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What's funny is your convenient overlooking that it is republicans who have spent the better part of half a century gerrymandering to dilute the popular vote by stuffing minorities into their own districts. Were it not for that, elections would largely reflect the popular vote.

you do realize you can't gerrymander across state lines right?
 
Your definitions precede you.
Ahh, now you're deflecting properly. Waiting for the buttery mails next.
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you do realize you can't gerrymander across state lines right?

Yeah, uhh, you do realize that every state gets 2 senators? The most populous and the least. Gerrymandering one state that nobody's focusing on because of their size gives them the same input into our government as a state like California.
 
They should not be involved in this in anyway. All news is effectively made up and how real it is depends on how much fact versus conjecture and opinion are included. People have trouble understanding the term "fake news", but it was never intended to say all news is fake, only that while there may be some facts in a story the editorial team is extrapolating and implying there is more to it than the facts. The news of today is not the news of 20 years ago when it was just the facts. Now with 24 hour news on multiple channels + 4 hours or more on the local channels in most cities the only way to fill the time is to extrapolate and sensationalize even the most mundane of stories.
 
The only place I am going is that if you break the law in this country you get taken from your kids and go to a cage. If no one is left to take care of your kids then they will be taken from you. Anyone who didn't understand that years ago is too stupid to be in this country.
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No he didnt. he said GDP was higher under Obama. It was not 7 out of 8 years. 4 quarters equals 1 year. If you have all this great growth quarter after quarter after quarter then your yearly numbers would also be higher. That is called basic math.

4 high quarters would equal a better year than 4 low quarters.

We get it. You 2 cannot look at things objectively
What’s sad about the liberal media / Democrats / lefty hypocrisy fanaticism over immigration is that they place no blame on the parents of the displaced children. It’s simply a boo boo sob story heart strings big bad America argument (because most liberal arguments are “heart” arguments devoid of reason or rational thought). There is no accountability. Another major thing missing from the free stuff mindset. Don’t even get into racial tensions. Ever see a liberal discuss the criminal activity or refusal to obey law enforcement in those discussions. It’s all about police action. It’s like the refuse to acknowledge the truth even in light of facts. You can’t win an argument with someone when that is their approach.
 
The only place I am going is that if you break the law in this country you get taken from your kids and go to a cage. If no one is left to take care of your kids then they will be taken from you. Anyone who didn't understand that years ago is too stupid to be in this country.
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No he didnt. he said GDP was higher under Obama. It was not 7 out of 8 years. 4 quarters equals 1 year. If you have all this great growth quarter after quarter after quarter then your yearly numbers would also be higher. That is called basic math.

4 high quarters would equal a better year than 4 low quarters.

We get it. You 2 cannot look at things objectively

Here's the basic math (what you mean is averages). If you have a higher sustained growth in a year you will have a higher annual growth. Yet, you can have higher quarterly growth in some quarters and less in others. Ta da! Math.

Here is exactly what he said, by the way "Obama had greater than 3% growth multiple times over 4 consecutive quarters and had multiple quarters with GDP growth higher than the highest quarter under Trump. "

I don't know this person, trying to lump us together as if we're playing for the same team isn't going to work.
 
The only place I am going is that if you break the law in this country you get taken from your kids and go to a cage. If no one is left to take care of your kids then they will be taken from you. Anyone who didn't understand that years ago is too stupid to be in this country.
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No he didnt. he said GDP was higher under Obama. It was not 7 out of 8 years. 4 quarters equals 1 year. If you have all this great growth quarter after quarter after quarter then your yearly numbers would also be higher. That is called basic math.

4 high quarters would equal a better year than 4 low quarters.

We get it. You 2 cannot look at things objectively

The funny thing is that when we had GDP growth over 4 consecutive quarters under Trump over 3% for the first time (3.1%, subsequently changed to 3.0% with updated quarterly numbers), they bragged about doing something Obama never did, ignoring the fact that there were multiple periods of 4 consecutive quarters under Obama with GDP growth over 3% (with a high of 3.4%). The point is that you are looking only at calendar year numbers, which ignores a lot of the data.
 
They should not be involved in this in anyway. All news is effectively made up and how real it is depends on how much fact versus conjecture and opinion are included. People have trouble understanding the term "fake news", but it was never intended to say all news is fake, only that while there may be some facts in a story the editorial team is extrapolating and implying there is more to it than the facts. The news of today is not the news of 20 years ago when it was just the facts. Now with 24 hour news on multiple channels + 4 hours or more on the local channels in most cities the only way to fill the time is to extrapolate and sensationalize even the most mundane of stories.

