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Apple Now Accepting Donations to Southern Poverty Law Center Following Charlottesville Protests
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A lot of non-racist Christian groups are on the SPLC "hate watch" list. Um, yeah, I'll pass.
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As it looks to a non-American, atonement is required because inequalities born in that era still exist today. Pure egalitarianism is great! It’s a shame we can’t have that because previous mistakes need to be balanced out still.
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Antifa are facists and totalitarians? Please explain. I really want to hear this.
I consider myself to be independent. I am socially liberal and fiscally consertive. I didn't vote for Obama or Trump or a 3rd party candidate.
Thanks and enjoy the eclipse today if you can.
[doublepost=1503328936][/doublepost]I wonder if I am the only one wishing Tim Cook was replaced, I am tired of his leftist political grandstanding.![]()
As planned, Apple is now accepting donations to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based non-profit organization, through iTunes. The donation prompt was spotted by Twitter user setteBIT.
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iTunes users in the United States can donate $5, $10, $25, $50, $100, or $200 with a credit card tied to their account. Apple will transfer 100 percent of the proceeds to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which says it is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, protecting civil rights, and seeking justice.
Following a "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where white nationalists and supremacists clashed with counter-protestors over the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue, Apple said it will be making contributions of $1 million each to the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.
Apple said it will also match two-for-one its employees' donations to those and several other human rights groups, between now and September 30.
Apple has also disabled Apple Pay support on websites selling white nationalist and hate group apparel and accessories. Apple's guidelines prevent Apple Pay from being used on sites promoting hate, intolerance, and violence based on race, age, gender, gender identity, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation.
Apple CEO Tim Cook's full letter to employees was obtained by MacRumors:Southern Poverty Law Center operates offices in four U.S. states, including Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
Apple says iTunes Store credit cannot be used to make a donation. The fine print also says donations may not qualify for a tax deduction.
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Article Link: Apple Now Accepting Donations to Southern Poverty Law Center Following Charlottesville Protests
It is controversial and shame on Apple for their virtue signalling.
While not an expert in history, I have read and contemplated a fair amount on this topic. I'm on the side of "states rights", but see the notion differently. It wasn't so much about the rights of states to support slavery as it was the right to pull out of the United States. Less than 100 years prior the US had fought a battle with England that we call the "Revolutionary War" but the Brit's saw as a "civil war for separation". In both instances a sub-group was dissatisfied with the status-quo and decided to split off. From what I know of the founding leaders of the US - who openly supported the right to separate - I cannot imagine them intending to prevent states from separating in the future.
The application to slavery is a bit less concrete, but essentially it is that the economy of the southern states was in large measure based on agriculture (cotton, tobacco, etc.)... which was priced based on having a large population of essentially 'free' labor.
I am NOT in any way justifying it. Rather simply stating the facts as I understand them. I also need to restate the obvious points that not everyone owned slaves and the percentage of slave owners was small compared to the population. The large majority of southerns - regardless of their position on succession - were just average people trying to make a living and support their families.
As for people fighting for the Confederacy, many of them were simply fighting because they were called to. The "War of Northern Aggression" was, to many people, fought to prevent one group - the Northern, manufacturing focused states - from unfairly taxing the other group and redistributing it.
As for slavery itself, yes... it WAS a major factor in the way, but it wasn't the primary driver.
Absolutely agree, the State's Rights argument is semantic ********. It wasn't about any other right than slavery, nobody was fighting over walnut tariffs, etc.
However only a tiny percentage of Southerns were slave owners, and it should be mentioned that African Americans were also a small percentage of slave owners themselves. There were a lot of people caught up in that war by much larger forces. And let's not forget, the Northerners weren't exactly doing this out of noble intent nor with noble methods.
Most of the political power in the North behind absolution was based on pressure from industries looking for cheap labor in Northern factories, that they could pay next to 'slave wages'. Also General Sherman didn't just fight battles, he famously and indiscriminately burned his way 'to the sea' across the South.
Not all Confederate army officers were for slavery, and a large number of Southerners were rightly resentful of brutal Northern methods, and naturally rooting for those that were fighting against this. For example you can be against gang related crime, but still pissed at the police when they destroy your house to get at them.
However... EVERYONE should know this by now. This is all junior high level history, and unless your education was so poor to exclude this, its worth remembering Lincoln called for reconciliation with the South, rather than punishment. Everybody would do well to wise up and remember that.
Too bad that doesn't extend to your Chinese employees who you pay peanuts.
Yeah, kinda rings hollow in light of that, doesn't it?
History isn't being changed. Removing the statues is about not celebrating a group of traitors who hated the USA, left the country, gave their cornerstone speech which defended slavery and white supremacy and then proceeded to attack our country and American troops when our first Republican president told them that slavery has been abolished and they must comply.
What policies and powers? People are simply speaking up against any kind of Nazism in our society.
"promoted traditional marriage" is a cute way of saying they only support marriage for straight people and not gay people.
Marriage is a legal contract between 2 people that is issued by the government, which has to remain impartial to all citizens of that country that are eligible.
