be responsible for the public — to be the best of us — they need to be held to a higher level of accountability.

and Apple WTF - i dont want to listen to your crap music!!!I want to listen to what I want.
You can listen to whatever you want — just search it or play it out of your own library. It's all still there.

This is a storm in a teacup.
 
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That is a personal attack from you to call me selfish. I did not attack you. Once you go for a personal attack, you lose the argument. The goal is to recognize that all lives matter. To just say Black Lives Matter ignores the basic fundamental understanding that All Lives Matter.

It is actually more than that. We have no proof yet that this example of police brutality was racially motivated. All we have is a jump to conclusions by the media, corporations, politicians, Hollywood, etc. in order to justify violence, race baiting, profits, and anarchy.

Bad cops are bad cops. This particular cop has done this before and didn't get the message. And we may find that he is/was a racist, but we do not know that today. But the issue is that he should spend a lot of time in jail regardless of whether he is racist or not.

I agree that the police force does not police itself well. So I agree with the peaceful protests, but not the violence and anarchy.

I had a white friend who was a well respected trainer in hand to hand combat that was roughed up during traffic stop by a white cop. My friend knew that to resist was silly so he just took it with no resistance then paid his speeding ticket.

Eight moths later he got, maybe manufactured through his connections, the opportunity to train this department and he selected this cop in particular for his examples in front of his peers. Did not turn out well at all for the cop either on the training mat or administratively afterwords when the truth came out. But this rarely happens. However the point is, this cop was just a bad cop, nothing more. He probably roughed up all races. He was probably an equal opportunity abuser.

The problem is that bad cops are not identified and prosecuted. Anything that removes bad cops is good.

The problem with making this current issue about racism is that it does nothing to address the general abuse by police.

So what people are really saying is that it is ok to kill Mexicans, Chinese, Koreans, Whites, etc., just don't dare to do it to Blacks. Well that in itself is racist and until we get over that we will never come together as a peaceful loving country.

Of course, the media and politicians do not want a non-racist, peaceful, loving country. There is no profit in that for either.
 
This is in and of itself racist! This is more political racial segregation propaganda being shoved down our throats. I’ve had enough. Don’t you see how media manipulates the masses? This is no better than saying only blacks can use that restroom because only black bladders matter. music is my last coveted leisure and you start messing with people’s leisure’s that’s a dangerous game.
People are too stupid to see two steps in front of them to know they’re being manipulated and controlled through racial tension segregation propaganda. You only know what the television tells you. What is shown in front of you.
Iam done with Apple. Done with Apple Music, iCloud, iMessage I’m done using them as a bank I’m done using Apple TV I’m cutting them out of my life. When the tools and toysyou use start to manipulate you that’swhen they’ve gone too far. I grinned and bared it with all the homosexual support and I didn’t agree with that. But hey I get it. Lottapeople wanna live in sin goahead. But this?! This is where I draw the line. Goodbye Apple you lost me as a customer.
 
It’s literally ONE day. The fact that you and other people are focusing on something this small and saying “this is tragic and needs justice, BUT....” is really a shame.

People pay for cable and channels, but sometimes BREAKING NEWS takes over for hours. Do people complain then?

Are you calling George Floyd's death small?

I am unable to browse for kids content to entertain my child while I work from home in quarantine which was the whole reason I subscribed to the service.
 
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This is in and of itself racist! This is more political racial segregation propaganda being shoved down our throats. I’ve had enough. Don’t you see how media manipulates the masses? This is no better than saying only blacks can use that restroom because only black bladders matter. music is my last coveted leisure and you start messing with people’s leisure’s that’s a dangerous game.
People are too stupid to see two steps in front of them to know they’re being manipulated and controlled through racial tension segregation propaganda. You only know what the television tells you. What is shown in front of you.
Iam done with Apple. Done with Apple Music, iCloud, iMessage I’m done using them as a bank I’m done using Apple TV I’m cutting them out of my life. When the tools and toysyou use start to manipulate you that’swhen they’ve gone too far. I grinned and bared it with all the homosexual support and I didn’t agree with that. But hey I get it. Lottapeople wanna live in sin goahead. But this?! This is where I draw the line. Goodbye Apple you lost me as a customer.
There’s no point in getting that wound up about what some corporation does for PR purposes. They all do it so if you want to boycott Apple then you'll need to boycott Google as well. The only thing you can change is you. You can’t worry about what other people do
 
You can still use the search function to find music or the "radio stations". Even though I subscribe to Apple Music I mostly listen to Spotify.

Virtue signaling by white people about the problems of minorities only impresses other white people

Apple should clearly state that on their page. I closed the app once I saw that not realizing I could still search.
 
