Apple Once Again Taking Extended Thanksgiving Break as Tim Cook Applauds Employees' Work

[HenryDJP]

and it's pretty damn clear you've never worked in as a "corporate lazy" if you actually think that people working in corporate, R&D, legal, accounting, and the entire whizzbang are "corporate lazies".
many people in the corporate area that you call "lazies" got to the corporate area by years, thousands (hundreds of sometimes) in education, who work long hard hours to HAVE products, the necessary channels for the products, the business to run the products and the whole shebang.

Retail is important. But you could run Apple without the "genius" bars and the retail chain.

you couldn't run apple without the corporate chain.

You don't even work for Apple so please, your defense for what they do at the corporate headquarters is ludicrous at best and furthermore, just a little bit too defensive to make sense.

And for the record, my entire business is corporate related. I run my own insurance office and I deal with companies on a daily basis setting up their policies. Not everyone is a "corporate lazy" but there are plenty of them hanging out at the water cooler or doing web surfing when the boss isn't around and they get paid very well. I KNOW.

 

[LordVic]

You don't even work for Apple so please, your defense for what they do at the corporate headquarters is ludicrous at best and furthermore, just a little bit too defensive to make sense.

And for the record, my entire business is corporate related. I run my own insurance office and I deal with companies on a daily basis setting up their policies. Not everyone is a "corporate lazy" but there are plenty of them hanging out at the water cooler or doing web surfing when the boss isn't around and they get paid very well. I KNOW.

I know it too. every company has them. (I could point a few out in my office right now)

But there's also laziness at the retail end of the spectrum too.

in the case of apple in particular, this "coporate lazies" comment was just pure stupid.

Apple, is not a company that relies upon it's retail store locations for the bulk of their sales. Apple did manage quite well pre-Apple stores, and even have entire markets that have no Apple stores.

the bulk of Apple's work isn't done in the retail store locals. They're done in the offices. Deals to sell Apple products in major chains aren't done on the ground by retail employees but by "corporate sales forces". The R&D, tech and what not that goes into what they have isn't done at the retail level either, it's all done at the corporate level.

it sounds like you have a corporate issue with employees who are wasting time or not doing their jobs to their best of their abilities. This is an internal matter to your own companies dealings. Projecting them on Apples and saying comments like

And for the record without sales the corporate lazies wouldn't have a paycheck. Obviously you've never worked in a retail sales environment.

shows you have very little understanding for the sheer amount of synergy a company has to have between its sales force and support personnel.

 

[AppleDroid]

Tim is smart. Write a letter which will be republished all over Apple news sites. Free PR.

 

[HenryDJP]

I know it too. every company has them. (I could point a few out in my office right now)

But there's also laziness at the retail end of the spectrum too.

in the case of apple in particular, this "coporate lazies" comment was just pure stupid.

Apple, is not a company that relies upon it's retail store locations for the bulk of their sales. Apple did manage quite well pre-Apple stores, and even have entire markets that have no Apple stores.

the bulk of Apple's work isn't done in the retail store locals. They're done in the offices. Deals to sell Apple products in major chains aren't done on the ground by retail employees but by "corporate sales forces". The R&D, tech and what not that goes into what they have isn't done at the retail level either, it's all done at the corporate level.

it sounds like you have a corporate issue with employees who are wasting time or not doing their jobs to their best of their abilities. This is an internal matter to your own companies dealings. Projecting them on Apples and saying comments like

shows you have very little understanding for the sheer amount of synergy a company has to have between its sales force and support personnel.

For a person that's not an Apple employee or even work for the company (because you shouldn't be if you're on this board) you're coming at me as if I offended you as if you were the CEO. .
I have every right to call their employees "corporate lazies" because I spend money with this company, and you have no right to insult me calling my comment stupid because it's against the forum rules here.

Your strong defense of Apple's daily corporate office employee's work ethics is way over the top and you're just one of the reasons why people get fired up on this board for people highly defending Apple as if they are being paid to protect them. Please do not respond and find someone else to defend Apple against.

 

[uberpooter]

I dont like it.

Tim: (since I know you read this forums) We want
MacPro 2013
Cinema displays 4K under 2000 dollars
Apple LCD 4K TV
iWatch
iPad 5, Ipad 12 inch, iPad mini retina
OSX 10.9
5 inch iPhone. (how hard is it to order a larger screen? The reason why Android uses larger screens is because its easier to manufacture.)
The GrandeIphone (just take a mini and put calling capabilties into it. This will shut up all size phone idiots. Hey look here at my 8 inch iPhone!)

