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Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]
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I disagree. Unlike most companies,
the removal likely allowed the price to stay the same as well. They are not shy about charging more for stuff.
As many people suspected, it’s a money grab by Apple by not including the charger and earphones with the newer iPhones. Helping the environment… not so much.
It’s pretty much what the government of Brazil found and why it imposed its ruling.
Have the chargers (& wired earphones) available for anyone who wants one.
Too many people defending Apple as it does no wrong whatever it does.
Apple ditching chargers saves costs but not the planet
The iPhone 12 doesn’t come with earbuds or a wall chargerwww.theverge.com
The Verge article is just an opinion from 2020 and no different than our opinions.
You have to look at these over severals year into the future. Apple has promised to carbon neutral for their supply chain by 2030.
Apple sells about 200 million iPhones per year. No charger for 9 years means 1.8 billion chargers not being produced.
Do you really think iPhone customers will buy that many chargers separately just because a charger wasn't included. I don't think so.
Let's say that iPhone customers buy 500 million chargers from Apple, that would still be a huge success for Apple.
I find it interesting that some people say this action by Apple would all be fine as long as they reduce the price of the phone.
It does pinpoint that the only concern is financial, and that you need to make people hurt financially to stop undesirable behaviour. I think many people think that efforts to reduce our impact on the environment need to be paid by someone else. The reality is that it’s us consumers who will be paying.
There is no issue.
Well yes. The EU believes it's a issue.
Too many criticizing Apple also.
It's my supposition that because iphones have been around for 15 years with 1 billion active devices, there is a large percentage of users who do not a charging brick. "People" could feel differently, that's not the issue. It's whether "most" people who buy a phone in 2022 "need" a charging brick. And if so they can buy one.
There isn't really an issue.
iPhones in Brazil are extremely expensive, almost double of the US price. the charger should be in the box.
The Justice Ministry in Brazil today ordered Apple to stop selling iPhones without a charger in the box, reports Reuters. Brazilian officials say that Apple is giving customers an incomplete product when the power adapter is not included with the purchase, a move the government claims is a "deliberate discriminatory practice against consumers."
Apple has been fined 12.275 million reais (~$2.34 million) for selling iPhones without chargers, and Brazilian officials are forcing the company to cease offering any iPhone that does not come with a power adapter, including the iPhone 12 and newer.
The Brazilian state of São Paulo previously fined Apple close to $2 million for not providing a charger with modern iPhones, which the São Paulo consumer protection agency said was a violation of Consumer Law Code. Apple also lost a 2022 lawsuit in the country after a customer who did not receive a charger sued.
Apple has told Brazilian officials that not including a power adapter with the iPhone offers environmental benefits and cuts down on waste, but Brazil has thus far rejected this argument.
Apple stopped providing chargers with iPhones starting with the 2020 launch of the iPhone 12 lineup. In most countries, Apple no longer ships iPhones with EarPods or a power adapter, including just a USB-C to Lightning charging cable. Apple says that most customers already have power adapters on hand to charge with, and has told customers that removing these accessories is part of its effort to "reach [its] environmental goals."
The Justice Ministry's order comes one day ahead of Apple's iPhone 14 announcement, which will see the debut of updated iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro models.
Update 1:40 p.m.: In a statement to Bloomberg, Apple says it will appeal the ruling:
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I’m pretty sure that not pumping millions of new phones into the market every year it a positive thing in relation to the environment - also when you take the whole “food chain” of reselling used phones in account and e-waste in the other end. Well of cause it is not the simple - but just a hope that people will keep their phones for a longer time
Just read that. Not ONLY that, if anyone Samsung purchaser wanted a charger and went to a special website to order it, it got sent to them. I’d thought that Samsung’s larger market share meant that they held more clout, but it looks like that market is too important to them to let one of the other Android maker’s pick up their marketshare.
How is that? How is manufacturing an older model phone better for the environment than a newer model phone - considering the newer model phone may have undergone process improvement, better materials for the environment, better sustainability while being used?
