I don't think rolling releases are right for most users I think what they need to do is an LTS and then continue with annuals. Just make every third or fifth release and LTS and support it until the next with backports and security.
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Apple must stop updating OS X annually!!!
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I don't think rolling releases are right for most users I think what they need to do is an LTS and then continue with annuals. Just make every third or fifth release and LTS and support it until the next with backports and security.
This is cheesy, I admit, but I miss the intro's after first installing a major OS X release. It was like Christmas morning for many of us (yup, we're nerds lol). Snow Leopard was the last one, I remember some missing it with 10.7 Lion. Random memory from an all-nighter.
Around that time, some beta's (Leopard or Snow Leopard) hinted at ZFS replacing HFS+ ('course we know how that went). I recall one of the benefits was speed and file/data management on larger volumes. Maybe another reason aside from licensing that Apple didn't bother as SSD's and Cloud storage took center stage. Haven't had much time to dive into how APFS will improve on HFS+ for 10.12 (if any experts out there can shed light on ZFS vs HFS I'd be indefinitely grateful
). Seems at first glance it's tied into the [optional] data management and Cloud storage feature(s), optimizing SSD/space sharing/etc. Didn't opt-in for that on my Mac Pro, but noticed "snapshots, fast directory sizing, and atomic safe-save primitives" in the release notes. Have no idea about "atomic safe-save primitives" (that's a tongue twister).
Around that time, some beta's (Leopard or Snow Leopard) hinted at ZFS replacing HFS+ ('course we know how that went). I recall one of the benefits was speed and file/data management on larger volumes. Maybe another reason aside from licensing that Apple didn't bother as SSD's and Cloud storage took center stage. Haven't had much time to dive into how APFS will improve on HFS+ for 10.12 (if any experts out there can shed light on ZFS vs HFS I'd be indefinitely grateful
). Seems at first glance it's tied into the [optional] data management and Cloud storage feature(s), optimizing SSD/space sharing/etc. Didn't opt-in for that on my Mac Pro, but noticed "snapshots, fast directory sizing, and atomic safe-save primitives" in the release notes. Have no idea about "atomic safe-save primitives" (that's a tongue twister).
Introducing Apple File System (APFS) – questions and answers there, please.
Adam Leventhal's blog » ZFS: Apple’s New Filesystem That Wasn’t
Why the h*ll was the 10.4-10.6 developer let go?
[doublepost=1470253300][/doublepost]Mac OS and all of Apple is beginning to go down the drain. Even when they end up satisfying certain requests or fixing certain small aspects of the OS, they end up adding something (either intentionally or accidentally) that just adds to the frustration. What happened to Mac OS being a pleasure to use? Seems like it's become a watered-down n00b OS that prevents users from doing certain things (I have to old down 'option' to open my Library) and also gives them a user experience that's nowhere as good as the experience was in Snow Leopard.
[doublepost=1470253300][/doublepost]Mac OS and all of Apple is beginning to go down the drain. Even when they end up satisfying certain requests or fixing certain small aspects of the OS, they end up adding something (either intentionally or accidentally) that just adds to the frustration. What happened to Mac OS being a pleasure to use? Seems like it's become a watered-down n00b OS that prevents users from doing certain things (I have to old down 'option' to open my Library) and also gives them a user experience that's nowhere as good as the experience was in Snow Leopard.
Bertrand Serlet [officially] left Apple in 2011 although Craig Federighi replaced him as SVP of OS X Engineering in 2007 when OS X 10.7 Lion was under development. Serlet stayed on mostly to facilitate Federghi in his new position. Serlet moved on to work on "Parallels" and other projects. Here's the 2011 announcement:
Bertrand Serlet to Leave Apple
More recently:
Former OS X chief Bertrand Serlet offers a new peek at his UpThere cloud startup
Honestly, he worked hard for many years since 1997 (I believe). After completing OS X releases during the Intel transition, a decade passed and he was able to cash out and move on.
Upthere
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/23170004 for more.
Departures
I can't comment on the departures (I don't see them as closely related to any cycle at Apple) but for what it's worth, no longer a single shared vision
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/23170004 for more.
Departures
I can't comment on the departures (I don't see them as closely related to any cycle at Apple) but for what it's worth, no longer a single shared vision
You base that on what, exactly? Here, I'll say that Apple has never been under such competent leadership as it is today. So, now what? A pissing contest?
That is highly subjective. I don't know about your Macs, but mine are a delight to use. Seriously, every time I look at those displays, I smile, and Mac OS never looked this good. As for productivity - I just love all the additions, from tabs and tags, to natural language search and multi-display support (have you tried it before Mavericks?). And now, I can't wait to try out Siri on the Mac, as well as universal copy-paste with my iPad Pro (Procreate + Photoshop combo, makes me drool). And I think the new Apple FS will be really good, from what I read. So yeah, I'd say they are a real joy to use and Mac OS is at the heart of it.
