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Then buy Samsung! Apple is fine with losing you as a customer, really!
Well, my only issue is that - fortunately - there are other Android alternatives than just Samsung. That bit of diversity is Android's strong point, though it's a double edged sword. Apple, being the sole source for Apple compatible products, has an advantage in both design and repair of their hardware and software products. In the past, that contributed to a reputation for their offerings being well made and reliable, with first class service available over the life of the products - though more expensive. That reputation has been tarnished the last few years. So yes, if all else fails, leave Apple and buy PCs and non-Apple phones. PCs even have the advantage of having two compatible systems available - Windows or Linux - and a plethora of different manufacturers from which to choose. Unfortunately with phones, though many manufacturers are still available, non-Android systems are next to non-existent. So with Apple, take it or leave it - they are the sole source, and they'd prefer to be the sole repairer; with Android, if you don't like Samsung go for LG or other brands - get serviced wherever you wish. If you are an iOS or MacOS fan, you're even more tied to the Apple fold. In my case, having once been in the Apple walled garden with desktops, laptops, phones, and tablets, I now still own a 2-year old iMac and iPad, an iPhone 6S+ that I won't replace with another iPhone (I like phone jacks), and gave up on Apple laptops years ago (I like ports, reliable keyboards, magsafe, and expandability/repairability). I'm perfectly happy with Linux on high quality PC offerings and enjoy listening to music using the phone jack on my LG V40 (with 4 channel DAC) connected to nice wired headphones. Over the last five years, I've decided to listen to folks like you who offer that Apple is "fine with losing me as a customer." I believe you, and am adjusting. The Apple I held in high esteem died with Steve Jobs. Time to move on.
 
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Correct. Unlike on Android, phones with batteries that are unable to meet the demand for current, will slow down and not shut down.

But this seemingly has nothing to do with that. There must have been some issue, other than profit motive, that caused apple to do this.
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We do. MacDonald's coffee cup case.
I remember that. My understanding was that McD’s were told numerous times?
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Remember when Microsoft decided they should let you know if your Windows copy was pirated and the world made a massive ****ing fuss about it even if Microsoft was theoretically in the right?

Same here.
No it’s different. That was a message talking about a product that was stolen.
Here we’re talking about a legit repair.
 
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No. They just want to use the cheapest parts possible to maximize their profits.

And Apple wants to bully people into using their repair service to maximise their profits.And you can't paint all 3rd party repairs with the same brush, some of them are as good as or better than Apple's own service, and don't use cheap parts.

If Apple wasn't so anti-consumer then it would be easier for 3rd party repair vendors to get their hands on genuine Apple batteries, but Apple will never stop trying to gouge its user base for anything and everything they can.

And Apple aren't the only people who can make a lithium battery. There are plenty of legitimate 3rd party battery manufacturers who make excellent quality replacements.
 
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No it’s different. That was a message talking about a product that was stolen.
Here we’re talking about a legit repair.

How in the world can Apple be wrong by not guaranteeing the battery health reading from a non-OEM battery? They can't prevent the phone from operating, but I'm not sure how is this wrong.

If 3D touch does not work on your counterfeit screen is that also Apple's fault?
 
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Nobody mentions the fact that Apple can actually refuse to replace your battery. I had a replacement iPhone 6S from Verizon and Apple would not replace the battery. They said that the phone had non Apple components in it and was missing a screw, so they wouldn't work on it. What protects us from that?
 
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No it’s different. That was a message talking about a product that was stolen.
Here we’re talking about a legit repair.

It's not really different, something does not meet manufacturer's spec and the software issues a warning.

And the "legit repair" is really the issue, isn't it? What's the definition of "legit"?
 
I like my repairs by Apple very much, and more importantly, that they’re backed up by Apple.

Among those repairs, were any out-of-warranty repairs? When others praise Apple's repair services, they overwhelmingly admit that their repairs were during the warranty period (Shocking when you consider how common it is for even Apple's products to fail so early). I've yet to hear anyone say they were pleased with the cost or diagnosis of an out-of-pocket repair.
 
It. Is. Not. A. Lock.

I many cases: It. Is. A. Lie.
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I was watching his videos and he's so full of crap, like everyone and everything is to rip someone off. But of-course we only see the bad things.

Apples goal is the preservation of the huge profits....so yes that does rip off consumers.
[doublepost=1565890612][/doublepost]If I need my battery replaced, I am likely out of warranty. I could care less about that battery health info being hidden if I don't let apple resync the new battery to my phone.

However, for those less informed it is clearly an attempt on Apple's part to make you fear third-party repair shops.
 
It's not really different, something does not meet manufacturer's spec and the software issues a warning.

And the "legit repair" is really the issue, isn't it? What's the definition of "legit"?
We'll agree to disagree. If you've stolen something then probably don't expect in any society to be looked at as the good guy.
 
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You mean "the whiny I wish I could have been an engineer but I'm stuck repairing electronics instead so I'm going to ***** about it as much as I can" guy?

