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It’s not. It’s simply helping Apple’s bottom line.
True to an extent. Producing new tech is more expensive. One can see the variations in the gross margin. But less manufacturing, packaging, more boxes per pallet, less weight, adds up to an overall win-win.
You know it has nothing to do with the environment when the Chinese are doing the same thing, removing chargers from theirs.
If I were the chinese it would be everything about the environment.
Xiaomi is announcing that they will do the same, and that is a company that is releasing cheap phones with outdated hardware and software every 6 months, so they couldn’t care less about the environment.
According to you, Xiaomi=Apple?
 
First, I don't think a free low wattage charger would create a huge secondary market.

But we're arguing that people have at least one USB-A or USB-C charger in their household when buying a new iPhone , not that everyone has a lot of chargers.

Worst case, you buy a new charger and maybe even a new cable. It's not the end of the world.

This doesn't have to work for everyone to be a success for Apple.
And there will always be first timers with no chargers. Bottom line is Apple needs to be more transparent that you need a charging adapter and not assume everyone has a stockpile or even one.
 
We had a guy recently in the VR thread saying he was hoping the price was at the higher end of the guesses when it was said to be 1-2k. And now we have people cheering on Apple for keeping the price of the phone the same and removing the charger resulting in people needing to pay an extra $20 "tax" often.

I'm rather confused. I understand being a fan of a company (I'm a huge Apple fan), but it is almost being a masochist to cheer on having to give them extra money.
 
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They should offer separate SKUs that bundle a charger (on its own, so same iPhone boxes no matter what) for a very small extra fee at time of purchase .. like $5-10 or something.
Wonder what the threshold would be before people wouldn't say "Oh only $X. I can just keep as a spare or try to sell.
 
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Let's say Apple (or another company) actually does care about the environment and wants to reduce waste, what would you propose they do regarding chargers and earbuds that wouldn't come off as just a money grab?
Don’t make them to begin with. Plenty of 3rd party making chargers already, with many more useful than Apple’s own (higher wattage, multi port, etc).

People are arguing about waste and blame it on consumers, while Apple themselves already made those chargers to begin with. If the argument is that most people already have chargers, then stop making them if they cared so much about waste.
 
I think it's total BS to remove charger adapter and earphones.
1– It's not about environment BS. It's all about money.
2– Earphones last only roughly about 6 months, then they lose quality
3- The price! F*ck I'm paying the price for the Macbook and iMac for this phone, at least leave with the charger and earphones! 1200$ and more!

Or make the rices more democratic! For the 1200 we can buy Macbooks, it's madness
 
I can see both sides of the argument with this subject.

However, I do think IF (or when) they introduce USB-C as the charging port for the iPhone, they should include a charger of that type for the phones it was introduced with, as it’s fairly safe to make an assumption that currently, more people buying iPhones already have a charger than those that don’t.

Obviously this is due to many years of iPhones including chargers though. So just because Macrumours rave about USB-C and probably have about 100 of the cables, it is wrong to assume the general person will have one IF (or when) they move to it.
 
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Apple doesn't produce stuff meant to be thrown away in a year. Consumers are supposed to be disciplined and not buy the next shiny model that comes out when the phone they got has 5 more years of OS upgrades.
They even said at one point they expect iPhones to last years.
 
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I can see both sides of the argument with this subject.

However, I do think IF (or when) they introduce USB-C as the charging port for the iPhone, they should include a charger of that type for the phones it was introduced with, as it’s fairly safe to make an assumption that currently, more people buying iPhones already have a charger than those that don’t.

Obviously this is due to many years of iPhones including chargers though. So just because Macrumours rave about USB-C and probably have about 100 of the cables, it is wrong to assume the general person will have one IF (or when) they move to it.
Problem is they did this right after the cable went to C. I would place a good bet that almost all iPhone users have access to an A port somewhere at home, but C isn't as common.
 
A lot of electronics have a big sticker on the outside of the box saying "batteries not included" or printers with "USB cable not included"

And yet we don't have people with pitchforks and torches gathering outside their corporate headquarters. Where are all the complaints about "selling incomplete products" with them?

Like I said earlier... I'd be fine if phones were sold without chargers and cables in the box. Let me buy the ones I actually want (or I'll use the ones I already have)

God forbid you have to go to ANY store on Earth to buy a cable or charger... or AA batteries for your child's toy.

:p
This is my exact point too. It's not the omitting it that's the issue; it's that they don't warn you. Most Apple users don't browse forums and news constantly.
 
I'm still going to have to buy a charger for my new phone. So — how does not putting one in the box help the environment?

