Yet it did benefit the smoke detector manufacturer. I bet they sold many more after the law was passed than before.
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Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]
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Yet it did benefit the smoke detector manufacturer. I bet they sold many more after the law was passed than before.
If Apple makes a decision that is a net benefit to the environment, why would I care why they are doing it? If people are not willing to make sacrifices to save the environment, then the environment will not be saved. Reading the responses in this thread though makes me very pessimistic. I am starting to think most everyone would only put up with environmental friendly measures as long as someone else is paying for them. I used to think people would "avoid things like the plague" too, but now I know not to trust people's better nature.
Who cares why Apple is doing it, as long as it is a net benefit? If you had to choose between having an environmental benefit that makes Apple money or not having it, are you honestly saying you would prefer to screw over the environment just to hurt Apple? That is deranged. Let me repeat myself: I don't care why Apple made this move. It is not defending Apple to say that I want the net benefit that this move made possible regardless of who profited from it.
Paying the tax often? Do your chargers wear out? What are you doing with these chargers? I have things within arm's reach of me that will charge a brand new iPhone that are at least 20 years old and fully functional, and that is not an exaggeration.
We shouldn't be using so much single use plastic. They should encourage people to bring their own reusable spoons with them and then take them home to clean. This is not a joke.
Of course it is the definition of entitlement. It was previously included, and therefore you feel entitled to get it that way forever regardless of the environmental consequences.
Of course they should do this. Why would they do it any other way? There is never a perfect time to start doing the right thing, so they should just start doing it and take the heat from the inevitable whiners and complainers.
So many people have made this comment, it is honestly bewildering to me how it can be this common of an idea. They just announced the new iPhone 14 today at a price of $999. If Tim had come out and said, "We were going to charge $1019 for the phone, but because we took the charger out of the box, we are only going to charge you $999, and would all of these inane, emotionally charged, illogical comments have evaporated? Should I really lower my esteem of everyone's collective critical thinking skills to think that THIS of all things is what people were objecting to?
We do buy music with no physical packaging anymore. We do sell products without their bottles anymore. You go to the store and refill your existing containers. We need to collectively stop buying single use plastic packaging and any solution that can help us along there is very much welcome.
If they have access to an A port, they also have access to an A to lightning cable. If they previously had an iPhone, that is.
It can be both. Sometimes what’s good for the environment is ALSO good for a company’s bottom line.
Lucky for Apple, more than 100 million folks won’t have that problem this year. A similar number won’t have that problem next year. etc. etc.
No, if they were genuinely concerned, they wouldn’t producing and releasing NEW products, some available for purchase today with environment killing transportation to get them to customers before the end of the month! They would be shutting down their business and turning their land to oxygen giving parks.
Right to repair means they’re still digging materials out of the ground and expending energy to make them. If they REALLY cared about the environment, they wouldn’t make anything for anyone to repair. That’s really the only way.
Yeah and old chargers become dangerous with time....
Plus old chargers charge at a slower rate. Rather than being environmentally correct Apple are just wanting to sell more chargers
Nah, anyone that doesn’t want to believe the claims aren’t going to believe the environmental claims, so there’s zero benefit to even going to the trouble.
I can’t imagine that because I can’t imagine knowing a charger is not included and buying someone an iPhone without also buying a charger. Anyone doing that for a ‘non-techy’ relative aren’t so techy themselves.
There are BILLIONS this lie doesn’t work on. Fortunately for Apple, they only need to sell somewhere over 100 million phones a year.
Shame that if it's your first phone you then have to go out and buy a charger for it. Or if you pass your old phone onto a friend or relative they then have to then buy a charger before they can use it because you had to keep the charger for your new phone. Also, sooner or later your years old charger is going to break so you'll have to buy a new one. I'm sorry but it just sucks that these don't come in the box.
It may not be included but it's quite easy to add a charger to an order during checkout for those who need one.
At this point, I think there is really no convincing the other side. There are those who are either fine with Apple not including the charging brick, and there are those (like myself) who recognise and celebrate said opportunity, and there are those (whom, like those still bemoaning the loss of the headphone jack), that appear to be in the dwindling minority and refuse to see this as anything more than a blatant cash grab.
