Racist??? Seriously? I’ve been around the rap/hip hop game since the early 80’s.
Rap is something you do. Hip hop is a way of life that encompasses rap, break dancing, beat boxing, DJ...etc.
But you need to really explain the “is pretty racist” line
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Apple Music Renames Hip-Hop Playlist to 'Rap Life'
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Racist??? Seriously? I’ve been around the rap/hip hop game since the early 80’s.
Rap is something you do. Hip hop is a way of life that encompasses rap, break dancing, beat boxing, DJ...etc.
But you need to really explain the “is pretty racist” line
you gotta be insane if you don't think De La Soul are rapping and/or rappers... or, maybe not insane, just misinformed..
why are you trying to make some clear cut line between rap and hip-hop? especially when so many hip hop artists are most certainly rappers.. I mean, that's not even arguable yet here you are.. seriously, you're just misinformed and in the majority of cases, these two terms (Rap & Hip-Hop) can be used interchangeably when discussing particular artists.
look man, just go try to inform yourself a little more with an openness to change your opinion on this.. because there is no clear cut distinction between rap and hip-hop.. there never has been and there likely never will be.. there will always be too many crossover cases to make clear line.
at the very least, I think you could learn enough to (clearly) retract your racism statement.
sorry but those analogies don't work.. for the first one, it'd be like calling 'Art' 'Art'.. and the second one, it'd be like calling a banana a banana..
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here.. wanna see a rapper that will almost certainly never be considered hip hop?:
wanna see some rappers who are most definitely hip hop?
still confused? right, because there is no clear cut distinction for outsiders.. just know that Lil Pump is wack
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but Lil Pump would end up on A-List Hip Hop.... and people in the know were like WTF?.. so 'Rap Life' works better for rappers like Lil Pump.. they have commercial success but that's about all they're bringing to the table.
but then there are people like Kendrick Lamar or J Cole who are kings of a play list called A List Hip Hop... or Rap Life.. the words Hip Hop vs Rap don't matter for them.. they're both
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It's not hard to find other music.
You just have to dig a lot deeper.
I don't mind rap, I just prefer grundge era rock, and I don't believe there's a custom radio station for that, while there seemingly endless rap and hip hop stations.
You'd think they could just make one called "Seattle Sound" and pay nothing but Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, STP, Chilli Peppers, etc., etc.
I get it--Hip Hop and rap are the dominant genere's right now. If I want to listen to just random rock as noted above, I just use Sirius XM Lithium or a Pandora station. You'd think Apple could best those other two for this type of thing, but I guess not.
Holy crap!!!!!!!
Lol, the irony of you trying to cry racism & using the phrase: “ignorant whites” is astounding!!!!!
I’ve never heard a more racist comment in my life. Don’t call people “whites” or “blacks”, bro.
That’s horribly racist! WAKE UP.
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A white employee with no knowledge or education on black music genres assumed hip hop and rap were interchangeable. It’s prejudiced and ignorant, get over it.
It’s prejudiced and ignorant to say:
“those ignorant gays”, “those ignorant latinos”, “those ignorant blacks”, or “those ignorant whites”.
There is nothing to “get over”, lol.... that type of insulting race lumping hasn’t been publicly accepted for like over 40 years now.
However you & your racist friends like to refer to entire groups of people at a time behind closed doors is up to you, but when you say blatantly racist stuff like “ignorant whites” in public, I’d expect to get called out on internet forums, and if you talk like that in public: ummm, you probably better be ready to put up or shut up. Just saying.
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It’s also VERY racist & exclusionary to refer to a music genre as being owned by a race, lol. Wtf are “black music genres”?????
What year are you from????? Is jazz a “white music genre” or a “black music genre”, in your racist brain?
I literally cannot imagine how you think(thankfully!). It would really really suck to constantly be trying to assign an appropriate race to everything I enjoy in life... sounds confusing & exhausting.
Oh, also racist.
It is ignorant to assume all black music that rhymes and is made primarily by black musicians is the same. They changed one category with an entirely different one based on an uninformed prejudiced stereotype. I’m white, by the way. But I call things like I see them.
It would be the same as an uninformed person of color who perhaps didn’t listen to rock genres renaming a Rock category to country. I mean they’re both mostly recorded by white artists, how different can they possibly be?
aaaaaaand you keep doing it.
sorry pal. barking up the wrong tree.
I emphatically dispute the premise that there exists anything called “black music”. I wince every time I hear you utter the racist phrase.
Except that is your own prejudice speaking. I said MUSIC primarily recorded by black MUSICIANS. And it’s true, as over 90% of all hip hop and rap genres are recorded by people of color. You should be “wincing” at the white Apple executive who thought Hip Hop and Rap are genres of music that are interchangeable and one in the same.