People selling their phones vs giving them to recycling actually helps the environment.- also when you take the whole “food chain” of reselling used phones in account and e-waste in the other end. Well of cause it is not the simple - but just a hope that people will keep their phones for a longer time
Apple will save lots of money by not including the chargers.
It’s estimating it will help the environment.
As others said, there should be updated studies to prove that.
Does Apple have an actual study stating that!
More research is needed which was the point!
Just because You don’t need a charger does not mean other people don’t need chargers.
Make it available if buyers want one without paying for it. The iPhone cost stayed the same.
Not everyone charged the iPhone through their computer.
Personal example.. I had to get a new USB C charger for the 13 Pro. Never had a USB C charger before then.
Now imagine lots of people hanging a similar experience which is the point why others are stating the same thing… Apple should have those chargers available for those that need them when they buy the newer iPhones.
If You don’t need it, fine!
Don’t take one. Is it that difficult to understand?
But don’t tell other people how to run their lives when they actually need that charger simply because they literally do not have one!
The question is, if Apple only released a phone every two years, would that result in more, less or the same number of phones being manufactured and sold overall?I’m pretty sure that not pumping millions of new phones into the market every year it a positive thing in relation to the environment - also when you take the whole “food chain” of reselling used phones in account and e-waste in the other end. Well of cause it is not the simple - but just a hope that people will keep their phones for a longer time
When something is free, people will take it even if they don’t need it. Its called the Zero Price Effect https://market.subwiki.org/wiki/Zero_price_effect
This is why chargers need to continue having a cost so that people stop and think before purchasing.
Look at the positive, you now have a USBC charger and won’t need another one to charge any future phone you purchase*
*until the standard changes again.
Do you have a charger in your house, if you purchased a new iPhone today? I do and everyone else I know does.
With that said, I think all phones and small devices should have a common charging base and be interchangeable.
Thought everybody knows the price will increase. But in Brazil people that buy new iPhones don't mind about the price as in USA, they mind about don't have a charger and to know this is bad for the environment. iPhones in Brazil are very expansible, and not getting the full package is even more strange - people say it's like buying a car but heaving to buy the keys apart.
Following this thought, when those "rich" guys wants to change their devices, if they have the original complete package they can ask for a higher price in their used product. An used iPhone sold locally has an excellent value, so a complete iPhone 11 can cost more than an iPhone 12.
Also, the task of including a charger in a bigger box will probably be the major cost lol ...
Shouldn’t over generalizing.
Du you want a free food when you’re not hungry?
For some, yes.
For others, no.
Same can be applied to other things like chargers.
You appear to consider yourself an expert on the way the economy works (among other things) so you should know Apple would never switch to a 2-year cycle on the phones. They are a publicly traded company and make a lot of money selling a new phone annually.
Well, it’s “green”-ish in that instead of chargers produced and delivered 1:1 with iPhones, the charger production will more closely align to how many are needed. Apple produces far less (because their underpowered chargers are really not needed), so that’s fewer raw materials required for them to have dug from the ground.
If you read the prior post correctly, the net effect described there was NOT more sales for Apple. “while another company picks up the sale”.
Not necessarily, since people who already have a charger might still opt for the free one to have another extra or to sell it, thus not cutting down on the waste they would otherwise if they just used the one of the probably many they already have. But yes for this country if they have to they may offer such a program or increase price of the phone accordingly in that market and use the extra money to offset the additional waste.
Not really. The cost of manufacturing new tech goes up. Not including a charger is a help to offset that. Also reduced packaging, reduced shipping costs, reduced green house gases. Win-in.
Yes.
The EU believes it will, hence the common charging post.
Do they need one?
They might have an internal study.
Sure. Include a voucher and raise the price of the $$$. Redeem the voucher for a charger or a refund. In 2022 you are not going to get apple to provide a charger for "free". If they have to provide a charger in Brazil they will most likely raise the price.
True. I almost never use my computer to charge my phone.
Did you have any charging brick or cable at all. Or were you new to cell phones? If you are new to cell phones, you are in the minority, imo.
By the same token, don't tell business how to run their business. If you don't like the way Apple is running their business, vote with your $$$.