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The strings aren't lying I bet it's going to be called the iPhone 4s. However the design will be slightly tweaked. And next year the iPhone 5 will support 4G networks, by that time most networks will have 4G.

Whatever comes out, I'm going to work my butt off to replace this 3Gs.
 
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I think apple has a teaser/marketing manipulative department that plays with our heads... "accidentally" leaks info then pulls it...

Why would they make the references hard to find, then?

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Isnt the 4s just as much rumor as 5

No, there is overwhelming evidence that there will be a 4S.

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Best proof yet that 2 new iPhone models are coming out (4S and the 5):

http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...ppear-temporarily-on-cincinnati-bell-website/

Eh, I wouldn't consider TechnoBuffalo "reliable" - No offence.
 
So the iphone 4 and 4s are indistinguishable. Now people will think I have ip4.



NO BUY

People won't know what kind of CPU you have in your macbook, or if your macbook has thunderbolt either. When last have they changed the design of the MacBooks? All they do is upgrade the internals if it's a real good design. If it aint broke don't fix it(fix the antenna though)
 
Expect nothing.

Then maybe you'll be excited by everything on Tuesday. And if nothing comes out, you won't be disappointed.

BL.

I've been saying this all along, so many people are setting themselves up for a big fall.

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Apple has hundreds of marketing EXPERTS, so whatever they do will probably work out pretty well for them. Meanwhile, a few people sitting at their computers hitting refresh over and over again predict that a spec bump will fail? When have people like this ever been right in the past? Just look at how well the 3GS went.

My point is, we really know nothing so why don't we kick back, relax, and let Apple put on a show for us on Tuesday. Then if like some are saying we only see a spec bump, then instead of posting that you will buy something else on forums, actually go out and buy that SII or Bionic. Good for you if you decide to do that.

Yeah, I totally agree, they're almost as worse as the "I know how Apple works so I can't be wrong" group.

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You do know they are releasing 2 versions.

The iPhone 4S and iPhone 5.

The 4S is a lower model that most likely will be $99.

The 5 will be a higher model.

Here is a link that show a leak of both.

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/01/iphone-5-appears-temporarily-on-cincinnati-bell-website/

That leak proves nothing, there will be no iPhone 5. Just the 4S.
 
If this is the "real" icon,.. the GSM version has the same antenna design as the CDMA version :)


And that isn't a good thing. The antennas are designed with specific frequencies in mind. The CDMA antenna will not be efficient on GSM/UMTS frequencies.
 
I have to admit I will be disappointed if there is no iphone 5 on tuesday.

Why? I don't get all these people who would be disappointed without a new redesign. The current one is one of the best. Why would it be underwhelming?

There is nothing underwhelming about, Faster, more RAM, better Camera, iOS 5, Assistant, iCloud is a major update. Plus it's still a beautiful phone.

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Let's make things interesting. People on each side of this debate say they are absolutely sure they are right. So why not put a little weight behind your words? How? Bet your profile on it.

No matter which side you take, put your MacRumors profile on the line. Change your signature to reflect your feelings, and pledge to suspend your posting for a two week period if you are wrong, just like I did. Because I'm absolutely positive Apple will not be releasing an iPhone 5. All evidence points against it, and anyone saying otherwise is just engaging in wishful thinking.

So c'mon, do you have the courage of your convictions to put some weight behind your words? Or are you just spewing hot air?

I agree with everything you just said, wishful thinking is one thing but claiming it would be stupid for Apple just to announce a 4S is another. It will still sell like crazy.
 
What Apple's going to do is, release an iPhone4S as the flagship device, keep people wanting for more as usual and then blow your brains out next year with an all new refreshed iPhone.
Dont think people will be blown away next year, when Samsung are doing it as we speak. I love apple products and I am going to stick with them, but Samsung are in the process of taking over Apple as far as mobile phone hardware. The market has changed considerably since 07 08.
My feelings are no iPhone 5 at this stage, with the market & SJ stepping back is a bad move. IMO
 
actually I was just looking at that on TUAW. There was a 4S picture on the same website. They also said one of their sources said there was no iPhone 4S string in the latest iTunes beta and wasn't in any recent betas. So technically the images of N90A could be a 4S. If they discontinue the 4. Then update the 4S with A5 and thats it.

So whose right. MacRumors or TUAW. Tuesday can't come fast enough.

The 4S was proved to be the N94.

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Be sure to set yourself too. Eat your long time words. ;)

I've said all along if I'm wrong I will have no shame in admitting I was wrong, look I'd love a new redesign too, but I'm trying to be rational here, and most evidence points to just a 4S. What annoyed me was for so many months people called the "4S" name stupid and when I even postulated the name I was made fun of.
 
Lots of people seem certain that without a big cosmetic change the next iPhone can't possibly maintain the market share that Apple want.

This is odd, because...

iPhone 3GS - looks the same as the iPhone 3G which came out in July 2008. That's over 3 years ago. And how's the 3GS doing sales wise? Second best selling phone on the market!

And what's it second to? The iPhone 4!

So, what I'm asking here is, if the iPhone 3GS with a 3 and a bit year old design can do so well, why are people so sure that the iPhone 4 which is only 16-17 months old needs a facelift?

SPOT ON! Couldn't put it better myself!
 
One thing people should remember is that changing the design costs serious money.

I know Apple isn't exactly short of cash, but you can guarantee that the iPhone 4 was a very expensive design. Apple are known for extracting the most from a design as possible. Look at the Mac Pro case, itself an evolution of the Power Mac G5 case. The basic external design hasn't changed much since the original Power Mac G5 was released.