Of course, you don't have to agree, but since you did ask
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On countless occasions I have simply 'got on with it'; used the OS without wishing to take a critical view. Think of this maybe as a passive approach. Unfortunately, most of those uses led – sooner or later – to the same realisation that I had around two years ago: 'current' and future looks of the OS will probably never be as good as they were with the HIG that preceded the release of Yosemite.
On other occasions, I actively try to like the effects of Apple's most troublesome changes. The positive attitude does not work; sooner or later, the troubles occur. From the viewpoint of a passionate customer: it's horribly grating.
From the viewpoint of a similarly passionate developer, within Apple? If there's encouragement (or force) to work on something that grates, the end result can't be good. Imagine:
- not a killing of the operating system, but an unintended quiet killing of enthusiasm for the OS.
Troublesome changes? What troublesome changes? You keep saying "I don't like it personally, so it must mean it's horrible". I like most of the changes myself. I like the new look more. I like the new features.
Everyone here keeps throwing these adjectives around as if they are self evident. "Horrible changes", "Incompetent leadership", etc. And if pressed to explain, it basically comes down to this: "I don't LIKE it".
And it's fine not to like it. I wish someone on these forums wrote a post that goes like this: "*I* don't like the new Apple. *I* don't like the new OS. *I* preferred how it used to look and feel." Instead we get things like: "Apple must change! The new OS is horrible! The new design sucks! They must do this and that!"
All I'm saying is - there are some of us who, you know, LIKE the new OS. And we like the direction Apple is taking. What I would like to see is Apple giving even more love to the Mac, like having more regular hardware updates, and adding more realised features to the OS (like adding all the bells and whistles from iOS 10 Messages - but I guess that has something to do with the lack of UIKit on Mac). Update the Mac Pro already! Give us the new MacBook Pro already! But as for the macOS and annual updates - it's been great for me. It runs fast (even faster than before), it runs stable, it looks good, it has the features I like and, heck, I even like to guess what the next name will be every year! It's not that I don't have a critical view. I do! Some things bug me like everyone else. But you can have a critical view and still like something overall.
YOU don't have to like it, but it's not horrible or killing enthusiasm for ME. And as long as people like me exist (and I know I'm not the only one) no one can claim that the new direction is universally wrong. It's jut wrong for YOU. Can we agree on that?
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I wrote about them at length before and after the release of Yosemite, not inclined to repeat myself here.
That seems, to me, an exaggerated interpretation. So it must mean it's an exaggerated interpretation.
I too once wrote a great response to this that proves you're wrong and I'm right. I'm not inclined to repeat myself here.
Something seems like truth to me. So it must mean it's the truth.
Agreed.
Mavericks which I'm currently using is the last usable OS X version for me, I would still use Snow Leopard if it had software support but unfortunately very few of the software I need supports 10.6.8.
As for Yosemite and El Capitan it seems that Apple has started a crusade to remove all potentially usable/ confusing to beginners features from the OS. There are too many examples to list but some of the most annoying ones: Disk Utility (completely dysfunctional), System Preferences (many of the features are hidden behind Option key without any reason), Preview (displays PDF, pictures etc. incorrectly, partially died in 10.11.6), Tags (nice idea, poor implementation), Spotlight (unreliable, so called "natural search" is a joke, reindex helps for a day or two), unreliable USB (10.11.6 had no effect). I'm withholding forming opinion about Sierra until its released but if this trend continues its starting to look likely that my Mac Pro 2009 will be my last Mac.
I would prefer a LTS OS which would concentrate on speed, reliability and security with new features been included only when properly tested. And it would give user option to select which ones to install without the need for Terminal commands...
Yep, OS X El Capitan's Disk Utility is a mess – that's possibly the most accurate and comprehensive topic title in the history of MacRumors Forums.
With APFS scheduled for release in 2017, Apple might find it necessary to show some love to the lesser-known peculiarities of Spotlight.
Also I expect APFS to allow greater reliability with tags.
Changes to Apple's GUIs for tags? People can wish for changes, but (considering the Disk Utility example) it might be better to not encourage change. Quietly accept the Apple status quo; better to invest in complementary third party software.
If for storage, and if USB 2.0, then part of that unreliability may be the nature of USB.
I don't expect everyone to appreciate the accuracy of the title
I didn't bother to test El Capitan before its release. Never touched 10.11. I knew nothing of the mess until nineteen weeks after the topic began.