What’s ignorant is you assuming how this decision was made and showing us your racial issues. Bye
I don’t have any racial issues. I’ve lived a mile from Tijuana in San Diego, all over Arizona, and grew up in the east coast of Boston. I’ve been exposed to all races my entire life, from Irish, to Asian, to Portuguese to Mexican and African American.
Assuming Hip Hop can be renamed to “Rap Life” is a prejudiced, ignorant, slightly racist belief by an uninformed Apple employee with no factual knowledge or understanding.
I promise it really is that simple.
lol.
I guess you forgot what you ACTUALLY said:
your comments are mad racist. the fact you can’t see that is embarrassing.
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Lol, did you use a lot of phrases like “ignorant mexicans” when you lived near Tijuana???
I doubt it. I bet self preservation keeps you from spewing your racism outside of an Internet forum.
Nobody but the EXTREMELY racist would even consider talking like that!
I promise it really is that simple.
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Renaming an entire category of music to another (when both focus on music primarily recorded by black musicians) is what is racist. And the fact you defend it and dismiss it is very revealing.
Let me ask it another way, if it isn’t at the very least prejudiced, then why is Apple the only streaming service combining Hip Hop & Rap stations?
Every other major music streaming service (correctly) differentiates between Hip Hop and Rap genres. But not Apple.
Does that make sense to you, to be the only outlier? Apple should just quietly admit to their white-washing and correct the mistake. No real harm has been done.
how are you missing so much of what's really going on here?
is Ebro Darden a slightly racist and uniformed Apple employee? are you being serious right now?
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look man, these two descriptors, Hip Hop and Rap are not entirely interchangeable.. they don't mean the same exact thing.. I'll give you that.. there are many many cases where these two can be used to describe the same thing but not entirely..
but seriously, you have it backwards.. 180º
if they previously had a playlist called Rap Life then renamed it to A List: Hip Hop.... you may have more of a point..
but that's not what's happening..
the Hip Hop playlist was starting to have international rappers on there as well as artists who weren't particularly in it for the betterment or even awareness of the culture..
up to now and into the foreseeable future, Hip Hop is American..
Apple playing international artists on a playlist titled Hip Hop doesn't work very well.. Apple playing mumble rappers and trap on a playlist called Hip Hop doesn't jive either..
they changed the title to Rap... international rappers are Rap Life.. mumble rappers are Rap Life.. Hip Hop heads are Rap Life..
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like, if a mistake or misnomer was made, it was when the original name was given A List: Hip Hop... because there were artists being featured on there that were certainly rappers but not necessarily about the hip hop culture..
this renaming we see in the OP, if anything, is correcting a mistake or uninformed decision.. it's not them making a mistake and/or being racist.. like- if you knew what you claim to know, you should be applauding Apple for this.. not ridiculing them and/or making accusations of racism.. but you have it backwards..
humble yourself some my man.. you've said some inaccurate things in this thread and I think you'll just keep on spreading the misinformation if you don't allow yourself to be corrected a little.. it's ok and people aren't going to think less of you if you change your tune...
it's the "that's my story and I'm sticking to it" types that don't get the respect they're seemingly demanding..
I think I get you!
In your mind hip hop is “black music”, whereas rap isn’t, thus Apple is guilty of white washing by not using the term you consider “black”.
I’m pretty sure I am understanding that correctly, yeah?
What I’m saying is that considering ANY musical term or genre either “black” or “white” is both exclusionary & racist!
Also, not indicative to how anyone actually in the scene acts or feels!
My favorite hip hop artist is Aesop Rock. He’s white. Google “Aesop Rock hip hop”.
Wow! Google, Wikipedia, Rhymesayers, etc. all consider him a hip hop artist, even though he’s white!!!
Guess you’re just wrong.
WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED WITH ADDING THE LABELS “BLACK” & “WHITE” TO THINGS?????
We took a big step forward as a society when we removed those labels from drinking fountains. Why are you so eager to go back there???
When I was a little mixed race Asian girl growing up in what started out as a majority white school, the kids used to lob insults at me that usually incorporated some variant of insulting the Chinese people and culture. But as far as I know without taking a DNA test, China plays no part in my heritage.
I used to point that out to these kids and try to explain how incredibly stupid it was to conflate Chinese heritage with Korean or Japanese. To the Irish kids, I’d say “How much sense would it make for me to start lobbing references to sauerkraut at you? Would it bother you?” They’d always say they would not care because they’re not German. I’d reply to them that insulting me with references to Chinese culture therefore has no effect on me. Cue the blank look of incomprehension.
