thats not true tho. Or are you saying there should not be smartphones at all, or any other devices.
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Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]
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No I’m saying Apple ought to release new iphone models less often than every year. Releasing every year creates a lot more electronic waste than the chargers, as they sell millions of iphones every year.
But making ANY number of phones is worse on the environment than making no phones. They should just stop all production immediately if they’re concerned about the environment.
Well they can’t stop making phones altogether, unfortunately they’re a for profit company. But they could release new phones every 2-3 years instead of every single year. That would substantially reduce the amount of electronic waste. A lot more than just removing the chargers from the box.
I’m not quite sure I’m following your logic here. Are you suggesting that if Apple only released a new phone every 2-3 years that they’d sell fewer phones?
No, just that making (and selling) the same amount of phones every 2-3 years will generate less electronic waste than making that amount every year. Just as an example, let’s say they make 1 million phones every year, that’s 4 million more phones out there in 4 years, assuming Apple sold all of them. If they released every other year instead, that’d be only 2 million more phones out there in the same 4 years, also assuming Apple sold all of them.
I'm still not following. If Apple only released a phone every 2 years they'd have to make twice as many as they would when they release them yearly as they'd have 2 years worth of demand built up.
If we really wanted to cut down on the amount of e-waste, a better place to start would be all the cheap plastic handphones being pumped out by the Chinese smartphone OEMs, that go on to either break down or be replaced quickly and then find their way into landfills because there isn't any easy way of recycling them.
At least iPhones are made out of metal and glass, are supported for longer, and have a strong resale market.
I'd go further and eliminate anybody who can't afford Apples prices on the basis that they are harming the environment ..
Let’s take this one step further…if one has to use credit for anything then deny, deny, deny.
Can you cite an example of any phone in the market that :
- is extremely repairable
- sleek looking
- supported for at least 5 years
- resistant to breakage
- has a decent ecosystem
Seems like polluting the environment is only an issue when Apple does it.
I think it's because they remove things that used to be included in the (ever increasing) cost of their products and claim they are doing it for environmental reasons.
If they were just honest and said we want to squeeze out a bit of extra margin they wouldn't invite so much scrutiny.
Btw anybody who has followed suit Samsung etc deserve the same criticism.
Apple can claim it’s a net positive for the environment because it is. Not manufacturing hundreds of millions of chargers, saving the paper, saving the petroleum, squeezing more onto a pallet, etc, etc is a net positive. As far as the cost of the product it is what it is and the consumer decides on price/value.
They are honest and scrutinize away. They aren’t changing.
Yep and they have gotten that criticism, not necessarily in the volume that apple has.
My thoughts exactly.
For example, my cousin who bought an iPhone was shocked that her charger wouldn’t work… since Apple included a Lightning to USB-C cable. I had an extra USB-C charger to give her and if I didn’t, she would have had to use her old Lightning to USB-A cable that was rather beaten up. And then her Lightning to USB-C cable will be waste.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy Apple devices. But they was wrong to not include a USB-C charger, I don’t see how people think otherwise… and what people are really missing. As soon as they moved to Lightning to USB-C cable… they never tried to introduced a better charger than the 5W USB-A charger.
Apple will raise the price, the stock will be fine. The environment on the other hand…
The reasons are not mutually exclusive, you know. Removing the charger can have both the benefit of lowering the cost of selling the iPhones (which can manifest in the iPhone not being as expensive as it could have been), as well as dramatically reducing the amount of e-waste generated in the long run.
Which is in line with Apple’s pledge of being more environmentally friendly where they can (especially when it doesn’t interfere with the design of their products). It’s not perfect, but credit where credit is due, IMO.
Most likely but it is still a group of users inconvenienced with an extra purchase. The positive side is they really enjoy the iPhone a lot more than the Android devices they had previously.
Yep.
If it was about the environment they should've done it years ago.
The truth is their margins had been on the slide for years and there was the increased component costs associated with the 5g hardware, there is only so much you can increase the phone price to make up for it before it starts to become non competitive with other flagships so they've removed everything they possibly can from the box to make up for it.
I enjoy their products too but nobody should pretend that their speil about the environment is anything other than platitudes.