We will let history be the arbiter of this one, and like the many things that Apple has removed in the past, I have no doubt of who will end up being on the right side of history.
How and why does an old charger become dangerous with time? Charging at a slower rate is fine.
Internal components age, the chargers get very hot, you plug them into the mains...
Would you rather use a new charger or one that's 3-5 years old? I would rather have a new one every time I get a new phone but hey, I'm not going to go on and on about it. I've voiced my viewpoint. Some are fine with the big manufacturers profiteering from green policies and some aren't.
I would rather use the charger I already have and not have a new one needlessly shipped to me in a box.
Just use your charger until it stops working whether that be 3 years, 5 years or 10 years.
Why is it hard to understand that if it costs Apple money, it will cost me money as an Apple Customer. Either they will raise their prices, or they will add fewer features in order to cover the costs. Apple’s profit margin has been remarkably consistent for years. I cannot understand how people think this is free to them. Especially if this is only in a single market, the cost will be very high (new packaging that is only used there, etc.) and consumers there will pay the price. They may not do anything this time, but knowing that it is a requirement next time, they will price it accordingly.
To all those who say that Apple took something away and did not lower the price, you say that based on what? They are not selling the same product as previous years, so how can you know that they did not take the adapter out to keep the iPhone at the same price point, rather than raising it?
Do you think that there is no cost to you if Apple were to include a charger? Do you think that there is really an employer portion of Social Security? Do you think that you do not pay for the health insurance that your employer gives you for free?
All of these things have costs and are calculated in the the cost of business. No existing employer decides how much to pay an employee and then says to themselves: “Wow, I did not realize that I would have to pay for Social Security and employee benefits. I guess we will just make less profit.”
Politicians pass laws like this because they get the benefit of making it seem like their constituents are getting something for free because of their efforts, while all they end up doing is just hiding costs from them - the politician gets the credit and the consumer/employee pays the price.
There’s a few people in this thread who mistake indifference for support. Most people are likely indifferent because they already have a charging brick so have no reason or desire to be ‘outraged’ over Apple’s removal of the charging brick.
And those who are ‘outraged’ need to get some perspective.
And those who are ‘outraged’ need to get some perspective.
If there is something a company can avoid doing/including in your product that is not mandated by regulation = you won't do it.
Example:
You buy an inflatable pool. There is no pump inside. Some gov't passes a law that all inflatable products (Beds, mattresses children's toys) must include a pump since it defies the consumer law that dictates all products should be usable out of the box. A deflated product is not usable in that logic.
Companies file a suit to government indicating a human can inflate a bed, medical authorities agree but they also claim some demographic (older people, younger kids) cannot do that and their subject matter expert opinion solidifies the law. Companies include the most basic pump in the box.
Apple saved tons of money and created a posivive PR campaign with removing the charger.
Less packaging, more products transported per shipping (I'm talking about mass shipping), less packagin in the product to be shipped to consumers = Millions saved.
PR: We're doing it for the environment.
Brilliant.
You cant to revert it back? Talk to your gov't.
Example:
You buy an inflatable pool. There is no pump inside. Some gov't passes a law that all inflatable products (Beds, mattresses children's toys) must include a pump since it defies the consumer law that dictates all products should be usable out of the box. A deflated product is not usable in that logic.
Companies file a suit to government indicating a human can inflate a bed, medical authorities agree but they also claim some demographic (older people, younger kids) cannot do that and their subject matter expert opinion solidifies the law. Companies include the most basic pump in the box.
Apple saved tons of money and created a posivive PR campaign with removing the charger.
Less packaging, more products transported per shipping (I'm talking about mass shipping), less packagin in the product to be shipped to consumers = Millions saved.
PR: We're doing it for the environment.
Brilliant.
You cant to revert it back? Talk to your gov't.
If Apple includes the charger, you're paying for it in the price of the phone. If Apple doesn't include it, you are paying for it as a separate purchase. By not including it, it makes paying for it optional instead of a requirement and cuts down on the "waste" of providing a charger that someone may not need.
Yeah we paid for the charger and we still pay for the charger, make no mistake.