The term fake news had absolutely nothing to do with the actual news until the right twisted it that way. It was initially used to define things like Hillary Clinton having a stroke, or that the Social Security System wasn't intended to do what it does now, or many other propaganda techniques that were being used to manipulate voters (mostly right wing).
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No. That would be a liberal (or should I say nihilist... hmmm) approach. We use facts and reason. Level heads get things done. The left throws tantrums.

Yep, there's more of what we were hearing a couple of years ago. It's a shame that you don't live by this claim in any way whatsoever. I'm in the middle by the way, you've just run so far to the right that you now think everyone is on the left.
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What’s sad about the liberal media / Democrats / lefty hypocrisy fanaticism over immigration is that they place no blame on the parents of the displaced children. It’s simply a boo boo sob story heart strings big bad America argument (because most liberal arguments are “heart” arguments devoid of reason or rational thought). There is no accountability. Another major thing missing from the free stuff mindset. Don’t even get into racial tensions. Ever see a liberal discuss the criminal activity or refusal to obey law enforcement in those discussions. It’s all about police action. It’s like the refuse to acknowledge the truth even in light of facts. You can’t win an argument with someone when that is their approach.

It's absolutely crazy how you compartmentalize and label everyone that doesn't agree with you. Ever see a liberal discuss? Really? Jesus man, you're hopeless! The thing about "Liberals" "Progressives" "Socialists" or what have you, is that you'll find more disagreement between them than you would find from the right. Glued to the same media bubble, you all believe the same things. Those other groups are incredibly hard to nail down, but to see you say something like this is so ill informed I can't even comprehend where you're getting it.
 
When they where built is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they are being used now and how they are being used. Any person who can cobble together a rational thought can see that immigration enforcement has changed significantly while Trump has been president.
I wasn't defending the mess of how the border situation is being handled. I was replying to a comment implying the cages were Pres. Trump's fault when his administration is merely continuing their use. As for immigration enforcement changing significantly, it has. The current administration is deporting fewer people than Pres. Obama did on average (but similar rates to the last two years of Pres. Obama's administration). I'm not commenting on those rates because they don't factor in the number of undocumented people trying to cross into the U.S. The rates between administrations, however, can be compared because while the ways of counting deportations changed during the Obama administration (see https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html), that's still how deportations are counted today.

What's the solution? I don't have a good answer. What's happening now isn't a good solution.
 
-The 1% control largest amount of wealth since 1920s

-69% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings

-Amazon paid $0 in taxes for 2nd year in a row

-National debt hits record $22 trillion

-In 2018 a record # of Americans were 90+ days late on car payments

A record 7 million Americans are 3 months behind on their car payments, a red flag for the economy. Worse than in the wake of the financial crisis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/12/record-million-americans-are-months-behind-their-car-payments-red-flag-economy/

U.S. wealth concentration, or income inequality, has returned to levels not seen since the 1920s
https://www.axios.com/income-inequality-great-depression-gabriel-zucman-45ba4d26-d349-452e-9ca2-7ef07af0013a.html?stream=top-stories&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=limstream

During the shutdown -
- 27% of federal workers say they missed a mortgage or rent payment.
- 62% depleted most or all of their emergency savings.
- 23% cut back on medical expenses for themselves or family members.



BREAKING: U.S. posts largest monthly budget deficit on record in February

The U.S. government logged the biggest monthly budget deficit in American history in February. Bigger even than during the financial crisis.



The government ran a $544 billion deficit over the first 5 months of the fiscal year

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1109156796659322881?s=20



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/...nverted-recession.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share Stocks Fall as Bond Market Flashes a Recession Warning

When long-term interest rates fall below short-term rates, it’s called a yield curve inversion. It’s one of Wall Street’s favored predictors of a recession, and it happened on Friday.

Since 1960, renters' incomes have increased by only 5% while rents have risen 61%

https://twitter.com/pamelafbrockman/status/

1114274501682839552?s=21 The U.S. just had the most Q1 layoffs in a decade
 
I wasn't defending the mess of how the border situation is being handled. I was replying to a comment implying the cages were Pres. Trump's fault when his administration is merely continuing their use. As for immigration enforcement changing significantly, it has. The current administration is deporting fewer people than Pres. Obama did on average (but similar rates to the last two years of Pres. Obama's administration). I'm not commenting on those rates because they don't factor in the number of undocumented people trying to cross into the U.S. The rates between administrations, however, can be compared because while the ways of counting deportations changed during the Obama administration (see https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html), that's still how deportations are counted today.

What's the solution? I don't have a good answer. What's happening now isn't a good solution.

