If something is going to be a waste than a short cable rather than a charging brick seems like the better alternative.
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Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]
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Yes, there is that universe of people who buy new iPhones that will be inconvenienced.
Glad to hear they are enjoying the new phone. 👍
So, we are down to picking the lesser of the two. Instead of just supplying a user with a USB-C charger… because she eventually would then have to buy a USB-C charger for the USB-C cable that came with the iPhone.
And why stop with the iPhone… go for the iPad, the Mac as well.
Fair question why are they charging so much for the brick aswell?
$20 dollars for a 1 port 20w USB C charging brick!
It's not that. I think anybody aware of Apple's environment strategy knows that they do everything they can to contribute to the wellness of the environment. I, for one, will admit that. And if they talk about it so much, it's because they're not shy about their strategy.
But when they remove features from us, hiding behind environmental reasons, yet we can prove from many different ways* that it's really just for their wallet, there's a problem.
*Many different ways =
- That humongous box I received for just the charger (I posted the picture in this thread if you're curious)
- Not giving one for free to users who ask for it
- OR... Not lowering the price of the phone the equivalent of the price of the charger
- Saying everybody has a charger at home - but including a USB-C to Lightning cable when actually nobody has anything USB-C in 2020
I can’t answer that question. Let the people who’s defending the move respond.
And let me be clear, I’m all for improving the planet… reducing environmental waste. But there could have been a better solution than this. And as @PsykX they could have provided a USB-C charger for free to those who ask for it or at some discounted price.
Yes.
Or use the usb a to lightning.
Because neither the iPad or Mac can be charged with a 5w brick? But every iPhone ever made can.
Worth noting that when the EU suggested that it would be beneficial environmentally for them to switch to the same charging port that pretty much every other modern smartphone in the world uses thus eliminating the need for lightning cables to be produced at all, Apple objected.
Is it possible the box size was an aberration?
They wouldn’t do that. It would create a secondary market for chargers. What apple should do, imo, is raise the price of the iPhone and provide a coupon. Coupon can either be redeemed for a charger or refund.
Price of the iPhone has stayed constant. This is one offsetting factor.
Who said “everybody” has a charger? That implies 100%. I conjecture it’s most people. Because I conjecture that apple believed that many people has an brick and usb a cable they decided to include usb c cable.
Probably because hundreds of millions of usb a cables would be dumped in the landfill.
Offering a charger as an option for free wouldn't necessarily be a good “environmental” solution as many or most consumers would still likely choose to get in anyway and therefore still create unnecessary "waste."
Many factors go into the pricing of the phone. How do we know for sure that the price isn't lower due to not including a charger? Maybe the U.S. iPhone 14 prices instead of being $829, $929 and $1,129 would've been $849, $949 and $1,149 had a charger been included.
But they also objected on innovation grounds, so they don't want to harm innovation but people should carry on using their USB A cables?
So, to sum it up. You would rather a user to continue using their USB-A cable than buy a charging brick. Then why would Apple supply a USB-C cable to begin with.
Why is this about me? Unless you are referring to the “royal you”? I have no say in the matter at all.
Because they needed to supply a cable of some sort and are acknowledging there is a universe of usb c devices?
Yes and they can't argue both sides, they either want people to hang on to an old cable or they want to move on to better tech.
Exactly.
I would remove extremely repairable from that list. A device that is expensive to repair and only a very few are allowed to repair because it’s sealed with glue and all components are soldered inside is NOT extremely repairable. It may not be totally unrepairable, but it’s certainly far from extremely repairable. I can’t believe anyone can be happy with that. Great job by Apple in brainwashing people into thinking that limited repairability is any good for them.
It’s not both sides, it’s the same side. How do you know apple does not have lightning v4 in development slated to be released in the iPhone 15? For example.
In furtherance of the point, when said product is sold by a company that has openly opposed third party repair it certainly shouldn't be described in that way.
If they do it won't be on any phones sold in the EU by the end of 2024 and lets be honest if they did why move to USB C on the iPad?
This is what was responded to. Whether op believes apple is serious or not is irrelevant, let’s see where the industry is with this. And hence my question.
They did include the USB-C charger for one year, with the iphone 11 pro and pro max (the basic iphone 11 still came with the usb-A charger that year for the last time). Then starting in september 2020 they stopped including chargers with all of their products except iPads and Macs.
Nobody else is doing it so it's fine. Apple were at the forefront of making devices non upgradable/unrepairable most if the rest of the industry aren't doing it because they followed Apples lead !
Look at the charging brick situation Apple does it Samsung follows, it will be the norm in a few years time.
That’s because it’s apple’s brick, you’re paying a premium just for their brand name. For much less you can buy a 3rd party USB-C power brick that will do the exact same job but won’t have Apple’s branding on it.
Lol.. because you made a suggestion “Or use USB-A cable.” Not trying to target you at all.