Well, we couldn't get past 5 comments before someone had to be ultra negative and needy. What is wrong with the people on this forum?

 

[bawbac]

. Not everyone is a "corporate lazy" but there are plenty of them hanging out at the water cooler or doing web surfing when the boss isn't around and they get paid very well. I KNOW.

I know it too. every company has them. (I could point a few out in my office right now)

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If I were lucky enough to work at Apple, I would have a difficult time pulling myself away from my work. I wonder how many people actually take the vacation time? I don't consider myself a workaholic, but I love my job and haven't taken any vacation (outside of national holidays) in the past year since graduating. That being said, I would absolutely love to be a designer at Apple. Perhaps someday. They could pay me in iPhone 6's for all I care. Who needs food and shelter when you have a pre-release iPhone 6?

Your work must be really demanding if you can spend a lot of "work time" at MR.

 

[LordVic]

For a person that's not an Apple employee or even work for the company (because you shouldn't be if you're on this board) you're coming at me as if I offended you as if you were the CEO. .
I have every right to call their employees "corporate lazies" because I spend money with this company, and you have no right to insult me calling my comment stupid.

Your strong defense of Apple's daily corporate office employee's work ethics is way over the top and you're just one of the reasons why people get fired up on this board for people highly defending Apple as if they are being paid to protect them. Please do not respond and find someone else to defend Apple against.

i'm not defending apple. Apple corporate is entitled to believe their employees are able to gain additional days off because as a company apple has done very successful.

Apple has the complete right to do so. Any company does. My company could turn to me and say "good job, here's an additional 5 days vacation".

Apple didnt just give the Corporate offices time off.

They've given EVERY employee time off. They have just stated that while the Corporate offices can have the week off around thanksgiving, while the retail can take their vacation later.

both parties are receiving equal compensation from a monetary point of view. Neither is getting a bonus that either isn' getting.

you're the one who decided to call corporate employees "corporate lazies" and somehow elevate retail employees to some echelon of deserving above those who do not work in retail.

it was your words that called those working in Corporate "corporate lazies" and that corporate office people were nothing more than sales support.

Trust me. when it comes to a lot of the corporate politics and activities that apple does that gets a public face, I'm not a fan of them. What I do take offence too is blanket statements you've decided to paint corporate employees of companies with.

And while your comment might not be "stupid". it comes across as extremely ignorant.

 

[tbrand7]

hey wait. Nobody takes a break until the new minis come out. Now get back to work.

Um. The new minis will be out in October. Thanksgiving is in November. So your right, they won't be getting a break till after the minis come out...

 

[dugbug]

Um. The new minis will be out in October. Thanksgiving is in November. So your right, they won't be getting a break till after the minis come out...

as long as I get my mac mini (ignoring rumor dates) Ill be good

 

[eoblaed]

This is another example of Apple's growing corporate laziness and complacency.

By all means, employees deserve a short break. Have a great Thanksgiving. But then, get back to work! America did not become a great nation by taking long extended vacations.

I know some of those employees. They work long nights and work a lot of weekends especially in the weeks/months leading up to a major release. Getting a few extra days off around a holiday doesn't come close to make up for all the extra hours they put in, but is certainly a great morale booster and appreciated by them.

 

[Rogifan]

I know some of those employees. They work long nights and work a lot of weekends especially in the weeks/months leading up to a major release. Getting a few extra days off around a holiday doesn't come close to make up for all the extra hours they put in, but is certainly a great morale booster and appreciated by them.

Just shows the sheer lack of ignorance around here sometimes. I'd love to know how many of the "get back to work" crowd know anyone who works at Apple and the amount of hours they put in on a weekly basis.

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Tim is smart. Write a letter which will be republished all over Apple news sites. Free PR.

So CEO's only write letters to employees for free PR?

 

[ApfelKuchen]

Judging the worthiness of others is a time-honored pastime. Otherwise, there would be no religious and ethical strictures against it.

While I'm not a religious person, you don't need to be religious to understand that "judge not, lest thou be judged and found wanting," and "walk a mile in another man's moccasins," are useful concepts in a civil society.

The notion of "deserving poor," and "undeserving poor," and any other deserving/undeserving judgement is nothing more than an excuse to treat people one dislikes with something less than generosity, and to keep that money in ones own pocket. Since nothing (and no-one) is perfect, it's pretty easy to disqualify anyone and everyone (but oneself) from kind consideration.

Are Apple's employees deserving or undeserving of a few extra days off? None of our business. It is Apple's business, and we already know how Apple feels about it.

 

[SeattleMoose]

THEY DESERVE IT!!!!

Apple brings us the best tech products on the planet and they work long and hard to do so.

