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Thirsty lawyers and idiotic users.

When it comes to user experience it's a double edged sword. You either tell your user everything and overburden them with options (essentially turning into android) or risk lawsuits by just doing what is in best interest for your end users. However... what this isn't, is planned obsolescence... There are far easier ways to do that if they really wanted to which could not be pinned on them in court.

I think people with their phones rebooting would be more likely to buy a new phone than people with phones that continue working albeit a little slower occasionally. Apple actually extended the life of the phones and not made them obsolete. Only thing they did wrong was not be transparent enough about it.

I guess a disclaimer like "Your phones battery is degraded, your phone may run slower because of this to allow continued operation." would be all it took to avoid this. It's just hilarious how people think they caught Apple doing something against them not understanding the complexity of this situation.

This is why we can't have nice things.
This is a little short sighted I think. Apple have been in this game for long enough and would have known about this potential issue. They chose to roll the dice....and they lost.
 
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I haven't read all of the details and posts, so forgive me if I'm being redundant, but if they released software that intentionally slowed the iPhones ability below its advertised capabilities then they should/will lose.
 
Why are no such lawsuits being filed against Microsoft, Dell and other companies who have been implementing same feature to prevent unexpected laptop shutdowns?
This is just so stupid on so many levels. No doubt Apple could have handled it better with an alert that the phone might run slower due to the state of the battery but it's funny how people feel like this was some direct attack on them. This should have been part of the power management long ago. I'm not sure about others... but I prefer a working slightly slower phone over a constantly reboot (but super fast!!!) phone.
 
It's nauseating to realize how many people here said it DIDN'T HAPPEN! Countless people and posts screaming that Apple was being needlessly burned at the stake for something that literally WAS NOT HAPPENING... Yet, surprise, surprise, it was!!

Very American thinking. Maybe the people didn't have the problem? Very ignorant to think your situation is the norm. I love little "nauseating" exaggeration though. You fit in this site quite well.

I think Apple even denied it at one point - surprise, surprise, they lied! Now, watch the magic of the chorus turning from it never happened to, it did happen and thank god it did! All hail TC!

Do you have evidence of that? Maybe a link? You do fit here quite well.
 
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This is a little short sighted I think. Apple have been in this game for long enough and would have known about this potential issue. They chose to roll the dice....and they lost.
No it's not, it's reality when it comes to technology. Apple did what was in the best interest of the user. Problem is the typical Apple user is too stupid to understand that.

You literally rather have a phone unusable and rebooting constantly than a phone that's a little slower... just think about it. Apple should have gave more info, on changes and battery state. Thats it.
 
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Thirsty lawyers and idiotic users.

I think people with their phones rebooting would be more likely to buy a new phone than people with phones that continue working albeit a little slower occasionally. Apple actually extended the life of the phones and not made them obsolete.

You have to ask yourself though - if they were just doing us all a favor by slowing down these handsets until they are barely usable - why did they not say so??

Also, I am guessing that you do not have one of the throttled handsets...I had one, and it is BARELY usable. Throttled the processor by more than 50% and it just limps along. That is not extending the life of the phone. Just makes people think their phone is "dying" and then they start looking at the new iPhone X.
 
Very American thinking. Maybe the people didn't have the problem? Very ignorant to think your situation is the norm. I love little "nauseating" exaggeration though. You fit in this site quite well.



Do you have evidence of that? Maybe a link? You do fit here quite well.
Just. Wow.
To use your example. Why did those people who didn't have the problem deny it could happen at all. Dang, incredible post.
I used to frequent the official Apple support forums, I don't any more. The people there, (usual suspects), would deny any problems and usually say it's your machine and not the OS. Then guess what, the problem was addressed in an update.
 
I get it Apple could have been more clear about the changes they made to power management but that doesn't mean they were slowing peoples phones down get them to buy new ones.

Then why not openly say that? Let’s face it, Apple is a business and with any business they spotted an opportunity to prey on those who genuinely believed their phones were getting slow and old. Apple knew these folks would see no other option but to upgrade their slow phones to newer models thereby increasing Apples profits!
 
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You have to ask yourself though - if they were just doing us all a favor by slowing down these handsets until they are barely usable - why did they not say so??

Also, I am guessing that you do not have one of the throttled handsets...I had one, and it is BARELY usable. Throttled the processor by more than 50% and it just limps along. That is not extending the life of the phone. Just makes people think their phone is "dying" and then they start looking at the new iPhone X.
What would make you switch your phone faster, an unreliable Phone that is constantly rebooting or a 100% working phone though a little slow?
 
No it's not, it's reality when it comes to technology. Apple did what was in the best interest of the user. Problem is the typical Apple user is too stupid to understand that.

You literally rather have a phone unusable and rebooting constantly than a phone that's a little slower... just think about it. Apple should have gave more info, on changes and battery state. Thats it.
Apple knew what was happening, they had millions of phones uploading millions of logs when iTunes synced them. They would have tested this on the bench during development.
They then decide what the cost of fixing the problem is. All companies behave this way, you cannot release a perfect product - it's the extent to which they do it that matters. They see a problem and decide whether it's worth fixing at all, whether it'll be software, hardware or both. But they make that choice, count on it.
You have two options;
Tell your customer up front that they need a new battery. Don't let them come to the store and tell them you've tested it and the battery is fine.
 
