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I am waiting for him to tell us how the Atlantic is a right-wing nazi propaganda rag.
I've seen this sentiment multiple places. It makes no sense. Removing Confederate monuments does not, and can not change history. Removing the monuments is about not celebrating the activities of people who were fighting for, among other things, the right to continue to own people. So, no one should forget these Confederate "luminaries". To the contrary, they should be remembered - not celebrated or memorialized... for what they did and what they believed. Not remembering is how we got to where we are now.
I'm just waiting for Apple to support renaming/removing/disclaiming things like the list below. Apple needs to stay out of politics - or be honest and help rid the world of racism, sexism and its supporters in truth.
1. All the Robert Byrd (D), KKK Exalted Cyclops, places name for him, tributes to him etc.
2. Al Gore, Sr - huge segregationist etc. monuments etc
3. Point out that Hillary Clinton won an award named for the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger who believed in eugenics ("a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring." "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population." - some excuse that as "an inartfully written sentence" - yes, when she stated her true goals, it was inartful to admit). Of course, the racists and sexists would never be the statists who want the government to control people. (PP clinics are "located in target areas such as college campuses and in impoverished, inner-city neighborhoods" strangely targeting a certain group.). I am disgusted by these kinds of statements and the fact that HRC got an award from them and didn't disclaim it. (Google "Planned Parenthood founded on racism, belief in protecting society against ‘the unfit’".)
4. Fulbright. Nothing more needs to be said.
5. ...many more examples...
I can see why Democrats want to remove the statues of the Democrat segregationists and Democrat KKK members all over the south. It must be embarrassing to admit that it is their history. That is a TRUE "Inconvenient History".
1. All the Robert Byrd (D), KKK Exalted Cyclops, places name for him, tributes to him etc.
2. Al Gore, Sr - huge segregationist etc. monuments etc
3. Point out that Hillary Clinton won an award named for the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger who believed in eugenics ("a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring." "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population." - some excuse that as "an inartfully written sentence" - yes, when she stated her true goals, it was inartful to admit). Of course, the racists and sexists would never be the statists who want the government to control people. (PP clinics are "located in target areas such as college campuses and in impoverished, inner-city neighborhoods" strangely targeting a certain group.). I am disgusted by these kinds of statements and the fact that HRC got an award from them and didn't disclaim it. (Google "Planned Parenthood founded on racism, belief in protecting society against ‘the unfit’".)
4. Fulbright. Nothing more needs to be said.
5. ...many more examples...
I can see why Democrats want to remove the statues of the Democrat segregationists and Democrat KKK members all over the south. It must be embarrassing to admit that it is their history. That is a TRUE "Inconvenient History".
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This is excellent news. I planned on donating to *a* cause over all of this but beyond that didn’t know about any organisations as I’m not American. So this makes it much easier for me! Thanks Apple.
Jesus christ, so many people are derailing this thread, it should just be locked since nearly every post is violating the forum rules, particularly #3.
This is excellent. I can use all these posts to see who are the real life villain on MR and block them.
Posting sources and generating open discussion is not violating anything.
I understand if you don't like the other poster's point of view, but to silence them isn't exactly contributing to a 1st amendment based society. Sounds like Nazi Germany to only allow points of view that you agree with.
And Tim really should focus on running Apple. He's getting way outside of his scope as CEO, which is to turn a profit for shareholders. Yes, a rich white guy focusing on capitalism while dodging corporate taxes as much as possible. The irony is thick with this one. If his moral compass is as strong as he thinks it is, he would relieve himself of his duties (and stop contributing to abhorrent labor violations at factories). But, that profit tho...so delicious, huh Tim?
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This is what Germany does to Nazis. They ban symbols and rhetoric in public. US should do the same with confederate flags/monuments and nazi flags. Germany doesn't celebrate its dark past or its culture, it makes sure children know that their dark past is seen as Dark
I personally visited Dachau. It left a permanent impact on me that serves as a constant reminder we never want to repeat that part of history.
So they closed all of these? No? They should by your logic.
History teaches us valuable lessons. Symbols of any country's dark past help bring an omnipresence to it and generate open discussion and education. Concentration camps aren't celebratory things, just as statues aren't.
