No one is saying what happened was nothing short of a tragedy and justice must be served.
However, interrupting a service someone is PAYING FOR is not a great way to pull more people to your side and your cause.
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No one is saying what happened was nothing short of a tragedy and justice must be served.
However, interrupting a service someone is PAYING FOR is not a great way to pull more people to your side and your cause.
I can't even see my recents. Good thing I'm using a shared account or I would cancel my account to send a message to Apple.
Switching to Spotify account.
Switching to Spotify account.
You do realize I posted this BEFORE you sent me the statistics right? Also, I have found 10 stats that prove otherwise so not sure why I should trust that one stat.
That so many here are getting the shakes and frothed up about this is good.
The figures that are available for incidents in which the police shoot and kill people show that for African-Americans, there's a much higher chance of being fatally shot relative to their overall numbers in the US population.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52877678
Categorically untrue. An Autopsy was performed and there is video evidence from multiple viewpoints. You should be asking yourself why you feel you need it not to be murder (you are not the DA, needing to debate it does nothing). Also, "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought." Aforethought, meaning careful consideration of what may happen in the future — he had almost 9 minutes of an illegal move of restraint to consider the damage he was doing, which onlookers pleading to get off him saying he was going to die due to his actions. This absolutely meets the requirement for the charge.
They are, but statistics show it is happening at a disproportionate rate for blacks as opposed to other groups. How you handle change for everyone is to address the ones affected most disproportionately first, which then makes wider sweeping changes easier.
Evidence shows otherwise. He was beaten in the car first (there is video evidence of this), then the office kept his knee on his throat for almost 9 minutes while he was handcuffed and pleading for his life while handcuffed. At no point was he shown to be fighting back. Officers are trained — he knew well what his actions were causing. You don't put your knee on someone's neck — even for a short period of time — as that is not a method of restraint authorized by the Police Code.
With all due respect, you are incorrect on this.
It’s literally ONE day. The fact that you and other people are focusing on something this small and saying “this is tragic and needs justice, BUT....” is really a shame.
People pay for cable and channels, but sometimes BREAKING NEWS takes over for hours. Do people complain then?
Is anyone going to actually ask, how the hell do we know that the death of George Floyd was racially motivated? Why? Because the perpetrator was white and the victim was black? Look, if the officer was a racist and he did this out of his racist desires then that's the officer's problem. Not a systemic one. We see time and time again the media jumping on the opportunity to report on a white officer kills black man story. They don't actually care about the context, guilt (or lack thereof), they simply care about white on black violence.
I recently found out about a story where officers were laughing at a white man while killing him. No national headlines.
Yes this was almost definitely murder and this should not have happened, but this black lives matter stuff is quite frankly ridiculous. It takes away from the individuality of George Floyd and is hijacking what happened to him for their own political gain.
I recently found out about a story where officers were laughing at a white man while killing him. No national headlines.
Yes this was almost definitely murder and this should not have happened, but this black lives matter stuff is quite frankly ridiculous. It takes away from the individuality of George Floyd and is hijacking what happened to him for their own political gain.
I have not opened your link and have not been following your comments. I just want to say that while the BBC used to have my respect and millions of others, it unfortunately is not the unbiased reliable source it once was. It has caved in to the Boris Johnson regime, sanctioned news readers and programs who have been telling the public what they need to hear and as a result, is becoming a bit like Fox in the US (shudder). It is sad that the vast majority of the US media is too fearful. too paid off or just not interested in reporting the facts. If Watergate happened today, we would never hear of it. Difficult to have serious discussions today when many of the residents of all countries are so ill-informed.
They also commit a disproportionately large number of crimes relative to their overall numbers in the US population.
Source: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43
No, they haven't — do a search for "hard rock playlist" and results come up. You are complaining because — for one day — it isn't one click away. Everything you want is still there.
This would be fine if it was a free service. But it is paid, and PAYING customers are having their service interrupted because of a (valid) social movement in response to a series of tragedies. At least put an (x) button at the top.
EDIT: Yes, we must end all forms of racism. However, I believe that the private sector should stay out of this. Social movements should be between the people and the state.
EDIT: Yes, we must end all forms of racism. However, I believe that the private sector should stay out of this. Social movements should be between the people and the state.
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Everyone here complaining about their paid service can quit AM and ask for a refund. But stop complaining that for ONE DAY Apple and the rest of the world is screaming out for your attention. I’m not going to bother replying to the shortsighted comments on here.
If you're interested, switch off Fox and travel the world. Because what the man says is true also for me.
That's the point though. I pay Apple for my playlist to be one click away. I pay them for a full service, they are denying that to every paying customer on the planet.
(NB. The distinction between solidarity and consumer rights should be mentioned. I am against racism. I don't mind activism. What I do mind is large corporations with a giant consumer base dictating what I can see and do when I have paid for their service. I do not want them
To politicise a neutral platform)
Bravo Apple.
But did Apple Music get it wrong, and then MacRumors repeated it?
"Black Out" is not the same as "Blackout".
How much does it matter? Language has been super important to this movement. Say even the slightest thing wrong, even unintentionally, and you're brutally attacked by the community. Been there, experienced it.
I even ran a social experiment on Twitter where I was constantly receiving negative responses to my innocent, supportive messages. It's understandable... people are very emotional and reactive right now. But as soon as I changed my profile pic to a fictional black cartoon character, suddenly all of the negative responses stopped. This proved to me that my white skin pre-staged their responses, and it was a losing effort from the start. This makes me sad, but I felt a sigh of relief to be able to continue showing support while no longer being labeled as "the guy who could never understand because he's not part of the community".
We are all part of the community, the global community.
Reverse racism is real and it is one of the elements that adds fuel to the bonfire of racism. I believe it is one of the anchors of Trump's supporters.
You're welcome to do that. Now if your anger has found a way out.
I am shocked at the state America is in now. Completely torn apart, a weak country.
The rest of the world is confused, especially those who always liked the US very much.
When will this circus be over? November 3rd?
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He had a lot of time to think about the results of his actions during that 9 minutes on his neck — with people screaming at him to let him go as he was obviously not a threat at the time with 4 officers on him. If this issue you have is that technicality that "murder is premeditated" — how much time is needed to be premeditated. Before arriving on the scene? before that final action culminating if death? I'm trying to understand when someone's actions start being deliberate. if someone decided to rob a store with a gun but didn't want to actually kill anyone (just scare them to comply) and the gun went off, is that premeditated by that same definition? The officer murdered Floyd — he used an illegal restraining tactic for an extended period of time that he easily could have used to contemplate the severe repercussions of those same actions. He chose not to — that is premeditated. Premeditated does not mean you leave the house in the morning with a plan — it's knowing you have an option (while understanding the potential outcome) and doing it anyway.
In 2019 data of all police killings in the country compiled by Mapping Police Violence, black Americans were nearly three times more likely to die from police than white Americans. Other statistics showed that black Americans were nearly one-and-a-half times more likely to be unarmed before their death.
Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/
African-Americans are arrested for drug abuse at a much higher rate than white Americans, although surveys show drug use at similar levels.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52877678
So if we’re just discussing death at the hands of police officers (as what originally ignited the current troubles) then black Americans are disproportionately killed compared to white Americans despite not being armed as often when killed.
If we‘re discussing crime in general, when reporting overall arrests it does not take into account if a group is disproportionately targeted in the first place. The drug stat I quoted appears to bear that out, however I concede it does not take into consideration if a group puts themselves into a position to get arrested in the first place (eg taking drugs in your own home versus on the street).