Yeah, this 2009 Mac Pro will also be my last Mac. However, if I never get into Hackintoshing, I'll at least buy used Macs. I've been using hand-me-downs/used Macs for a long time now. My last brand-new machine was an iMac G5 (2004) and was replaced by a used iSight G5 in 2010. Henceforth, I've been using used machines because I'm also not too interested in today's Macs.
[doublepost=1470339288][/doublepost]Just because someone doesn't like the OS, it doesn't mean that there isn't some fact behind their opinion. Here's an example: Windows is a terrible operating system AND I hate it. I hate it because it's terrible. It's not my opinion that it's terrible - it's a fact that, even given what's been happening with Mac OS lately, Windows has still shown to be inferior in reliability, safety, networking, file management, etc. What could we possibly expect from a GUI that was sloppily slapped onto DOS and called a real desktop operating system? The user has to practically baby that OS.
Mac OS has gone downhill in separate ways, but they are NOT simply a matter of opinions. Some opinions happen to have truth behind them and aren't simply a matter of someone "not preferring" a given product. In this case, Mac OS (and plenty of Apple software) HAS gone downhill in recent years. This company keeps ruining its software.
(BTW, under an OS as 'old' as Mountain Lion, I can do whatever it is I do in El Capitan, but with greater speed, fewer issues, and more trust. Yes, trust - because, apparently, Apple no longer trusts its users to navigate through the OS, so they had to put tons of restrictions on accessing system files - restrictions that make the user feel like a jackass. Oh, and the new Disk Utility is a crying shame. Yet another piece of software that Apple has decided to ruin with asinine simplification. Can't believe I'm running a RAID drive in an OS whose Disk Utility doesn't even have a RAID option. We had to port the old DU over to El Capitan in order to easily set up my RAID disk.)
I'm hoping that would happen, Spotlight in El Capitan is too unreliable.
Mainly in storage but occasionally in other devices as well. In my experience USB2 is more reliable than USB3 in El Capitan and I suspect Apple broke something in El Capitan USB3 drivers... I have reported the problem after every minor version of El Capitan and it still isn't fixed!
I have a feeling that a lot of complaints people have with macOS will be addressed once APFS has been finalised and the nasty hacks that Apple have implemented on top of HFS+ such as time machine can be removed and have native functionality. There is also the fact that AFPS is multithreaded and optimised for SSD storage so it'll be more efficient and hopefully less beachballs in the future. Part of the move to APFS should also mean improvements in Finder, SMB compatibility etc. The move to APFS is going to result in a massive flow on effect to the rest of the operating system that in the long term will hopefully provide a stable foundation to future development.
To be honest it seems like some of you are over-reacting a bit when it comes to the "problems" in modern releases of OS X/macOS. My first Mac ran Yosemite and I thought that it was a lovely OS, and I used Spotlight a lot. Then came El Captian with the multi-window support and improved graphics performance which helped me a good deal. Now with Sierra we are finally getting Siri, and a new Filesystem.
Now I am not saying that we should not complain about the bad stuff that arise, but what I am saying is that there are tons of features being introduced that boost productivity, which we should be "thankful" for. Also, the only bug I have experienced during my time with a Mac (that I can remember) was the one that made the display freeze in El Captian. That and a bug with iMovie. Otherwise, things have been going well for me, and I am happy with my purchase.
Now I am not saying that we should not complain about the bad stuff that arise, but what I am saying is that there are tons of features being introduced that boost productivity, which we should be "thankful" for. Also, the only bug I have experienced during my time with a Mac (that I can remember) was the one that made the display freeze in El Captian. That and a bug with iMovie. Otherwise, things have been going well for me, and I am happy with my purchase.
Apple makes around 10% of their profit with macs, the 90% left is not because of macs or OSX. First thing.
Second thing is that, in spite of this, they own 90% of the high performance pc market, or in other words, they do not need to make things any better, they have no competition.
I on't think the release cycle is the real issue here. Problems are the stuff mentioned aboive, and consecuences are; glued batteries, glued displays in imacs, soldered ram in most models, no upgradability; a mac could last 10 years, now it lasts 4.
Second thing is that, in spite of this, they own 90% of the high performance pc market, or in other words, they do not need to make things any better, they have no competition.
I on't think the release cycle is the real issue here. Problems are the stuff mentioned aboive, and consecuences are; glued batteries, glued displays in imacs, soldered ram in most models, no upgradability; a mac could last 10 years, now it lasts 4.
Did you ever make prolonged and in-depth use of any earlier operating system on anyone else's Mac?
With respect: if you lack those experiences, then you can not properly appreciate the perspectives of people whose judgements of Yosemite and later are based, in part, on those experiences.