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What would make you switch your phone faster, an unreliable Phone that is constantly rebooting or a 100% working phone though a little slow?

It's not a little slow, it's *painfully* slow after the throttling update.
Either way you want a new phone - HOWEVER if Apple had made clear that a battery replacement would fix the SLOWNESS & crashing issues, then millions would not have replaced their handsets. And that is one of the bigger points here.

It's a $700 fix for a $2 battery issue. And Apple wins.
 
I don't have a worldwide list, but here are the ones in the United States. There are some duplicates. This information is from PACER, which costs money to access.

In no particular order, here are the last names of the slowdown lawsuits:

1 - Hakimi
2 - Rabinovits
3 - Harvey
4 - Gallmann
5 - Mailyan
6 - Drantivy
7 - Lazarus
8 - Neilan
9 - Miller
10 - Batista
11 - LaNasa
12 - Schroeder
13 - Burton
14 - McInnis
15 - Mohammed
16 - Bogdanovich
17 - Mangano
18 - Sullivan-Stefanou
19 - Honigman
20 - Cook
21 - Aburos
22 - Mallh
23 - McInnis

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I'm no mathematician, but those seem to be way more tan 23.

post-data: "Apple Vacations"? lol
 
The issues at hand are so technical that the judges are going to fall asleep listening to battery engineers and systems designers and power management engineers discuss the pros and cons of the best way to address the variable voltage of an aging battery in a way that is such a HUGE violation it was only found in synthetic testing and never noticed by normal people. They have to prove harm - but the Iphone was slowed down to became the second fastest phone on the market vs the newest iPhone.

Lawyers get billions. Each 6s owner gets a nickel but the satisfaction of having their hysteria at the trade offs of modern technology vindicated!
 
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How many front page stories did MR have regarding Note 7? Since I don’t own anything Samsung I don’t really follow Samsung news. Even if I did, I wouldn’t go to MacRumors to read it. How about one story for lawsuits that gets updated as new lawsuits are filed. From what I can tell there isn’t anything new here, it’s just another lawsuit.

Each twist of the note 7 was covered.

Shall we go back and have a look at your posts on those note 7 stories ? Are you sure you did not leave a few comments ?

As I said, no one is forcing you to read them. Ignore them maybe? I've never seen you complain about too many positive stories , like say each model of automobile that got Apple support ....

This is only going through get worse ..... like it or not, it's huge news about the most popular apple product.
 
It's not a little slow, it's *painfully* slow after the throttling update.
Either way you want a new phone - HOWEVER if Apple had made clear that a battery replacement would fix the SLOWNESS & crashing issues, then millions would not have replaced their handsets. And that is one of the bigger points here.

It's a $700 fix for a $2 battery issue. And Apple wins.
And again, I agree with them giving users more info on what is going on but I also understand why they didn't. Most people choose apple because of the simplicity and they don't want to know a bunch of this stuff. Though it was the wrong choice in this case. I just don't think this was some money grab.
 
Still more nonsense about this. Good grief people need to learn how batteries function and how programming works.

That doesn't apply to Apple. Slow down is to cover faulty batteries, not normal batteries degraded over time. I have an iPad, which is not suppose to have a battery issue, which should be excluded from the code that slow down iPhone, however after ios10 it became slow, but usable, ios11 crippled the device. So, you are wrong... this is not a normal scenario. They are slowing the devices... battery is just one reason but I think they are no telling the complete truth.
 
I haven't read all of the details and posts, so forgive me if I'm being redundant, but if they released software that intentionally slowed the iPhones ability below its advertised capabilities then they should/will lose.

Please find where they advertised a specific numeric frequency or verifiable performance capability (gigaHertz, megaflops, etc.)? It's quite possible that any slowdown still exceeded any numeric specifications they advertised.
 
You've cited software throttling the CPU from iOS 10.2.1. I'm asking you for a source on:



There is a difference between software and hardware. Hardware is the battery itself. Software is iOS.

I'm just wondering what source you have that they skimped on battery quality from the iPhone 6.
Source? Nowadays the boundaries of hardware and software are blurred, the hardware performance is so dynamic that it now resembles the software paradigm and what was once only achieved in software is now occurring in hardware. Also Apple is a black box company, so everything is speculation, there should be no trust. All we know is the devices run slow, the batteries are probably not the only reason and we have Apple's word on the reasons - they are totally lacking in credibility IMO. The most likely reason is planned obsolescence. Retrospect is showing that a whole bunch of people have thrown away good money for a beautifully designed and engineered rubbish product.
 
