Apple News Launches Candidate Guide to the 2020 Democratic Debates

[az431]

I'm no fan of Pres. Trump (didn't vote and will never vote for him) but the "cages" were built during the previous administration: https://www.apnews.com/fdfbafe1f2784a759bc7c3a8e8ddbcab (also see here: https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/). The current president makes a number of egregious claims about immigration but those cages were built and used during Pres. Obama's administration.

When they where built is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they are being used now and how they are being used. Any person who can cobble together a rational thought can see that immigration enforcement has changed significantly while Trump has been president.

 

[Plutonius]

Do all the MAGA folk seek out Macrumors or something?

Why do you ask that ?

 

[citysnaps]

[QUOTE="bbednarz, post: 27493225, member: 1106512"]Social security and Medicare are free? Weird, looking at my checks I see money being taken out for that.... None of these things mentioned are free. Taxes are funding all of this. Meaning we don't want even more money taken out of our checks to pay for others "free" things.[/QUOTE]

It seems you missed my quotation marks, or do not understand their meaning, around the word "free."


"Meaning we don't want even more money taken out of our checks to pay for others "free" things."

Do you want a military that provides for the common defense of the country. Do you want guaranteed K-12 education for the nations' children? These and many other "socialist" ("free") programs provide that.

 

[az431]

Social security and Medicare are free? Weird, looking at my checks I see money being taken out for that.... None of these things mentioned are free. Taxes are funding all of this. Meaning we don't want even more money taken out of our checks to pay for others "free" things.

You don't personally don't pay each time you use a highway or medicare.

His point is that everyone uses some government service at a disproportionate rate compared to the taxes they pay, so, for example, someone who is disabled will obtain a benefit from medicare that is far larger than the taxes they paid throughout their lifetime. And someone who is a truck driver will certainly pay far less in taxes for those highways than under a system where use is charged by the mile.

Everyone seems to think that as a taxpayer they pay for "everything," but in reality the percentage of your taxes that pay for the individual government services that you personally use is microscopic.

 

[mikef07]

It's one thing to support socialism (I certainly don't). But to give all the idiotic statements Trump makes a pass - because he has a couple policies you kinda like - that's questionable too.

Too bad some see this as a choice between an idiot and socialism.

I think there are moderate, intelligent adults in the field on both sides. Hopefully one will emerge to become a legitimate contender for president.

Idiotic statements literally have no material affect on your life. Policy does.

 

[slagathor001]

Seriously, a lot of liberals on here.

Fans of this little Cupertino company tend to be liberal. This is a trend that has been going on decades.

 

[Dulcimer]

Why do you ask that ?

Have you seen the top replies?

 

[xxray]

I’ve been looking for this on any website. Great that it’s now included in Apple news.

 

[zorinlynx]

Completely putting aside all actual political opinions, is it me or is our political season in this country TOO DAMN LONG? We have to put up with this **** for a year and half! It's absurd. I wish it could be pared down to 4-6 months before the general election.

It just feels never ending. I'm so fed up and tired of politics already. It's always in your face and people are being so nasty to each other, even over minor disagreements. I worry for the future.

 

[mikef07]

That’s the standard right-wing response whenever anyone talks about Trump’s incompetence and corruption, but I genuinely don’t see how any rational person can look at Obama and Trump and not see that Obama is orders of magnitude more intelligent and ethical than Trump. Whether you like Trump’s policies or you don’t, he is clearly not qualified for the job, intellectually, emotionally, or ethically.

LOL. GDP at levels Obama said was impossible. Unemployment at an all time low (or near it). Stock market rolling. Wages actually up. Economy humming along. No longer viewed as a paper tiger and yet he hasn't had to get us in any wars. Let us know when you can actually look objectively.

 

[nwcs]

No one is force feeding you anything. Don't tap on it if you don't want to.

It’s forced into my news feed whether I want it or not when Apple deems it necessary. Why should I have to even see it?

 

[Iconoclysm]

20 clowns jockeying to see who can out promise who for free stuff and who can open the borders to everyone faster.

Free stuff? You mean like, catching up with the rest of the world that isn't being crushed by an unsustainable healthcare system? Sure. Trump said he'd fix it. How's that working out? As for open borders, nobody, nobody at all, wants open borders.

 

[mikef07]

Free stuff? You mean like, catching up with the rest of the world that isn't being crushed by an unsustainable healthcare system? Sure. Trump said he'd fix it. How's that working out? As for open borders, nobody, nobody at all, wants open borders.

There are 3 relevant countries in the world. US due to economic and military power. Russia due to military power. China due to economic power. Catching up is a laughable statement. I am in healthcare and if you think anyone with a choice would choose to go and get healthcare treatment from any place other than US you are fooling yourself.

 

[Plutonius]

Have you seen the top replies?

The people who post in PRSI are usually somewhat split in their viewpoints.

I don't believe that the people's political viewpoints have anything to do with them initially visiting MacRumors.

Instead, they come here for tech information before discovering the different sub forums.

 

[slagathor001]

The same stock market the during the 2016 campaign Trump understood that whether it was at all time highs or not it's not helping the average american. Hell, it's not helping *most* Americans. But once he won, he all of a sudden changed his tune of how he judges the economy. Can't make this stuff up.


Shttps://www.vox.com/the-weeds At the end of the most recent episode (37ish minutes in) they speak about a wonderful new research paper on the stock market. Very interesting stuff.

 

[RichardMZhlubb]

LOL. GDP at levels Obama said was impossible. Unemployment at an all time low (or near it). Stock market rolling. Wages actually up. Economy humming along. No longer viewed as a paper tiger and yet he hasn't had to get us in any wars. Let us know when you can actually look objectively.