This is exactly what the SPLC does. Morris Dees was a conman. If you check his history during the 1960's in Alabama he was a marketing conman via US mail like an infomercial "entrepreneur". Dees also defended the KKK (true story) The SPLC would send out mail solicitations to "fight hate" with their courtroom success stories profiling victims of hate who they claimed they won millions of dollars in settlements for. What the SPLC did not tell anyone was that they collected virtually nothing for the victims since those they sued were dirt poor with no assets (and no ability to contest the SPLC suit in court). Meanwhile, the SPLC had over a hundred million dollars then and as someone posted over three hundred million US dollars now, but they gave nothing to these victims of hate. One of the victims who the SPLC claimed a $7 million settlement against the KKK actually received a couple of thousand dollars.
As recently as 2010 Morris Dees was paying himself $350,000 per year in salary from the SPLC "non-profit". The others you see turn up as their spokespeople (all white people too, the entire office at their headquarters is all white) also make huge money every year.
Google: The Church of Morris Dees
As for the ADL, ask the Palestinians where the ADL stands on the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people. What did the ADL ever do to seek justice for Rachel Corrie?
They will transfer 100 percent RIGHT AFTER they take the money and short-term invest it to make some profit. Apple doesn't do anything without making a profit.
Every aspect of Nazi past in germany is in the form of museums. Public flags and such on public buildings and public use facilities is a notion that this past is celebrated and accepted norm. For items people want to use to remember yet condemn belong in a museum or rememberance area not a public area like federal, state and local facilities/parks
SPLC is, without any exception, targeting the white population. They are fighting against "anti-migration", "anti-muslim", "anti-left". If they where anti-extremists, in any form or color, I would support them. Violent terrorist groups like antifa and BLM are not mentioned at all. Neither is the strong anti-semittism from the left. There is something fundamentally wrong in society when it is ok to discriminate people of a certain color or belief. Aren't we supposed to fight that?
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"And Tim really should focus on running Apple."
That is his focus. (see below)
"He's getting way outside of his scope of CEO, which is to turn a profit for shareholders."
No he's not. Since becoming CEO Apple shareholders have profited handsomely.
We have museums too.
But yeah, tear them all down. Including Lincoln. And don't forget Bill's statue. And Lenin in Seattle. Mt. Rushmore must come down. Washington's monument too. Hell, let's pull an ISIS Palmyra and just erase the past. That'll work!
All of them must go. Once they are eradicated, race relations will be swell. Yeah, no. That requires human connection, discussion and compassion statues or not. Statues went untouched for 8++ years. Why all of a sudden, aside from having a scapegoat to blame everything on?
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I stopped buying from Apple a year and a half ago except some iTunes. The main reason was Apple's lack of support for me over repair issues and my perception that Apple no longer cares about it's customers.
Tim's SJW issues leads me to the conclusion that I made the correct decision to limit my spending on Apple products.
Hello, you know that parties change over time, right? Here in the UK our two major parties have changed rapidly in the past decade, going back generations and there are no comparisons to their modern equivalents. At such a distance it makes sense to judge the individual rather than the party. Don’t you think?
My guess at the timeline of Tim Cook reaction:
1. SPLC has recently been in the spotlight regarding gay discrimination issues
2. Tim Cook is familiar with this
3. SPLC is mentioned regarding Charlottesville because they've been posting about Jason Kessler (the alt-right guy protesting the statue removal measure by alt-left guy, Wes Bellamy, Vice-Mayor of Charlottesville)
4. Tim Cook watches TV
5. Tim Cook is triggered without thinking and throws money at lawyers close to a unrelated cause he is personally close to
Here's a big problem: The SPLC has an extensive write up about Kessler here: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler
This whole event is in the context of a larger ongoing grudge match between this clown and this other clown Bellamy. However Bellamy is also a documented hate-filled, stupid bigot for some incredibly vile stuff he's posted to Twitter. The SPLC mentions this briefly in their Kessler write-up, (but only dead links to claims on Kessler's personal site).
To be clear, 8 months ago, Wes Bellamy resigned from the Virginia Board of Education in disgrace over this (why he didn't resign as vice-mayor as well, nobody seems to question). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...vulgar-tweets-surface/?utm_term=.e0356ff8139b
But the SPLC who is jumping all over Kessler, couldn't be bothered to cover Bellamy's directly related bigotry, nor his long associations and membership in alt-left groups, one of the main ones involved in the riots in Charlottesville.