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And again, I agree with them giving users more info on what is going on but I also understand why they didn't. Most people choose apple because of the simplicity and they don't want to know a bunch of this stuff. Though it was the wrong choice in this case. I just don't think this was some money grab.

Yes, 'simplicity' over performance. We all know what you would prefer now. Sigh!
 
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We need some State attorney generals to file lawsuits…

This happened when regulators in the UK, France, Australia were on holiday. Most come back next week and I would be surprised if they didn't look into it.

Australian law says that the guarantee on an iPhone is 2-3+ years and this action by Apple seems to be meddling with that, and the regulator has already taken Apple to court to force that guarantee and placed it on a compliance program which is why Apple was forced to place this notice online
https://www.apple.com/au/legal/statutory-warranty/
 
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That doesn't apply to Apple. Slow down is to cover faulty batteries, not normal batteries degraded over time. I have an iPad, which is not suppose to have a battery issue, which should be excluded from the code that slow down iPhone, however after ios10 it became slow, but usable, ios11 crippled the device. So, you are wrong... this is not a normal scenario. They are slowing the devices... battery is just one reason but I think they are no telling the complete truth.

Many people have 2 and 3 year old iPads running the latest iOS update without noticing any slowdown. So it's quite possible that this has nothing to do with Apple's power management (which would affect all iPads), but that you have a busted device, or corrupted settings.
 
In an alternate universe...

“My two year old mobile phone keeps shutting down!!!”

“Did you activate the setting to slow down the phone when your older battery does not have not enough voltage to run at full speed, or gets too hot?”

“Apple should do all that automatically!!! I’ll sue!”

Wait what?... you think the shut downs because of the battery are normal and expected on mobile phones? They were not invented yesterday.
 
Didn’t used to happen. They skimped on battery quality from iPhone 6 up.
Or maybe, just maybe, the CPUs and GPUs got more powerful, and Apple miscalculated what that COULD mean as batteries aged.

It is not in the average engineering team's mind to be overly concerned with what happens in a product two years down the road.

Hindsight is 20/20. Even in Product Design.
 
You say this as if it's always been a reality of iPhone ownership. It hasn't been. For some reason around the time the iPhone 6 arrived Apple suddenly seemed to have issues and concerns about battery degradation. What exactly caused this is unclear, but I'd love to get the answers one day.

Did they start using cheaper batteries? Did they realize they shipped a lot of faulty batteries, and instead of owning up to it they tried to fix it via software?

"It hasn't been."

It has been.

My iPhone 4s/5s, my wife's 5 and my kids 5C's ALL eventually reached a point where they would simply shutoff because of old batteries. The symptom would be that they would say 30 or 40% battery left and then next thing you notice is the 1% red battery icon and then it shutoff.

This poorly communicated change, if implemented on those older phones I listed, would have prevented that behavior. It would have also slowed them down.

I am not defending Apple's lack of communication nor the lack of an option to allow full speed with crashing. However I do NOT think Apple did this to push people to buy new phones.

Anything that has a Lithium battery eventually has a battery problem. From a PS4 controller to any laptop. Those usually result in a full charge lasting less and less depending upon the age or cycle count of the battery. Everyone here has probably had to use an old laptop (imagine some old plastic dell laptop) that gets 30-60min on a battery at best. Basically it becomes a desktop because it needs power all the time.
 
Why, because batteries degrade and are consumables.
And consumables should not be baked into a product that is supposed to last. All the phone manufacturers should return to user replaceable batteries until those batteries are no longer classified as consumable. There ought to be a law against it.
 
And again, I agree with them giving users more info on what is going on but I also understand why they didn't. Most people choose apple because of the simplicity and they don't want to know a bunch of this stuff. Though it was the wrong choice in this case. I just don't think this was some money grab.

Letting people know that they could fix their $700 phone's speed & crashing issues by replacing the battery is not "a bunch of this stuff."
This is not too hard for most anybody with a brain to comprehend! Geez.
 
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They were slowing them down to hide serious battery defects to avoid having to issue a recall on millions of iPhones.

Unintended consequence was that people thought their phone was old due to the new slowness and spent $800+ on a new iPhone.
That's true, if I'd known at the time the shutdowns and subsequent slowdowns were caused by the battery I would have been straight in to the nearest Apple store demanding a new battery under warranty. Millions of others would have probably done the same which is why I think they kept quiet about it.
 
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