Uh, GDP growth was actually higher under Obama, and the other economic indicators you cite have simply continued the trends began under Obama. About the best you can say about Trump and the macro-economy is that he hasn’t totally screwed up the growing economy he inherited.

 

[mikef07]

Uh, GDP growth was actually higher under Obama, and the other economic indicators you cite have simply continued the trends began under Obama. About the best you can say about Trump and the macro-economy is that he hasn’t totally screwed up the growing economy he inherited.

If you don't realize that the stock market and the economy is forward looking you are naive. I suggest you also look at what Obama said about what the GDP being the new norm would be. Again you can't look objectively. We get it.

Oh and 7 out of 8 years GDP % was lower than Trump had in 2018. Don't let facts get in the way.

2008- -.1% (Less)
2009 -2.5% (less)
2010 2.6% (Less)
2011 1.6% (Less)
2012 2.2% (Less)
2013 1.8% (Less)
2014 2.5% (Less)
2015 2.9% (Tied)
2016 (1.6%) (Less)

2018 2.9%

Oops!!

 

[Iconoclysm]

LOL. GDP at levels Obama said was impossible. Unemployment at an all time low (or near it). Stock market rolling. Wages actually up. Economy humming along. No longer viewed as a paper tiger and yet he hasn't had to get us in any wars. Let us know when you can actually look objectively.

Wages up? Where in the world are you getting that from? We are literally on the verge of another recession and the real crises this guy promised to fix he hasn't made a dent in. Opiod epidemic? He actually dismantled organizations fighting that. Healthcare? The "BEST" healthcare plan? Where is it? This idiot said it should cost $12 a month for health insurance...because he had it confused with life insurance...

Much of what you listed can't be directly attributed to any President and especially not their policies as Trump's have barely had any effect on the direction they've headed. It always amuses me when people give credit to a President for things like this...but if it's their guy, they won't take it away when it falls apart, they'll just blame the other party.

 

[WaxedJacket]

>Curated by a team of Apple News editors

This should be completely fair and unbiased.

 

[roland.g]

Wages up? Where in the world are you getting that from? We are literally on the verge of another recession and the real crises this guy promised to fix he hasn't made a dent in. Opiod epidemic? He actually dismantled organizations fighting that. Healthcare? The "BEST" healthcare plan? Where is it? This idiot said it should cost $12 a month for health insurance...because he had it confused with life insurance...

Much of what you listed can't be directly attributed to any President and especially not their policies as Trump's have barely had any effect on the direction they've headed. It always amuses me when people give credit to a President for things like this...but if it's their guy, they won't take it away when it falls apart, they'll just blame the other party.

Actually he has. If you refute that, please provide links to credible information rather than vague conjecture.

 

[mikef07]

Wages up? Where in the world are you getting that from? We are literally on the verge of another recession and the real crises this guy promised to fix he hasn't made a dent in. Opiod epidemic? He actually dismantled organizations fighting that. Healthcare? The "BEST" healthcare plan? Where is it? This idiot said it should cost $12 a month for health insurance...because he had it confused with life insurance...

Much of what you listed can't be directly attributed to any President and especially not their policies as Trump's have barely had any effect on the direction they've headed. It always amuses me when people give credit to a President for things like this...but if it's their guy, they won't take it away when it falls apart, they'll just blame the other party.

Can anyone do an ounce of due diligence before they post. This is an anti Trump paper and even they say it is UP, not DOWN.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...s-are-actually-rising/?utm_term=.fdddec267b8f

I couldn't care less who gets credit but I know when the economy is rilling and anyone who wants to jump off of that deserves what they get.

 

[Iconoclysm]

If you don't realize that the stock market and the economy is forward looking you are naive. I suggest you also look at what Obama said about what the GDP being the new norm would be. Again you can't look objectively. We get it.

Oh and 7 out of 8 years GDP % was lower than Trump had in 2018. Don't let facts get in the way.

2008- -.1% (Less)
2009 -2.5% (less)
2010 2.6% (Less)
2011 1.6% (Less)
2012 2.2% (Less)
2013 1.8% (Less)
2014 2.5% (Less)
2015 2.9% (Tied)
2016 (1.6%) (Less)

2018 2.9%

Oops!!

Where's the 3%? Also, where do you not recognize that Obama inherited a .1% GDP growth and it turned around under his watch? Obama knows far more about the economy than Trump does, and even that isn't on the level of an economist. Trump will just puff himself up in ANY way he can - and you fall into that con by believing he did something.
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Actually he has. If you refute that, please provide links to credible information rather than vague conjecture.

Actually he has what?

 

[NBAasDOGG]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Netherlands#Netherlands_(1839–present)

Don’t get me started about the USA at that time and its resent slavery!

 

[Iconoclysm]

Can anyone do an ounce of due diligence before they post. This is an anti Trump paper and even they say it is UP, not DOWN.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...s-are-actually-rising/?utm_term=.fdddec267b8f

I couldn't care less who gets credit but I know when the economy is rilling and anyone who wants to jump off of that deserves what they get.

Christ...from your own article: But adjusted for inflation, wages for all workers grew 1.3 percent from December 2017 to December 2018, making the increase only the largest since August 2016, according to the Labor Department.

I never said wages were down. They are literally stagnant and have been for decades.

 

[roland.g]

I have to correct you there. Obama is no longer in the White House.

Obama was not amoral, incompetent or an imbecile. He was dishonest and deceitful, all in the name of transparency and that lying smile of his. He was exceptional at pulling the wool over people’s eyes. Didn’t hurt that he was a media darling.