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Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]

Anaxarxes said:
That analogy does not make sense at all. According to your analogy iPhone should have come without a battery or screen and you had to purchase these elements in order to use the iPhone.

iPhone comes with a cable that can charge it with any computer/charger that is currently at your household.

PS: in your analogy it would be something like ordering a meal from a restaurant to go and they don't give you a bag for it. Since you have many reusable bags at home, come with one when ordering take away food.
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I wouldn't assume such things. I remember having to go buy a USB-A to lightning cable after my first iPhone purchase, hoping to use it with a "fast charger" I received with my OnePlus and the iPhone not charging at the maximum speeds it was supposed to. So, naturally, I had to get a new charger to go along with it. Few months later, I got the iPad Pro and it comes with a USB-C to USB-C cable and well, I don't have a charger that works with it either and had to go out and buy another one.

Fact of the matter is that even if interfaces look the same in the next few years, they'll continue to evolve, get better characteristics like faster charging speeds. If they're advertising all this as features of the product, I expect it to come with the product.

And even if none of these were true and I had the right charger already with me, I'd still want that charger in the box so that I can charge multiple devices at a time and not think whether this charger has the best possible charging speeds and characteristics to support the device I'm using.
 
julesme said:
How many people in 2022 are buying their first iPhone and don't already have a 5-watt plug?

The bigger issue is that the 5-watt chargers that Apple used to include are worthless. Instead, Apple should include a 20 watt USB-C adapter for free with purchase of every iPhone.
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They weren't worthless if you had a USB-A to Lightning cable. The problem is Apple switched to only including USB-C to lightning and dropped including chargers almost immediately after. Someone switching from Android could conceivably be stuck momentarily without a way to charge their new iPhone. Not the best welcome to a new platform!
 
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andonemorething said:
Really hope other countries also follow suit. And not just order Apple, but every other manufacturer who followed them and did the same BS.
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It'll be great.. When Apple charges more and make an even bigger profit because they have to include pointless stuff no one even needs.
 
zorinlynx said:
They weren't worthless if you had a USB-A to Lightning cable. The problem is Apple switched to only including USB-C to lightning and dropped including chargers almost immediately after. Someone switching from Android could conceivably be stuck momentarily without a way to charge their new iPhone. Not the best welcome to a new platform!
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I mean that they are worthless because of the slow charging speed. No one wants to use a 5 watt phone charger in 2022. From that standpoint, Apple was correct to remove them from the packaging because most people would rather use a 12, 18, 20, or even the new 35 watt charger with their phone. Most people I know were leaving the 5 watt chargers tossed away in a drawer somewhere, never to be used.
 
Are they advertising that the phone can be used without a charger? Are they telling consumers that they are including a charger in the box, but actually failing to do so?

IMO, this is no different than people who build a house next to an airport and subsequently complain to the city that the planes are too loud while demanding noise abatement to keep the jet engines from disturbing their cookout.

I am so sick of whiney, crybaby consumerism.
 
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cocky jeremy said:
It'll be great.. When Apple charges more and make an even bigger profit because they have to include pointless stuff no one even needs.
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Hence, they should provide an option like someone already said here. So that people like you who find it "pointless" can simply not add it and be happy at the savings.
 
Just offer a price as one with iPhone + Charger. If someone don't want charger than he/she gets discount/rebate on price in final invoice. Problem solved.
 
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andonemorething said:
I wouldn't assume such things. I remember having to go buy a USB-A to lightning cable after my first iPhone purchase, hoping to use it with a "fast charger" I received with my OnePlus and the iPhone not charging at the maximum speeds it was supposed to. So, naturally, I had to get a new charger to go along with it. Few months later, I got the iPad Pro and it comes with a USB-C to USB-C cable and well, I don't have a charger that works with it either and had to go out and buy another one.

Fact of the matter is that even if interfaces look the same in the next few years, they'll continue to evolve, get better characteristics like faster charging speeds. If they're advertising all this as features of the product, I expect it to come with the product.

And even if none of these were true and I had the right charger already with me, I'd still want that charger in the box so that I can charge multiple devices at a time and not think whether this charger has the best possible charging speeds and characteristics to support the device I'm using.
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Assumption is the mother of all f-ups. Apple not including a fast charger in the box is a separate thing - there was a charger in the box and at your home that could do the task but you were looking for a better one.

My Nokia 3310 included a NiMh battery in 2002. I went out and bout a Li-Ion battery that was lighter and more durable. A higher end solution - like you were doing with your fast charger purchase.
 