Makes me smile knowing this guy can't replace batteries anymore without the customer realizing it's a non-OEM battery because iPhones now tell the customer.

Our site tells people enough as is. I don't tell people I am putting a Tim Cook blessed battery in their phone, nor have I ever. Further, less than 1% of our revenue is from phone battery replacements. Data recovery from electrical or liquid damage is where our iPhone business thrives, not battery replacements.

You don't seem to have much of a counter argument, although that is something I have come to expect at this point. You fervently attack my character without going after what I actually said. I mean, if you can't come up with a counter argument, that's fine, I suppose it is easier to characterize it as whining so as to avoid addressing it.
 
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You mean "the whiny I wish I could have been an engineer but I'm stuck repairing electronics instead so I'm going to ***** about it as much as I can" guy?

Makes me smile knowing this guy can't replace batteries anymore without the customer realizing it's a non-OEM battery because iPhones now tell the customer.
Nope. Rossmann can still do that, and without the “Service” message.

As a matter of fact. Anyone can do that when they find the repository with the required software tool. So much for your rant.
 
Way to miss the point. BMW does this to prevent the use of stolen parts on other vehicles, which is a very big problem. It’s not done for safety reasons. They also do it with their engine computer (DME) which is super easy to swap (easier than an iPhone battery) along with various other modules in their cars.

One of the benefits of this is it discourages the use of parts from stolen iPhones. However, Apple is being generous compared to BMW as your iPhone still functions normally, minus battery health.

You seem to be suggesting I am missing a point that is not even being discussed. Apple has not said a word about this being done to prevent the use of stolen iPhones.

iCloud already does an excellent job dis-incentivizing the theft of an iPhone. The amount of work required to get around an iCloud lock in labor exceeds the value of the stolen device anywhere but a third world country. I sure as hell would never do it - and it isn't even about me being an angel, it just makes no sense from a time/money/work involved perspective.

If you are talking about the point of BMW doing this to prevent the theft of automobiles or automotive parts, then what point are we even discussing? Anti-theft measures have nothing to do with the reporting of battery health here.
 
Just so you know the battery replacements are getting a bit more involved now. In order to replace the battery in the iPhone X and up, you have to remove the Taptic engine and to do that you have to take out the speaker which then needs to be replaced if you want to maintain any water resistance. This isn't a 5 minutes process like the iPhone 6 was. So you are still free to change your battery, just don't expect that battery health software to work. This is actually great for customers that don't know too much about their phones and to stop carrier insurance from placing old batteries in their refurbished devices. I've seen it many times. If you replace you your own battery then this shouldn't really matter.
 
People want a way to know if devices on the used market have been screwed with - and I am cool with that. These devices are becoming more and more expensive, so there is a higher consumer interest in knowing the history of the device they are purchasing used.

Some refurbishers are good, and some are absolute garbage. How will a consumer know, when purchasing something on the used market, which it is? Many even use little pieces of rubber to hold poorly soldered chips in place, or use high temperature BGA profiles to save time when replacing GPUs at the expense of the health of the board. I wouldn't want to buy poorly refurbished devices with the junk, cheap aftermarket LCDs, or crap batteries either. And, I'd appreciate having a way to KNOW what I am getting when I hop on the used market. I I think there's a better way to go about it.

I am using an LG G8 I got off eBay for about $300 right now.. I like buying used. I have no reason to spend full retail on something I will scratch within a week. The ability to know its history would be great, and I understand and respect the opinions of people who think it is cool that the manufacturer provide the user with tools to help them get that history!

The problem is when the tool is so poor, it tosses up the same error code regardless of what is in the phone. A knockoff battery with punctures does the same thing as the original, with zero cycles. It's too far in the other direction: and whether it is coded as such out of laziness or malice, it doesn't change the fact that it uses poor wording, which I think is at the crux of the debate here.

Service.

What do consumers think when they see service?

I typically don't like Apple's attempts to fight the "right to repair", but this doesn't actually seem so unreasonable. They have a reputation to maintain and don't want sketchy third-party repairs to hurt that. Notifying the user that they have an unofficial configuration, without disabling any functionality, seems harmless enough. It could even help those who buy a used phone and want to ensure it hasn't been tampered with.

I think this is much more of a PR move to protect their phones' (already shaky at times) reputation, rather than a money grab. The $69 for an official replacement isn't probably a significant factor.

My only issue with it is the word service. For over 14 years their laptops have said service battery when the battery in the machine was either near dead, or only putting out 1 volt. Apple consumers have come to associate the word service in the battery health indicator to mean that the battery is a useless piece of junk.

By all means, let people know when the screen has been replaced, battery replaced. Let them know if that tristar chip ever had the pain of speaking to a non-OEM charger(which actually puts way more mileage on the device than any of these 3rd party batteries do - I'd actually get behind this in a "tristar health" app! no sarcasm).