The assumption (which may or may not be correct) is that the number of people buying a phone who already have a charger is greater than the number of people who don't have one. Therefore, producing and including something that most people don't need is a waste and bad for the environment. Those who do need a charger still have the option to buy one but with that number being lower (if true), fewer chargers would need to be made which helps the environment.
 
We had a guy recently in the VR thread saying he was hoping the price was at the higher end of the guesses when it was said to be 1-2k. And now we have people cheering on Apple for keeping the price of the phone the same and removing the charger resulting in people needing to pay an extra $20 "tax" often.

I'm rather confused. I understand being a fan of a company (I'm a huge Apple fan), but it is almost being a masochist to cheer on having to give them extra money.
Doubt many here are first time iPhone buyers, so the question is how many chargers does one need unused in a drawer to feel emotionally whole again? For the first time buyers sorry you get to miss that drawer experience. 😎
 
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What if the older iPad he mentioned was 30-pin dock connector? Have you ever considered this?
But that would be the cable. The charger would have A or C. Some people confuse adapters vs cable and the port on the adapter vs the device. Just because the iPhone goes US-BC doesn't change the adapter port. You'd use the same adapter but then you'd need A>C C>C instead of lightnng on one end. As bad as the ones who confuse RAM and storage. Drive me insane.
 
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Shouldn’t over generalizing.

Du you want a free food when you’re not hungry?
For some, yes.
For others, no.

Same can be applied to other things like chargers.
The point is more people will take the free food because it’s free than would if they had to pay for it. The idea is to reduce the amount of stuff being made and the most effective way to do that is charge for it.
 
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Apple should remove the usb-c to lightning cable next. I haven't used it at all, and that would allow Apple to shrink their iPhone packaging even smaller.
 
Good. I’m all for cutting down on waste but we all know it’s straight up a money grab. If it weren’t, Apple would allow people to get a free charger per new iPhone if truly needed.
Agreed. At minimum, Apple should have a check box to include a charger as part of its ordering process.
 
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The assumption (which may or may not be correct) is that the number of people buying a phone who already have a charger is greater than the number of people who don't have one. Therefore, producing and including something that most people don't need is a waste and bad for the environment. Those who do need a charger still have the option to buy one but with that number being lower (if true), fewer chargers would need to be made which helps the environment.
There are about 1b active iphones. If Apple sells 200 million iphones do you believe they all are new customers? Some new customers? No new customers? I'm sure Apple would like to have 200 million new Apple customers. But it's probably not like that. And while only Apple and the cell providers know the new activations and new lines Apple probably gets much repeat business. Again, we don't know the specifics.

I understand since there are no published figures this is all conjecture, but it's all we are working with.
 
Most people have to buy a new charger because the old 5w chargers are obsolete. and now, the cables are USB-C, and most people didn't have USB-C chargers until recently. It's a cash grab and I applaud Brazil's decision to have Apple include chargers. Apple and any other manufacturer that doesn't.
 
The main point that I have been trying to make is that since USB-C is still fairly recent, most people do not have spare USB-C charging bricks laying around like they do USB-A charging bricks. Apple switched from USB A to USB C lightning cables the same time they took out the brick. Brand new iPhone users that do not have any USB C bricks will have to either buy a new brick or a new cable, yes it is a minor inconvenience but it is one that Apple caused.
I agree, but people buying an iPhone for the first time ever and a) don’t have an existing iPhone charger they can use or b) don’t have a USBC charging brick is a small monitory of iPhone buyers. In the grand scheme of things it is a relatively small group of people facing the inconvenience of having to make an extra purchase vs the environmental savings made.

It’s personal opinion whether you think thats a good trade or not.
 
The point is more people will take the free food because it’s free than would if they had to pay for it. The idea is to reduce the amount of stuff being made and the most effective way to do that is charge for it.
If Apple sold ice cream by the scoop, it would offer you either the cup or a plastic spoon; not both.
 
Most people have to buy a new charger because the old 5w chargers are obsolete. and now, the cables are USB-C, and most people didn't have USB-C chargers until recently. It's a cash grab and I applaud Brazil's decision to have Apple include chargers. Apple and any other manufacturer that doesn't.
You do know that you are still able to charge your iPhone with your previous charging brick and lightning cable, right?
 
Most people have to buy a new charger because the old 5w chargers are obsolete. and now, the cables are USB-C, and most people didn't have USB-C chargers until recently. It's a cash grab and I applaud Brazil's decision to have Apple include chargers. Apple and any other manufacturer that doesn't.
A 5watt charger will charge the iPhone 13 range just fine. They are not obsolete as they still work.
 
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