Enjoy your vacation!!!

P.S. Just told my boss about this and he told me I can have this weekend off :-(
Wish I worked for Tim!!!!!

 

[Thunderhawks]

Could the reason for selling the same screen 2 years in a row be that Apple orders enough screens for 2 model years thereby reducing overall cost?

No, actual costs are always calculated new with each model.

You have raw material increases, R & D amortized, change of material and finishes, assembly cost increases due to different assembly specs, probably higher chip waste until the kinks are worked out etc.etc.

So, a few square inches more of glass and some more aluminum for a larger size probably matters very little. And, with the numbers they order there is not a lot of savings when they already get good/fair prices

My guess is as uneducated as yours, because we don't know what the glass costs or what a larger piece of glass would cost and the additional aluminum..

What I don't get is that people are so frustrated that Apple doesn't offer a larger size screen, that they manufacture reasons why or critique what Apple sells.

Fact is if you want a large screen phone buy something else.

For now it looks as if Apple is doing fine with the 5S and 5C and maybe they'll cave in later and will make a larger phone or offer several sizes.

They'll do that based on research and what they want to sell, not based on cost.

 

[saud0488]

Tim is a class act. And you get the sense these aren't just words or something the PR department wrote up for him. The CEO at the company I work for would never write something like this. And we'd never get a week of paid vacation either.

Yes, cause I'm sure you know the guy. OF COURSE SOMEONE ELSE WROTE IT. You think he bothers writing up things like this? That's what the communications department it paid to do. I'm sure he glossed over it though.

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So CEO's only write letters to employees for free PR?

Of course they do. Otherwise they'd just announce it internally to supervisors in a memo.

 

[DanielSw]

It is no secret that US labor laws are vastly different and quite embarrassing when you look at UK labor laws.

In case you hadn't noticed, we haven't been under your system for about 237 years! Cheers!

 

[mrmac007]

Xmas bonus

so no christmas bonus then, 3 days off was ok but an extra £3000 at christmas would have been more handy, so i can put some food for the family on the table on xmas day.

 

[saturn88]

Of course Apple get a vacation. Foxconn is the one who is really working 24/7.

 

[Rogifan]

Yes, cause I'm sure you know the guy. OF COURSE SOMEONE ELSE WROTE IT. You think he bothers writing up things like this? That's what the communications department it paid to do. I'm sure he glossed over it though.

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Of course they do. Otherwise they'd just announce it internally to supervisors in a memo.

It wasn't a long memo. I have no reason to believe Tim didn't write it. But of course I'm not as cynical as most people who post here.

 

[winston1236]

That's the worse thing about working in retail. The corporate employees get a whole week off while the front line gets no holiday vacation time and has to stand on their feet hours on end at the retail stores bringing in the business. At the end of the day it takes "sales" to make revenue, not corporate employees. I would like to see retail employees get treated better.

No offense but it comes down to who's replaceable. Sales associates are a dime a dozen, selling a product is a low skill job which is why people with more options and skills get better perks.

 

[MacDav]

as usual Apple Retail employees will be able to take them starting from mid Jan 2014 only as blackout dates apply between mid Nov and mid Jan

All retail employees are in the same boat, except other retailers don't give their employees 3 extra days off. Working retail sucks, but if you have to do it then working for Apple is a good deal.

 

[mabhatter]

Somehow, I think that the reasons why pretty much everybody makes phones with larger screens is because hundreds of millions of consumers prefer them.

The reason Apple uses smaller screens is because they can still sell boatloads of them, each of which with better margins compared to using a larger screen. This yields them a greater amount of total profits. That is the reason they reissued the i5 with a cheaper case - to boost/maintain margins.

Apple is very good at maximizing total profits. My guess is that they have evaluated each and every thing which you suggest, and have decided that each of them would lower total profits.

They should just include Silly Putty... Then you can make the screen whatever size you want!!!!

 

[anonnymouse]

I'm glad the reporting on MR appears to be impartial and thorough. The writing style and tone is unmistakable.

What I like is that MR bothered to get the details correct (in that this is NOT a new perk). Most of the other sites "reporting" this acted as if this was brand new.

 

[Rocketman]

If you quit or get fired after the effective date do you still get your benefits? Yes.

 

[Konrad9]

Good for Apple but meanwhile in UK all full-time workers receive 28 days paid holiday by law.
www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/entitlement

Zero paid vacation days required by law in the US. I don't think there are even federally required sick days.

There IS a sick 'leave' requirement, but it's unpaid and just means if you have to leave for a few months due to illness (or other mitigating circumstance), they can't fire you.

Amuricuh.