All lives matter. That’s is all inclusive. If we just say “Black Lives Matter”...What about Asian Lives Matter? What about LGBT Lives? What about Native American Lives? It’s very narrow minded to just say Black Lives Matter.
Kind of funny that this is all blowing up over a black guy being killed by cops.. but the group of cops were as racially diverse as you can get. It's almost like it isn't cops vs black people, but instead, ****** cops against everyone. I mean, it was literally a white cop, a black cop, and asian cop, and a hispanic cop.
 
I really find it insulting and inappropriate to block features for paying customers. Regardless of what is going on in the world, people listen to music to relax. Being bombarded with this issue 24/7 is not good for several people's mental health that is already suffering from covid's social distancing.
Agreed. YouTube bombarding me with COVID-19 advertisements was driving me crazy as it is. When I want to get away and relax after work I don’t want to be bombarded with the current political news
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Apple should clearly state that on their page. I closed the app once I saw that not realizing I could still search.
Then it really would look like virtue signaling instead of how deeply they care about the community.😂😂
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Kind of funny that this is all blowing up over a black guy being killed by cops.. but the group of cops were as racially diverse as you can get. It's almost like it isn't cops vs black people, but instead, ****** cops against everyone. I mean, it was literally a white cop, a black cop, and asian cop, and a hispanic cop.
Shhh... No one wants to hear rational thought and logic
 
Oh wow...complaining about a disruption in Apple Music. Imagine if your entire life (or existence) was interrupted by a bad cop due to the color of your skin.

PAY ATTENTION. THE WORLD IS SPEAKING. LISTEN. UP.

They don't get it.
EVerytime a cop pulls behind me I wonder if today is the day I get handcuffed or beaten for "driving while black".
I have been pulled over for being in the wrong neighborhood in a nice car. Mind you I live in that neighborhood.
I have been pulled over and taken out of my car because I or the car looked like one involved in illegal activity.
That was an excuse to stop me.
I have never been arrested.
I have never been in any trouble.
I have multiple degrees in engineering.
I'm a Mensa member.
None of that matters because for a lot of people all I am is black.
 
Murder, in this case, has not been established. Willful neglect, or allowing someone to die while rendering no aid seems a no brainer but please, stop saying murder as a way to dramatize your viewpoint.


People of all colors are killed during interactions with law enforcement, IMHO very few were murdered by the legal definition of the word. We should, via constructive means, be working to minimize the numbers of unnecessary deaths.

George Floyd died an unfortunate and unneccesary death but he was most likely not murdered. Only the officer responsible knows for sure if he committed a premeditated killing or if he was just an a**hole who failed to render aid to someone in custody who was experiencing a medical emergency.

He died of asphyxiation. Are you not following the news? The officer is charged with 3rd degree murder, which the video corroborates, as does eyewitness testimony, as does the autopsy.

 
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They don't get it.
EVerytime a cop pulls behind me I wonder if today is the day I get handcuffed or beaten for "driving while black".
I have been pulled over for being in the wrong neighborhood in a nice car. Mind you I live in that neighborhood.
I have been pulled over and taken out of my car because I or the car looked like one involved in illegal activity.
That was an excuse to stop me.
I have never been arrested.
I have never been in any trouble.
I have multiple degrees in engineering.
I'm a Mensa member.
None of that matters because for a lot of people all I am is black.
So pausing Apple Music for a day will fix this how? I’d pause Apple Music permanently if I thought it would make all things rosey in the world. It’s just the latest headline and everyone’s going jump on it and pretend they care but in a month they’ll be talking about some other new story of the day
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Difficult to take this seriously while Apple has not said a peep about the oppression, censorship, and tyranny of the CCP.
That’s because the CCP is over them making iPhones. If the police made iPhones you wouldn’t hear a peep from Apple about this either 😂
 
Agreed. YouTube bombarding me with COVID-19 advertisements was driving me crazy as it is. When I want to get away and relax after work I don’t want to be bombarded with the current political news
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Then it really would look like virtue signaling instead of how deeply they care about the community.😂😂
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Shhh... No one wants to hear rational thought and logic

Yep, Fear = Profits. Hatred = Profits. Outrage = Profits. Apple would not have done this unless they thought it amounted to more profits. Don't be fooled.
 
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Yes it IS about race. Why is it so hard to accept for people that it IS about race?

It's all about race.
White people don't have talks with their children about how to survive a traffic stop.
I had the talk.
I have given my children the talk.
Richard Pryor had a great but sad skit about a traffic stop. Google Richard Pryor traffic stop joke.
It was real then. It's real now.
 
Agreed. YouTube bombarding me with COVID-19 advertisements was driving me crazy as it is. When I want to get away and relax after work I don’t want to be bombarded with the current political news

That is better at least you can still access your recommended and other portions of the page. This is entirely preventing some features from being accessed.
 
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