Yes, they should have raised the price $$$ and included a voucher. One can redeem the voucher for a charger or refund. Win-win.
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Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]
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I agree with you about the environmental claims from them being false but to give them credit, the lie actually did work on some people. See this thread for evidence of that.
Brazilian iPhones are going to be 200 reais more expensive. Maybe they’re going to release a “Light” option, without charger and R$200,00 cheaper.
In other words, nothing changes.
In other words, nothing changes.
It’s still an overall win-win all around as long as the number of bricks ordered are less than the number of Iphones shipped.
It also means less green house gases and less gas/petroleum used.
Since when is maximizing profit bad? If one doesn’t agree vote with your $$$.
A better alternative which wouldn’t create a secondary market is to raise the price by $$$ and include a voucher. Voucher can be redeemed for a charger or refund.
Apple wouldn’t reduce the price as it cost more to manufacture new tech than old tech. It’s not like apple is making money by not including the charger as the end product costs more to manufacture.
Yea you'd lose the yearly buyers, but you would most likely get more of the others since more of them would need an upgrade in two years vs one. But then lose sales of the people whose phones crap out between the off and on yearExactly. As implied I think that the overall number of sold units would decrease if there is not some new and shiny "best iPhone ever" every year - but then again that is just my naive opinion
More nonsense from Apple. If it was really an environmental consideration, they wouldn’t have included a usb-c cable in the box knowing they used to provide usb-a chargers. So they know people are going to have to buy new ones to use that cable.
Secondly, they’d have reduced the price to account for the reduced cost price. Instead it was the same, so it was a profit margin driven decision.
Apple just appear untrustworthy when they spout such nonsense that is clearly wrong to anyone with half a brain cell. They act as if people are so stupid not to see through it.
Secondly, they’d have reduced the price to account for the reduced cost price. Instead it was the same, so it was a profit margin driven decision.
Apple just appear untrustworthy when they spout such nonsense that is clearly wrong to anyone with half a brain cell. They act as if people are so stupid not to see through it.
Depends how much I like the food vs my hunger level. Won't eat anything if I'm maximum stuffed, but would eat something like buffalo wings or pizza if I was just full but could still eat.
Absolutely agree. It's absolutely absurd that they don't sell a complete solution to charge your ~$1000 iPhone. Can you imagine buying an iPhone for a "non-techy" relative and they can't actually charge the damn thing? I realize (most) everyone here has tons of lightning cables, power bricks, earpods, etc. laying around, but we aren't everyone.
Hard to say "It Just Works" when you can't charge it out of the box.
Hard to say "It Just Works" when you can't charge it out of the box.
Not if they already got one from another phone purchase or separate accessory purchase, but there will always be people getting their first smartphone that don't have one yet
Mainly for people who don't already have a USB C power adapter.
Apple includes a USB C with lightning cable with the iPhone but no charger with the iPhone 12/13.
That includes new smartphone owners and even older iPhone owners as the original 5W power adapter still works but mainly for overnight charging. But if one needs to power up the newer iPhone quickly, then one needs to buy that new adapter.
This thread is like the headphone jack all over again.
It’s true that many people can’t cope with or adapt to change very easily.
It’s true that many people can’t cope with or adapt to change very easily.
I didn’t think of that but as I recall, the charger end of the 30 pin connector is the standard usb connector. And since the iPhone comes with a cable the answer would still be yes. I have an original iPad with the 30 pin connector and an old iPod touch with the same and both charge with the standard usb charger.
See photo below. Old 30 pin iPod touch and a newer iPhone usb charger.
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And the people that say Apple should lower the price because the adapter is not included reminds me of people who think their rent should go down if they are a long-time, on-time paying tenant. Yeah, doesn't work that way in the real world, lol!
Hey Apple, how about you offer the option at checkout to receive a free charger if needed. Then you can virtue signal (aka increase profits) while not being anti consumer. Probably most people will pick the default no charger option. Same thing with the wired headphones. Some people actually prefer them, or can't afford to add $150 wireless headphones every two years when the batteries die.
Edit to add: Also, don't assume most consumers have USB C charging blocks, as they provided the older USB A style with previous iPhones. The only C blocks I have are third party or ones from HomePod mini, which is kind of inconvenient to unplug to charge a phone every night.
Edit to add: Also, don't assume most consumers have USB C charging blocks, as they provided the older USB A style with previous iPhones. The only C blocks I have are third party or ones from HomePod mini, which is kind of inconvenient to unplug to charge a phone every night.
Good for Brazil. Every country should follow and make Apple, Samsung etc ditch this disgraceful moneymaking practice.
Ok but not including a charger with the phone can also help and is not necessarily just a money grab or marketing gimmick.
Then why didn't they lower the price at the same time they removed it?
I don't see what is hard to understand. It isn't totally the fact they don't include them. They need to be transparent in the way you stated. And they should at least show you chargers, and you pick one. People would complain if they just added a paid one
Apple is pretty transparent about what's included and not included. On the order page, they show you what's included and have the following statement:
As part of our efforts to reach our environmental goals, iPhone [[models]] do not include a power adapter or EarPods. Included in the box is a USB‑C to Lightning Cable that supports fast charging and is compatible with USB‑C power adapters and computer ports.
We encourage you to re‑use your current power adapters and headphones that are compatible with these iPhone models. But if you need any new Apple power adapters or headphones, they are available for purchase.
Hard to believe this lie works on so many people.
Maximizing profit is nothing to be ashamed of. It is, however, disingenuous to spin the profit motive as a solely "environmental" measure when it was very clearly done primarily to maximize profit.
Offering something for free may not have the same desired impact as many (most?) consumers will likely still take the free charger whether they need it or not. It would cut down on the "money grab" argument, though.
I've sort of addressed this a couple of times here, most recently in post #641:
Yeah, I sort of touched on that idea in another post. I assumed that the product and packaging cost for a charger is pretty small so eliminating it would only reduce the phone price a tiny bit (and given Apple's desire to have prices end in "9" it may not have changed the price at all!
).The reality is that Apple actually did lower prices on some iPhones in 2020 (the year they eliminated charger and earbuds) e.g., the 256GB and 512GB iPhone 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max models were each $50 cheaper. Last year, they lowered prices on 128GB and 256GB 12 and 12 mini models by $50 each. Also, in periods of high inflation, supply chain issues, etc. even prices staying the same could be considered a reduction.
You should really work for Apple's marketing department, this was better PR spin than even they have done.
People, a two pack of dual usb chargers is $8.99. If you are one of the few people in the world that doesn’t currently have any usb chargers and are going to buy something that charges via usb, you may want to spend the $9 or ask your friends if they have an extra usb charger they would give you. We don’t need more excess stuff in the world.
Horrible practice which has nothing to do with the environment. We know this because Apple did not deduct the cost of a charger from the cost of the unit when it was removed. Also, how gullible would you have to be to think that chargers, of all things, are bad from the environment when it’s our consumer based society as a whole that’s causing environmental problems.