At the very least, the SPLC is selectively lazy in their focus, at worst they are picking sides among hate groups for shallow political affiliation reasons. Whatever the angle, its inexcusable.
Apple looks foolish and incredibly shallow, for directly supporting a group thats practicing willful ignorance over hate. Tim Cook screwed up royal here rushing to be white knight, these are not the good guys. He needs to quickly write a retraction, rescind Apple's donation, and redirect Apple's 'generosity' to a more appropriate entity, before this completely explodes in his face.
1. SPLC has recently been in the spotlight regarding gay discrimination issues
2. Tim Cook is familiar with this
3. SPLC is mentioned regarding Charlottesville because they've been posting about Jason Kessler (the alt-right guy protesting the statue removal measure by alt-left guy, Wes Bellamy, Vice-Mayor of Charlottesville)
4. Tim Cook watches TV
5. Tim Cook is triggered without thinking and throws money at lawyers close to a unrelated cause he is personally close to
Here's a big problem: The SPLC has an extensive write up about Kessler here: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler
This whole event is in the context of a larger ongoing grudge match between this clown and this other clown Bellamy. However Bellamy is also a documented hate-filled, stupid bigot for some incredibly vile stuff he's posted to Twitter. The SPLC mentions this briefly in their Kessler write-up, (but only dead links to claims on Kessler's personal site).
To be clear, 8 months ago, Wes Bellamy resigned from the Virginia Board of Education in disgrace over this (why he didn't resign as vice-mayor as well, nobody seems to question). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...vulgar-tweets-surface/?utm_term=.e0356ff8139b
But the SPLC who is jumping all over Kessler, couldn't be bothered to cover Bellamy's directly related bigotry, nor his long associations and membership in alt-left groups, one of the main ones involved in the riots in Charlottesville.
At the very least, the SPLC is selectively lazy in their focus, at worst they are picking sides among hate groups for shallow political affiliation reasons. Whatever the angle, its inexcusable.
Apple looks foolish and incredibly shallow, for directly supporting a group thats practicing willful ignorance over hate. Tim Cook screwed up royal here rushing to be white knight, these are not the good guys. He needs to quickly write a retraction, rescind Apple's donation, and redirect Apple's 'generosity' to a more appropriate entity, before this completely explodes in his face.
What political agenda is being shoved down whose throats?
I see no reason for apple to go outside of the United States. apple is one company that is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. Your post proves that.
I can agree with you on banning these things going forward, however history should remain unchanged. Good or bad.
Nobody is ripping down the coliseum in Rome, because of what happened in it.
The Germans are not demolishing Dachau and other Nazi sites.
The church isn't denying their religious "witch burning" history or sexual priest conducts.
There was and is still an outcry when Japan removed important history of it's doing, claiming: We are all friends now.
The lists go on and on.
Monuments, buildings and negative things that happened are part of life. They are there to help educate people and maybe NOT to repeat those kind of things. The dumb folks just don't get it.
If we want to be holier than thou, we might as well pull all the documentaries about bad things happening all over the world. The "Hitler" channel (as some call it) aka the History channel shows Hitler documentaries which are some of their highest rated programs.
Roots was a successful TV show. Bad stuff doesn't go away by ignoring it.
Again, ban all that is unpleasant?
Humans are in general unpleasant and whatever atrocities you can dream up, they pale in comparison to what people have already done and do in the name of an ideology or personal afflictions.
A plaque would also be "changing history" (the history of the statue, that is--which is not an accurate portrayal of what really happened). But if you're okay with that, we should keep it visual. How about erecting a statue nearby of a slave being dragged or whipped, and change the statue of the confederate "hero" so that it's clear that the proud, handsome man on the horse is the one responsible for the suffering.
That is exactly where this is going. The Lincoln Memorial where Trump marched to the evening of his inauguration will have to go as Lincoln is a certified and outspoken white supremacist. There is no debate to have on that issue. Lincoln stated this unequivocally and held many meetings in the White House with black leaders encouraging them to emigrate out to an area of Central America known as Nicaragua today and also to Liberia, Africa.
Leftist leaders earlier this week in response to Trump have indeed called for the taking down of statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as well as their removal from Mt Rushmore.
Wake up and Google it.