That agency you mentioned wants to use religion to dictate that our secular, taxpayer funded government should deny equal rights and tax benefits to those same taxpayers due to sexual orientation, which makes them a hate group promoting hostility towards gay people.
The permit doesn't refer to a group, it refers to a specific area and time. Once it has been issued then anybody can protest in that area during that specific time.
So yes those counterprotesters are also allowed to exercise their same 1st amendment rights you claim to be defending.
Speaking out against nazism is, or at least should be, a non-partisan issue. Your post attacking Apple for speaking up is the reason why Apple, among others, has to speak out in the first place.
And why are they speaking out now? Because it just happened now...
Speaking out against nazism is not superficial nor a "personal agenda".
Oh and the company is doing fine as shown by their rapidly increasing value.
So why are you triggered when Democrats remove these statues?
And since you are well versed in our history then can you also explain to us why Republicans are the ones embracing these confederate statutes, flags and the KKK?
No you didn't. You visited the Dachau Concentration Camp Memorial Site which condemns nazism and teaches visitors the horrors that happened and why it was/is wrong.
This is unlike our situation of using taxpayers money to place statutes of American traitors onto taxpayer funded government property with no attempt at educating but instead depicting the confederates in a proud light.
Your whining about "targeting the white population" is patently false.
They have listed the Nation Of Islam (a black and muslim/islam group) as a hate group, New Black Panther Party (a black and anti-semitic group) as a hate group and have a whole file on the Black Separatist ideology for being anti-white among other things.
What you really meant is that you don't like when the SPLC speaks up against nazism.
Speaking out against nazism is not an SJW issue.
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This.
Trumps press event that he was criticized about was a discussion that had 4 groups in it that he talked about. Nazis, people not wanting statues torn down, people wanting statues torn down and the Antifa black masked baseball swinging alt left people.
Trump SAID BOTH SIDES had bad people. The Nazis and the black masked baseball bat swinging alt left Antifa like violent thugs. This is true. That's 2 groups. Are Nazis worse than the antifa people? I think they are both bad. Maybe one is a 98 out of 100 on the bad people scale and the other is a 99 but they are both bad.
Trump also said there are good people that were there. Those were the peaceful people assembling in support or opposition of the statue being taking down. There are arguments on both sides. But the groups that showed up in support or opposition who did so peacefully and should be held up as being good people for behaving like good people even if you don't agree with their stance. That is the freedom of assembly, speech and expression that we should hold dear and ensure is not weakened in any way. Trump spoke about that in his speech and now everyone is thinking this:
They are thinking that trump said the good people were the Nazi's when he was referring to the two peaceful groups. They think when he is saying there are bad dudes on the both sides that he is comparing the Nazis to the peaceful anti statute folks.
This comprehension error on the part of CEO's, the mainstream media and the leftist groups is causing an undue uproar and it is why you hear people saying Trump did nothing wrong but the ears of the hateful people on the left wont listen to this reasoning. They want trump gone and will believe a lie to go in that direction, but just like the election, this info is wrong and they are going to be surprised when they get nowhere with their movement because it is all based on a lie. Trump is not the racist they try make him out to be, going down that path is going to get the left confused and they will fail.
You know America is in a very dark place if speaking out against Nazis is considered a "leftist" partisan stance.
If you are against discrimination, then you are a hypocrite if you support Apple giving money to the SPLC. Because that is exactly the trade that the SPLC is engaging in.
There is no way to spin Tim Cook giving them Apple's corporate cash as a noble cause. They are on the wrong side of hate along with the Neo-Nazis.
1. Apple should not be rewarding vile and revolting behavior with $$$.
2. Apple should not be encouraging their employees to give $ in the name of equality to groups that practice discrimination.
I'm all for Apple's corporate stance on equality, but Tim Cook is a hypocritical creep, if he doesn't fix this.
Some links for the few who still think SPLC is legitimate:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...verty-law-center-hate-groups-column/99117508/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...splc-trump-southern-poverty-law-center-215312
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Any person who raises the Nazi flag in the name of "free speech" is NOT a patriot.
No way around it. Apple is helping to fund a hate group.
As a stock holder I would agree with you. I dont like seeing the company money donated to any 'causes'. Especially if they are politically oriented causes. If Tim wanted to donate his own money, more power to him. Even if they wanted to put the link up for customers to donate via itunes. That is fine because they do that for natural disasters etc even though I think this organization is ultra political and would rather them not.... But I would rather company money be used to further the businesses success.
As an alternate perspective, I don't care for Apple - AS A COMPANY - getting involved in promoting anything other than Apple. The same is true for every other company.
Tim Cook, however, has the right and responsibility to promote whatever perspectives he chooses.
The problem comes when Tim Cook purports to speak for all of Apple. That includes employees and stockholders, and on the surface implies customers.
Again, just my perspective, but it explains the issue without requiring anyone to be in favor of bigotry.
They may as well be against antibiotics, because viruses and bacteria deserve to freely express themselves too.
If Apple is pulling Apple Pay from any sites the promote “intolerance”, then they should pull Apple Pay from Apples site, since Tim Cook is intolerent of any one with opinions other than his alt Left ones.
99.99999999% of the people would agree, but that is there right. Free speech gives them the right to offend whom ever they'd like.