You're right about this, and it shows the hypocrisy coming from those who said Obama was soft on immigration. Alternatively, it shows that we aren't deporting people, we're locking them up.
 
"Free" stuff?

You mean like the other "free" services provided to you by the government? Such as the military, federal law enforcement, public highway system, Social Security, K-12 education, FDA, Medicare, etc, etc?

uh? Those aren't "free" like you suggested. They are paid for with taxes. And yes, we don't want more things paid for by taxes.
 
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-The 1% control largest amount of wealth since 1920s

-69% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings

-Amazon paid $0 in taxes for 2nd year in a row

-National debt hits record $22 trillion

-In 2018 a record # of Americans were 90+ days late on car payments

A record 7 million Americans are 3 months behind on their car payments, a red flag for the economy. Worse than in the wake of the financial crisis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/12/record-million-americans-are-months-behind-their-car-payments-red-flag-economy/

U.S. wealth concentration, or income inequality, has returned to levels not seen since the 1920s
https://www.axios.com/income-inequality-great-depression-gabriel-zucman-45ba4d26-d349-452e-9ca2-7ef07af0013a.html?stream=top-stories&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=limstream

During the shutdown -
- 27% of federal workers say they missed a mortgage or rent payment.
- 62% depleted most or all of their emergency savings.
- 23% cut back on medical expenses for themselves or family members.



BREAKING: U.S. posts largest monthly budget deficit on record in February

The U.S. government logged the biggest monthly budget deficit in American history in February. Bigger even than during the financial crisis.



The government ran a $544 billion deficit over the first 5 months of the fiscal year

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1109156796659322881?s=20



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/...nverted-recession.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share Stocks Fall as Bond Market Flashes a Recession Warning

When long-term interest rates fall below short-term rates, it’s called a yield curve inversion. It’s one of Wall Street’s favored predictors of a recession, and it happened on Friday.

Since 1960, renters' incomes have increased by only 5% while rents have risen 61%

https://twitter.com/pamelafbrockman/status/

1114274501682839552?s=21 The U.S. just had the most Q1 layoffs in a decade

Facts.
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uh? Those aren't "free" like you suggested. They are paid for with taxes. And yes, we don't want more things paid for by taxes.

Then why are you wanting tax breaks for the incredibly wealthy? Do you want to take responsibility and fix our deficit, or do you want to give free stuff to people who don't need it?

If you're following that ideology, you probably don't want regulation either. So we can watch healthcare rates climb and climb with no relief in sight until that is the ultimate undoing of our entire society. Or we can do something about it besides empty promises and thoughts and prayers.
 
As a conservative myself, even I want the Dems to have better candidates. Their current level of delusion is bad for everyone.
I'm seeing at least one or two candidates who have actually financially sound plans thought out. Warren for one. She may have a lot of Pocohontas baggage but I haven't heard of her grabbing anyone by the *****, so it will probably even out.
 
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What no one is saying is that a lot of the supporters for the candidates are celebrities. If you’re letting mentally unstable (let’s face it that’s the majority of Hollywood) dictate your opinions - Maybe you shouldn’t vote.
So, you're saying that if somebody famous also happens to like the candidate you like, that's a reason not to vote? There's so much flawed logic in your statement I'm not sure where to begin.

First off, "a lot of the supporters are celebrities" - unless we somehow live in a world where everyone is famous, this makes no sense: "celebrities" would generally be a minuscule portion of the population, if "a lot" of the supporters means either a majority or a sizable minority of the supporters, you're suggesting very few people (compared to the population at large) who are _not_ celebrities, support these candidates. (And if only this small handful of the population prefer these candidates, why are you so worried about them voting?)

Second, I've not seen particular evidence to support the idea that "the majority of Hollywood" is mentally unstable - they're largely just as stable or unstable as the rest of the population, it's just that an intense spotlight and magnifying glass gets held up to their behavior - if some random guy across town from you does something slightly unusual, it doesn't make the evening news. Most people, if you examined them closely enough, do some odd things for seemingly indecipherable reasons, it just doesn't get national attention.

Third, having the same opinion as someone who is famous, does not mean that they've dictated that opinion to you. It's entirely possible that you've both arrived at the same conclusion following different paths.

Fourth, "maybe you shouldn't vote"? So, you'd prefer it if people who believed differently than you didn't exercise their right / duty to vote. Would you prefer votes only from uninformed people who rot their brains watching Fox "News"?
 