Often kids would ask me “What are you?” I’d say “I’m a human”. Or “I’m American”
They’d say “No, really, what are you?” I’d just keep putting the question back on them and they would insist on replying “I’m American”. They just didn’t get it.
Somehow in my teens I witnessed some kind of shift and people finally got it. The insults stopped. The kids would answer “Irish” or “Swiss” or some other indicator of their ancestral heritage when they’d ask me what I am and I’d return the question.
My friend, you’re staring down the blank look of incomprehension. You’ve gotten some really intellectual articulate arguments against your position, which indicates people are trying. But it’s still the blank look of incomprehension. One of these days, probably fairly soon, they’ll get it. But it takes a little longer for people who haven’t lived “it” to get what you’re saying. I get it, but I don’t know how to explain it, either.
Don’t let the frustration overtake you.
I remember when Apple Music was announced years ago that they were marketing it for having expertly “human curated” recommendations. Tim Cook even said that the human curation was a large part of the reasons why Apple spent so much money acquiring Beats (since Beats had introduced their own music streaming app). I bought the marketing hype and did the free trial. It was total lies. The recommendations were to listen to more stuff by artists I already bought music of. Not a single worthwhile recommendation came of it. I cancelled the subscription. I guess if you’re into top 40 pop and hip hop, then the “discovery” in Apple Music might actually be a thing for you, but if you’re into other stuff like 50s and 60s garage and surf, then you’re on your own—good luck getting any discovery assistance from the “human curated recommendations.” Yet another example of Tim Cook releasing a weak product to us.
they have an oldies surf playlist that’s updated every couple of weeks
https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/surf-essentials/pl.f02f22fcb313417bba9c4289e3125e7f
..but really, not sure how much discovery you’re expecting from such a narrow and time sensitive genre..
But HOW is it racist?? Howwwwww?
You can’t just slap the “that’s racist” label on something that doesn’t make sense to you
I am guessing “Pure Crap” & “Utter Garbage” weren’t not available?
"Ebro Darden, global editorial head of hip-hop and R&B at Apple Music, will host a companion "Rap Life" segment during his daily Beats 1 show..."
Are you talking percentages the world over or just the usual America-means-the-world nonsense? Rap/hip pop is made by Asians, Europeans, etc. Someone asked earlier what you’d classify Jazz music. I think music is music. There is no white or black or blue music. Again, I’m African, and this stuff is nauseating.
Right. So, "rap" is more of a reference to the business of hip hop music. I can agree with that, even if I don't agree that "Rap" and "HipHop _Music_" are two different genres. (KRS one never says they are two different genre's either. He's drawing a distinction between rap music business and hiphop culture. I find most discussions of differences between "rap" and "hiphop" to be fruitless.
Also, funny enough Billboard lumps "HipHop" and "R&B" together, which seems counter intuitive. Based on descriptions I have seen , "R&B" should be more suitably lumped with "Rap", if some lumping of the two must be done. The fact is, that Billboard is really just organizing it by the "radio" programming and not any technical nature of the music.
yeah, i like KRS’s take on it..
(fwiw, the context of that video is something like— a dad came up to KRS and said his son is a hip-hop artist.. from what i can gather, the kid was acting out of hand and basically just copying poor behaviors etc.. so the father asked KRS for some advice which we hear in the video..
KRS-ONE basically says... look kid, you aren’t hip hop.. you’re just a fake rapper trying to copy others and thinking bling equates to success.. you want to be hip-hop? then get a message together and put it out there.. emcee to the people.. have something a little more profound to say.. be hip hop first.. that’s how you’ll get the respect (both self respect and from others) ..and use rap as your delivery and a means to get your dollars..
i mean, that’s my interpretation of what he’s saying in the video at least.
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but idk.. i’m in my mid 40s now.. the first time i heard of any of these two phrases were in the same song
Rapper’s Delight : “i said a hip.. hop.. the hippie.. the hippie to the hip hip hop you don’t stop..”
been on it ever since..
the descriptions have always been interchangeable with me.. i get it that words are fluid and can change due to what’s going on in the world and i think that has happened/is happening to some extent here..
but i think this guy Bawstan got ahold of some corporate pigeonhole attempt at making a distinction in order to sell whatever it was they were trying to sell.. and he’s been rolling with this distinction ever since.. but if he’d just listen to the artists themselves either in interviews or more importantly, in the music.. i think he’d find he has it wrong.
whatever though.. i think i’m ready to bow out of this topic.. everyone ganging up on Bawstan is putting him in a super defensive position and or seeming like he’s being shamed into changing his mind.. but really, if he wants to continue believing Rap and Hip Hop are completely different genres then so be it.
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