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WiiDSmoker said:
Good. I’m all for cutting down on waste but we all know it’s straight up a money grab. If it weren’t, Apple would allow people to get a free charger per new iPhone if truly needed.
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And all they'll do is raise the price to cover the "extra" cost of the charger.
 
roar08 said:
First, I agree with including a charger. However, there's no evidence the retail charger price was included in the phone price. It could be the charger was included at no additional cost to the consumer. I'm really not taking a side in this argument, but I think it's easy to vilify a $2T+ company w/out any substantive evidence simply because of their market cap or profits, at least in this case.
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Included at no additional cost to the consumer doesn't mean there wasn't a cost regardless of how big the company may be. It's more likely that the per unit cost was too small to justify a phone price change.

$829 less $3 "cost" (made up, don't really know what it is) for charger/packaging = $826 but they want the price to end in 9 so it's back to $829 again. :)
 
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phillypharm said:
Why should anyone have to buy anything else to use their device? Yeah, this person might have an old cable, but what if that cable is 5 years old and frayed?

Even then, if someone is new to Apple and doesn't have a USB-C charger, then what? Buy a USB-A to lightning cable? Why should that be the burden of the user. It's not a screen protector or case.
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Because the world is a risky place and sometimes you have to fight a war for your country and sometimes you have to buy a cable.

Products aren't always self-contained and there shouldn't be a requirement either.

A charger isn't the only thing you need to use an iPhone. You need a mobil plan / subscription from a carrier or at least Internet access from an ISP. In practise, you need an Apple-ID which doesn't come with the iPhone either.
 
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I think apple should offer free chargers for those that want it but this ruling is still ridiculous. Each company can decide what is worth putting in the box.
 
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indychris said:
Are they advertising that the phone can be used without a charger? Are they telling consumers that they are including a charger in the box, but actually failing to do so?

IMO, this is no different than people who build a house next to an airport and subsequently complain to the city that the planes are too loud while demanding noise abatement to keep the jet engines from disturbing their cookout.

I am so sick of whiney, crybaby consumerism.
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When a person buys something that requires charging to function, they typically will assume the parts needed to charge it will be included.

This isn't whiney or crybaby. It is just not being pleased with a company trying to nickel and dime for a necessary part of the product.
 
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julesme said:
I mean that they are worthless because of the slow charging speed. No one wants to use a 5 watt phone charger in 2022. From that standpoint, Apple was correct to remove them from the packaging because most people would rather use a 12, 18, 20, or even the new 35 watt charger with their phone. Most people I know were leaving the 5 watt chargers tossed away in a drawer somewhere, never to be used.
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They're still fast enough to charge a phone overnight which is how most people charge. In fact I use an old 5W charger on my nightstand because why fast-charge overnight with increased heat?
 
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And Boom said:
To expand the analogy - you order a cheeseburger, it's not advertised that the bun and cheese are separate and costs extra, and when you get to your table with the closed cheeseburger container, you open and see it's a bare burger and have to go back up to the counter and pay again for the bun and cheese separately.
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In this analogy the phone is advertised with a charge....is that the case?
 
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andonemorething said:
Really hope other countries also follow suit. And not just order Apple, but every other manufacturer who followed them and did the same BS.
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The EU is going in the opposite direction with the Common Charger regulations where they'll be forcing manufacturers not to include the charger to reduce e-waste.

In fact, the main motivation behind the EU's plan to force the USB-C port is to support a common charger so that it isn't need to be included with every device.

I'm pretty sure that in 10 years, very few small electronics will ship with chargers.
 
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indychris said:
Are they advertising that the phone can be used without a charger? Are they telling consumers that they are including a charger in the box, but actually failing to do so?

IMO, this is no different than people who build a house next to an airport and subsequently complain to the city that the planes are too loud while demanding noise abatement to keep the jet engines from disturbing their cookout.

I am so sick of whiney, crybaby consumerism.
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The simple matter is that there are people who need the charger either because they don't have one, or they don't know/care about charger/cable specs to find out which one works for the Apple device they're buying and hence simply needs to "buy an iPhone with the right charger" to get on with their lives. Or they just want one more of the right one they already have so that they can charge devices simultaneously.

I don't think Apple at present accounts for such consumers and this is where the problem lies. I've had many friends buy the iPhone, separately buy chargers for cheap and wonder why it's charging slow even though "it fits". Having an option to buy an iPhone that has these included in the box solves such issues.

And even if the interfaces look and remain the same, I'm sure charging speeds and specs will change in the future so such problems will continue to exist.
 
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Anaxarxes said:
Assumption is the mother of all f-ups. Apple not including a fast charger in the box is a separate thing - there was a charger in the box and at your home that could do the task but you were looking for a better one.

My Nokia 3310 included a NiMh battery in 2002. I went out and bout a Li-Ion battery that was lighter and more durable. A higher end solution - like you were doing with your fast charger purchase.
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I wouldn't say the charger at my home charging a modern iPhone at 5W in 2022 was "doing the task". That felt like going back several years since I was so accustomed to fast charging and planning my days and events accordingly.
 
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