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The term fake news had absolutely nothing to do with the actual news until the right twisted it that way. It was initially used to define things like Hillary Clinton having a stroke, or that the Social Security System wasn't intended to do what it does now, or many other propaganda techniques that were being used to manipulate voters (mostly right wing).
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Yep, there's more of what we were hearing a couple of years ago. It's a shame that you don't live by this claim in any way whatsoever. I'm in the middle by the way, you've just run so far to the right that you now think everyone is on the left.
Actually that would make you wrong. As I am in the middle. Socially more liberal and fiscally more conservative. What I don’t appreciate is 8 years of Obama lies. I was certainly concerned with 4 or 8 years of Hilary corruption. Not a Trump fan at all but I like that our economy is doing better and I do believe that Obama’s ACA was a scam. But let’s get to the root of it. I don’t care for socialism or the hypocrisy of the left. And I don’t like the swamp either. But what’s worse is I don’t like being lied to and the liberal media machine is more corrupt than all of Washington. The higher education system too. These aren’t conspiracy theories. The media and college campuses are now liberal breeding grounds. If you don’t know that, I ca t help you. And that brings us to identity politics.

If I go for a job interview, equal opportunity employment prevails and the best candidate should be hired. However the last 2 elections, Obama - “we’ve got to vote for the Black guy.” Forget about best candidate, skin color as a qualification?!?! Then 2016, “I’m with Her.” The her that tried to destroy the credibility of her husband’s accusers. Great President. But he was a lying horny cheat as a person. And now she wants us to vote for her just because she is a woman and has jumped on the woman’s rights bandwagon. Let’s go to 2020. Mayor Pete is gay. No problem with that. I have quite a few gay friends. However, I don’t care if you are gay. It’s not part of your qualifications for the job. And more often than not liberals tend to play identity politics. Sorry. I don’t vote that way. However, Iconoclysm, your moniker does not indicate middle, it suggests revolution, anarchy, etc.
 
As a conservative myself, even I want the Dems to have better candidates. Their current level of delusion is bad for everyone.

You call yourself a conservative, just curious, have you read any of the books by William Buckley or George Will?
 
And even this fictional caricature would be better than the amoral, incompetent imbecile in the White House today.

It's easy to dish it out when you have nothing to back it up. Black unemployment lowest ever, latino unemployment lowest ever, and unemployment in general is lowest in 50 years. And that is just one of the bigger items. America is better because of Trump. Regardless of if you like him or not.
 
Facts.
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Then why are you wanting tax breaks for the incredibly wealthy? Do you want to take responsibility and fix our deficit, or do you want to give free stuff to people who don't need it?

If you're following that ideology, you probably don't want regulation either. So we can watch healthcare rates climb and climb with no relief in sight until that is the ultimate undoing of our entire society. Or we can do something about it besides empty promises and thoughts and prayers.

Some broad assumptions there buddy. You think fixing our deficit will happen with free healthcare? And universal income? wait a minute.....
 
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It just feels never ending. I'm so fed up and tired of politics already. It's always in your face and people are being so nasty to each other, even over minor disagreements. I worry for the future.

Indeed.

Perhaps my memory glossing over things, but it seems that thirty years ago people could discuss contrasting viewpoints with respect and civility. Sure there were smears in campaigns, but the average folks on the street tended to discuss things rationally. Somewhere along the path we seem to have lost that.
 
It's easy to dish it out when you have nothing to back it up. Black unemployment lowest ever, latino unemployment lowest ever, and unemployment in general is lowest in 50 years. And that is just one of the bigger items. America is better because of Trump. Regardless of if you like him or not.


Do you people not know how charts work? Because all you need to do is look at one. https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/black-unemployment-rate-2009-to-2017-1.jpg

Under Obama black unemployment went down *faster*, under Trump black unemployment still went down, but slowed down. If an apple became the president in 2017 the same thing would have happened, it's called a "trend".

There's no excuse for this trend slowing down under Trump though. He reversed the trend. First he slowed it down, and now it's actually rising. https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-black-unemployment-20190521-story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/26/trumps-outdated-spin-black-unemployment-rate/
 
Do you people not know how charts work? Because all you need to do is look at one. https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/black-unemployment-rate-2009-to-2017-1.jpg

Under Obama black unemployment went down *faster*, under Trump black unemployment still went down, but slowed down. If an apple became the president in 2017 the same thing would have happened, it's called a "trend".

There's no excuse for this trend slowing down under Trump though. He reversed the trend. First he slowed it down, and now it's actually rising. https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-black-unemployment-20190521-story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/26/trumps-outdated-spin-black-unemployment-rate/

Lol, look at when Obama took office. Much better trend under Trump. You lose.

And to answer your question I do know how charts work, and how people like you and leftists use these charts to push your false narrative.
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