I get it Apple could have been more clear about the changes they made to power management but that doesn't mean they were slowing peoples phones down get them to buy new ones.

Most people don't think of power management, they would just think their phone is old and go buy a new phone.
 
It absolutely did. My 4S had it happen a lot.

My 4S did but only on iOS 7. It would shut off at like 40%.

Went back to iOS 6 (which you can do on that model) and now it goes right down to 1%, stays there a bit, then turns off.
 
My iPhone 6 is absolutely unusable. I'm all for this. It's a shame I've completely lost trust in Apple. Every time I turn on my iMac and it's crawling... I'll have the same thought.
 
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You know . I never saw you complain about the countless news stories about the note 7 battery woes......

This is major news impacting many Apple fans, look, if you don't like it, no one is forcing yourself and others to click .......and complain . I frankly don't see the point of whinging that the story is still being covered.

Remember, don't like it, don't click on it ;)
How many front page stories did MR have regarding Note 7? Since I don’t own anything Samsung I don’t really follow Samsung news. Even if I did, I wouldn’t go to MacRumors to read it. How about one story for lawsuits that gets updated as new lawsuits are filed. From what I can tell there isn’t anything new here, it’s just another lawsuit.
 
I get it Apple could have been more clear about the changes they made to power management but that doesn't mean they were slowing peoples phones down get them to buy new ones.

It just happens to be a very beneficial primary side-effect. ;)

It's not like people with throttled phones had the slightest clue that their battery health was causing CPU throttling, especially since the throttling begins while the battery is "Healthy" and Apple wouldn't replace it.
 
Apple knew what was happening, they had millions of phones uploading millions of logs when iTunes synced them. They would have tested this on the bench during development.
They then decide what the cost of fixing the problem is. All companies behave this way, you cannot release a perfect product - it's the extent to which they do it that matters. They see a problem and decide whether it's worth fixing at all, whether it'll be software, hardware or both. But they make that choice, count on it.
You have two options;
Tell your customer up front that they need a new battery. Don't let them come to the store and tell them you've tested it and the battery is fine.

I've had the iPhone 6, 6S, and now 7. My phones didn't reboot which means my battery was fine, which means my phone would not run slow. This is not some widespread bug, it's what happens with batteries on any devices over long periods of time. I don't understand your logic.
 
No it's not, it's reality when it comes to technology. Apple did what was in the best interest of the user. Problem is the typical Apple user is too stupid to understand that.

You literally rather have a phone unusable and rebooting constantly than a phone that's a little slower... just think about it. Apple should have gave more info, on changes and battery state. Thats it.

Apple did what's most profitable and not what's best in the interest of the customer.

Preventing the phone from prematurely shutting down by throttling performance is a side effect of covering up a battery defect. That's unacceptable for a root cause fix which would be to replace the defective battery.

Throttling is permanent while shutting down is temporary until the battery is replaced.
 
My iPhone 6 is absolutely unusable. I'm all for this. It's a shame I've completely lost trust in Apple. Every time I turn on my iMac and it's crawling... I'll have the same thought.

My 2010 MacBook Pro runs like a dog under El Capitan (let alone Sierra/HS) but gets very good battery life still, ~6 hours.

Windows and Linux run very well on it but the battery life is halved.

I think most of the difference is attributed to it running the dGPU full time in Windows/Linux but perhaps there's something similar.
 
Ok. Please tel me what legally should/will happen in the following "made up, but probably real for may hundreds or even thousand of people" scenario.

You'd iPhone you bought 1 year or two ago, seems to be getting slower and slower.
You read some online articles, of people, perhaps inc even Apple denying anything.

So, due to this, you go and spend $1000 on a new phone, as you assume quite rightly your phone is no longer any good.

Now, a few months later, you find out, it was Apple slowing the device down, and for £29 your old phone woul dbe ok again, and you did not need to spend the $1000 after all.

So where does that leave you and Apple ?

Apple offering a free battery and to take back your new phone for a full refund ?
 
Apple isn't paying for this.

Look for the cost of the current iPhones to climb even higher!
 
How will the apple lawyers stay employed if they didn't get all these lawsuits to tackle.. everybody needs a job dude ! :p
 
I think people with their phones rebooting would be more likely to buy a new phone than people with phones that continue working albeit a little slower occasionally. Apple actually extended the life of the phones and not made them obsolete. Only thing they did wrong was not be transparent enough about it.

I guess a disclaimer like "Your phones battery is degraded, your phone may run slower because of this to allow continued operation." would be all it took to avoid this. It's just hilarious how people think they caught Apple doing something against them not understanding the complexity of this situation.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Yeah sure, i buy a 1200€ phone and it starts ****ing rebooting a year after, while i am writing an email, without being told why or how to avoid it and well, what do i do, i buy a new one from the same company. For more money this time cause, yeah **** my wallet, phone’s more expensive now, its got like 2mpixels more.
 
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