The word service used prior to clicking is what I find lame - it implies, based on prior use of the word, that the part is defective/dead/close to dead when it isn't. Short of that word, I could care less.
 
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Remember when Microsoft decided they should let you know if your Windows copy was pirated and the world made a massive ****ing fuss about it even if Microsoft was theoretically in the right?

Same here.

Software piracy is illegal.

Replacing a battery outside of an Apple store is not illegal.

I am interested in your thesis though. Can you tell me how replacing a battery with a battery you purchased is the same as software piracy?
 
Nobody mentions the fact that Apple can actually refuse to replace your battery.

I've reminded others of that in numerous discussions. It happened to me immediately prior to Apple's battery program.

One demand of the Right To Repair is that manufacturers don't impose anything that artificially limits the useful life of an appliance. If Apple includes technology in its products that prevent the use of non-OEM parts and non-Apple service, they are effectively building in a kill switch when they decide to no longer support the product. No aftermarket parts or service will be possible. This assures Apple that you will upgrade on their schedule. No more phones with 5+ years of usability.

Frankly, Apple could have profited from this technology another way. Instead of using it as a club, they could have sold its redeeming values as a service. You want the added assurances of a T-chip? It's only $2.99 a month to activate. Otherwise it's off by default.
 
If Apple were really concerned with 'safety' they would disable the battery, not put up a message and let it continue working. Bottom line is that it is just Apple flexing their control over their customers.
 
Software piracy is illegal.

Replacing a battery outside of an Apple store is not illegal.

I am interested in your thesis though. Can you tell me how replacing a battery with a battery you purchased is the same as software piracy?

Apple isn't locking you out of their phone. It's telling you that Apple cannot guarantee that their battery health feature will work as designed with an unknown battery and unpredictable performance. Can you blame them for that?

The later versions of Windows Genuine Experience do not lock you out of your PC. They let you know that activation has failed and maybe you should have that looked at.
 
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Apple isn't locking you out of their phone. It's telling you that Apple cannot guarantee that their battery health feature will work as designed with an unknown battery and unpredictable performance. Can you blame them for that?

The later versions of Windows Genuine Experience do not lock you out of your PC. They let you know that activation has failed and maybe you should have that looked at.
[doublepost=1565900171][/doublepost]I agree with you about them not locking you out of your phone but the way I see it is that it's a money grab situation by saying service people will not trust a local/small repair shop other than apple
Even if those repair shops are using genuine apple batteries which I think is ridiculous its ment to cause a tust erosion on small repair shops
 
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I was watching his videos and he's so full of crap, like everyone and everything is to rip someone off. But of-course we only see the bad things.
Everything he says is true, ever since the iPhone 6 Apple has turned into straight Trash, I got an iPhone 6 Plus and it started bending, I got a 6S Plus and the Battery inflated and Apple nor T-Mobile wanted to replace it, my iPhone SE would start overheating and get really hot in the hands, even with a case on, Apple couldn’t fix the issue, then in June, I got an iPhone XS Max, and the screen kept flickering, the pixels would come and go, the screen stopped responding, I took it in to Apple a week after I got it, and they couldn’t see me because they were full of customers, I had to make an appointment to be seen be Genius Bar, they gave me an appointment and when I went they said that I couldn’t return my iPhone because my 14 day return date had expired, I said “I know this, but I came before and they couldn’t see me because they said that they were too busy” so yes, I had to wait 10 days to be seen, then I went to a different Apple store and the girl told me that I have to pay out of pocket for a screen replacement, then I called Apple and they said that every iPhone has a 1 year Warranty, and I already knew this, but the girl at the store said that’s not true, so I went to a 3rd Apple Store the very same day that I had just spoken to the girl at the 2nd store and spoke to the woman over the phone at Apple Support and Boom, luckily! By the grace of God I was able to get a refund for my iPhone XS Max at this 3rd Apple Store, I’ve never had so much problems when I used to be with Samsung, but I still used the refund to get an XR because I heard about the great battery life, Samsung’s phone have great battery life now too, I bought a A50 for my grandfather and his phone maybe even lasts a little longer than my XR, I love both companies, but honestly, Apple needs to get their **** together, what’s truly embarrassing is that Samsung is Korean, Apple is American, I want to support American Products, I have an Xbox instead of a PlayStation, but Apple is really messing up now, and I know that it’s because of Tim Cook, he really had no idea what he’s doing, he can scam the people for a good while but there’s gonna be a time when customers will abandon Apple!
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You mean "the whiny I wish I could have been an engineer but I'm stuck repairing electronics instead so I'm going to ***** about it as much as I can" guy?

Makes me smile knowing this guy can't replace batteries anymore without the customer realizing it's a non-OEM battery because iPhones now tell the customer.
You’re incredibly ignorant, first of all your put your quotes in the wrong place, the quote was supposed to start at “I Wish” not at “The Whiney”, secondly iPhones don’t tell the customer jack, iPhones say the same thing for all Batteries, even authentic ones, try replacing the battery yourself instead of assuming thing
 
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