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This should have been done in the U.S. too. So many people out there buy iPhones and they have no idea they have to buy and pay for the charger separately. Or Apple could have provided a free charger if needed.

Think of going to Mcdonalds and ordering a 🍔 Big mac. But you don't get any buns and cheese. You have to ask for the buns and cheese to be included for some extra $.


You forgot about how earlier Big Macs had buns and cheese. That makes the analogy work just like the iPhone issue.
 
Good. I’m all for cutting down on waste but we all know it’s straight up a money grab. If it weren’t, Apple would allow people to get a free charger per new iPhone if truly needed.
Manufacturers are just going to raise prices, they know how to play this game.
What next, every phone should include
head phones ?
case for protection ?
battery pack ?
2 year warranty ?

We consumers pay the price, none of this is free.
 
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Am I the only one who buys a new iPhone when one dies, and doesn't need some silly charger for peasants?
No you're not the only one and you know you aren't. But whether you need it or not doesn't change the fact, they should include one. Some people do need one or heck just want a backup if their current one breaks. It isn't too much to ask that a charger be included with your phone.
 
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That’s a ridiculous analogy.

It’s more like you get your Big Mac, but want extra mayo so they charge you $0.25 for each packet. Your Big Mac comes exactly as advertised on the menu and most people like it that way. If you want extra you pay.

The iPhone isn’t missing anything to function. It comes with the iPhone and a USB-C to Lightning cable to connect to the existing charger the majority of people own.

Or, maybe all those people whining about Apple adopting USB-C so their iPhone would work with their existing chargers without needing a separate cable were…I don’t know…lying?
Ok can we use this phone straight out from the box? Again, not everyone has the extra chargers. Not everyone lives same life as your next door crazy neighbor.
 
They are totally right on this one! I’m with Brazil.. I want a charger with my new iPhone. Saying it’s cheaper is just nonsense, the iPhone this year is going up in price anyway. They should be forced to sell them with chargers again. If I sell my iPhone to someone else the first thing they ask for is the charger with it, resell shops here in Ireland won’t take phones without a charger either. It’s a rip off for customers. It’s APPLE saving money and making more for users to pay a new charger! Not us!
How do you think this is a rip off ?
Apple is not eating the cost of charger right ?
they are getting the cost of the charger from customers.
What they will do now is raise the price of the phone and include thew charger.
Now why should i pay more money for the phone if i already have the charger ?

Why can't people who don't have a charger buy one.
 
Discriminatory? That’s not quite the word I’d use 😂 but I do support this ruling…the whole environmental thing is understandable yet kinda hard to take seriously, coming from Apple.
 
I thought that when this started, but then would you have to prove somehow you did need one, which there is no way to prove. Everyone would get one if it were free. It was more obviously a money grab because the phone price stayed the say or increased.
not really, if i was given the option i would tell apple to keep the charger, i have enough of them laying around and they are taking up drawer space.
 
Are they being forced to buy iPhones at gunpoint? Why is a company legally required to sell you what you want?
Selling any smartphone without an essential part of it is already illegal under BR laws. It's the same as selling an air conditioner (or TV) without a remote control, a car without wheels... The law says if the accessory is essential to said product, which wired headphones ARE NOT, you can't even sell. Period. If Apple disagrees with that, it can appeal or do business elsewhere...

Companies don't have unlimited freedom to do as they please, it's just like planned obsolescence, which they were sued for. Did you know the same Consumer Code which determined that for Apple chargers specify it's illegal to put any product in the market and don't continue to make replacement parts available for as long as the product in question is still being manufactured or imported?

Even when production or importation is halted, the offer of replacement parts must be maintained for a reasonable time period, in the "form of the law". For how long? There's a decree that states this to never be inferior to the product's life expectancy.

If the law is obscure about this, due to not telling us how many * YEARS *, then past court decisions can be used or we may have an individual evaluation of each case. To me, it's not reasonable for a company that earns so much money (since everything they sell is so expensive) to use a lame excuse just to make more profit, considering that if you buy the charger after you get the iPhone, you are shipping it, too, and probably not contributing to "save the planet", which would be the case if they were sold together.

Apple in this case is assuming they are only selling to repeat customers, and this is false. Even if that's the case, you would probably not sell your used phone (after getting the latest-gen) without a charger.
 
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Ok can we use this phone straight out from the box? Again, not everyone has the extra chargers. Not everyone lives same life as your next door crazy neighbor.
before you order the phone you should know if you have a charger or not, if you don't have charger then you just order a charger.
I have kids at home i am not going to use iPhone with out a case so Apple should ship every iPhone with a protection case ?
If i have a charger why should i pay extra for the charger when i don't need it.
 
Selling any smartphone without an essential part of it is already illegal under BR laws. It's the same as selling an air conditioner (or TV) without a remote control, a car without wheels... The law says if the accessory is essential to said product, which wired headphones ARE NOT, you can't even sell. Period. If Apple disagrees with that, it can appeal or do business elsewhere...

Companies don't have unlimited freedom to do as they please, it's just like planned obsolescence, which they were sued for. Did you know the same Consumer Code which determined that for Apple chargers specify it's illegal to put any product in the market and don't continue to make replacement parts available for as long as the product in question is still being manufactured or imported?

Even when production or importation is halted, the offer of replacement parts must be maintained for a reasonable time period, in the "form of the law". For how long? There's a decree that states this to never be inferior to the product's life expectancy.

If the law is obscure about this, due to not telling us how many * YEARS *, then past court decisions can be used or we may have an individual evaluation of each case. To me, it's not reasonable for a company that earns so much money (since everything they sell is so expensive) to use a lame excuse just to make more profit, considering that if you buy the charger after you get the iPhone, you are shipping it, too, and probably not contributing to "save the planet", which would be the case if they were sold together.

Apple in this case is assuming they are only selling to repeat customers, and this is false. Even if that were the case, you would probably not sell your used phone without a charger.
Why is remote essential for air conditioner ?
Government decides what is essential ?
Why, why can't people decide what they want/need ?
I have kids at home i won't use iPhone with out case, so government should make case essential ?

at the end of the day customers are paying for the charger, it is not free.
 
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then get a fast charger - very simple. Or use your modern computer's USBC port to charge your phone at higher speeds or use your computer's charger?

I have 3x 5W chargers that are plugged in at several spots for overnight charging and I have a 20W at my bag for charging on the go that I rarely use since I plug it into my MBA.

I admire you for still sticking with 5W but that doesn't hold up for the pace of life most of us are already adjusted to. And I'd gladly get that charger but why make me do the extra work of going through different cables / charges and figuring out the "right one"? Just let me decide whether I want the phone that comes with the charger (at extra price or not) or the phone that does not so that I can get on with my life?

A computer's USB-C connection doesn't guarantee that it can fast charge a phone, let alone an iPhone. Plus, iPhone users don't necessarily correspond to people with modern computers at least here in India. And why would you want to take your computer with you whenever you want to charge your phone?
 
Starting in 2022, when you buy a Tesla and certain other electric vehicles they now don't come with a charger for the vehicle. Seems Elon holds the same opinion as Apple and other tech companies on this subject..
 
All the people who support this ruling think that they are getting a free charger.
That assumptions is not true.
We the consumers are paying for the charger.
There is no free meal.
This is similar to free education, free health care.
Some one has to pay it, and Corporations are not paying for it for sure.
So now with this new law people who already have a charger are paying more money for charger even though they don't need one.

Thanks to government of Brazil for forcing me to pay for something that i don't need.
 
If this was truly the reason, they'd have not lost their "courage" and long before switched to USB-Cs for iPhones.

The port of the iPhone doesn't affect the charger at all.
Also, a cable has much less carbon foot print than chargers, but yes, it would be even better for Apple's carbon footprint to not include cables either.

"Apple is also removing the power adapter and EarPods from iPhone packaging, further reducing carbon emissions and avoiding the mining and use of precious materials, which enables smaller and lighter packaging, and allows for 70 percent more boxes to be shipped on a pallet. Taken altogether, these changes will cut over 2 million metric tons of carbon emissions annually, equivalent to removing nearly 450,000 cars from the road per year."

"We’re also focusing on the accessories we ship with each product. In 2020, iPhone 12 and Apple Watch Series 6 devices shipped without power adapters in the box. The change allowed for smaller, lighter packaging. It also allowed us to fit up to 70 percent more products on a shipping pallet—which, in turn, helps reduce emissions associated with shipping. This change also eliminated the need for significant quantities of plastic and zinc since power adapters comprise our largest usage of these materials."
 
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Now how about we start bully them to get the headphone jack back?
And
battery back up.
protection case.
Fast USB C charger.
wireless charger.
2 year warranty including damage to display from drop.

You can bully them into giving anything you want, but you are not getting it for free for sure.
they will jack up the prices, it is easy solution for Apple.
We consumers who don't need charger get screwed and pay more for something we don't need.
 
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How many people in 2022 are buying their first iPhone and don't already have a 5-watt plug?

The bigger issue is that the 5-watt chargers that Apple used to include are worthless. Instead, Apple should include a 20 watt USB-C adapter for free with purchase of every iPhone.
there is no free meal.
Apple will charge customers for the charger.
 
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