The original polycarbonate Macbook design lasted from 2006 to 2009, The Unibody MacBook Pro from 2008 to now.

To me a larger screen means that the phone will be harder to fit in my pocket, it is something that puts me off the latest Android phones (that and the fact that I don't want to have to re-buy my apps) Also in terms of resolution, the retina display is far better than the competition.
 
Interesting conversation I just had with my father, who was asking me about the new iPhone. He's thinking of getting my mom one, since her old Motorola flip on Verizon is dying and she want's a smartphone so she can put her coupons on it. After we stopped laughing about the coupons part, he starts getting excited about the 5 with the bigger screen and redesign. Keep in mind this man still thinks his iPod classic is the bee's knee's and he actually doesn't even have a cell phone. Upon me breaking the news that the recent rumors were saying it would look like the 4 most likely with some upgraded internals and cool new voice assistant features, he promptly said "Oh....Well tell me about those Droid's. The neighbors have one from HTC and Samsung and they looked really nice and they can't stop talking about them."

Despite what a lot of posters on here say, I think it DOES matter to customers if the phone looks different. I'm already seeing a good amount of iPhone 3G and 3GS user's switching and getting the HTC Inspire, Samsung Infuse and LG Thrill at work, mainly because they were either entranced by the screen size or they just got bored with the interface. Price was another factor. And for them it worked, mainly because they never bought the iPhone for the "user experience" or iTunes integration. They bought it cause they're friend had one and at the time, it was the best smartphone out there. Now...It's a lot closer than that, and I think that both platforms are great and have thier own pro's and con's.

The situation on the smartphone market isn't the same as the old 3G-->3GS days. Despite it's detractors here in the forums, it's clear that Android and Google came to play. They're pumping out some competitive phones, which to me has been born out by the amount of people walking into my store asking about the Galaxy S2 with old iPhone 3g's. I just don't believe Apple can get away with not changing the design. If it is true that they are pushing the refresh date to October, that would make it around 28 month's or so that we are looking at the same iPhone 4 design. Add to that, it does seem like we've been stuck with the same iPhone 4 design much longer than normal. Whether that was due to it leaking early or the launch of the Verizon iPhone later, I don't know. While it might be selling extremely well now, how is it going to look next May 2012 or so when it's going up against the Galaxy S3 or any other multitude of Android phones that are LTE capable and possibly Quad core are on the market with bigger HD display's?

If all we are getting is a 4S and not a redesigned 5....Then why not just do the spec update last summer....release iOS 5 (if that was in fact the cause of the delay) as a software update this fall, along with the Sprint iPhone...and milk the anticipation for a new iPhone redesign (with LTE?) in the summer of 2012? That way you wouldn't have had this risk of a let-down and cries of "What were you doing for 16 months?!?!?"

It just doesn't make sense, and as a current Android user who was/is excited at the prospect of jumping over and experimenting with a new platform, it just makes me want to get an Android with LTE and revisit the idea when the 5 comes out. Why switch to a phone that essentially looks the same as it did in June of 2010 and is just now getting some features (Cloud backup, Voice to Text commands, Drop down notifications) that I've been enjoying in some respects since the G1? Yes it might not have been as fluid or handsome as Apple implemented it, but it worked quite well.

Here's hoping Apple surprises on the 4th and I'm still holding out for a surprise iPhone 5 announcement. I'm not predicting doom and gloom for the next iPhone at all, but I definitely think Apple might take some hits for it in the press and in general reviews for the phone. Fingers crossed over here for a redesign.

My friend you said a mouthful and I agree with every single word. I sit in on a lot of meetings at my work and it used to be when I pulled out my iPhone, everyone went "oooooooo, iPhone eh?". Now, everyone else in the room has an Android HTC or Samsung 4-4.3" screen super phone and pulling out the iPhone is gotten a bit embarrassing. Everyone here may think the iPhone still drops golden nuggets in it's stool, but let me tell you the rest of the populous thinks differently. AND keeping the same design with the same small screen for what will amount to 28 months is either the height of stupidity or arrogance on Apple's part.

I passed on the 4 because it was behind the times 14 months ago. A new chip and camera is not gonna do it for a lot of people.

Now, honestly, a fella came into my office Friday with his new iPhone 4 and we both compared the screen to my old 3gs. Loaded a few websites to get a look at the 'retina' effect on small text. We could hardly tell the difference. Believe me, it ain't the selling point you folks think it is.

This guy has always been a die-hard Apple supporter and Jobs was always god to him, but he's not too happy with the iPhone 4 compared to what's on the marked these days. The screen's too small and he doesn't like the square shape. Even he's looking at Android now.

Apple is going to look damn pathetic if they try to shlep the same phone on the public again after 15 months. It ain't 2007 any more.
 
The key word here is beta, if it was the gold master then i would be a little worried. I might be the only one but i believe theres an iphone 5.
 
People won't know what kind of CPU you have in your macbook, or if your macbook has thunderbolt either. When last have they changed the design of the MacBooks? All they do is upgrade the internals if it's a real good design. If it aint broke don't fix it(fix the antenna though)

thats why i havent updated my mac book yet tho, bc im waiting for a redesign. its getting old having the same thing twice
 
I was watching wwdc 2009 when they released iphone 3gs to see how they exactly sold it to the people ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTU_RFBaCEg


so basically mr cook is going to say .. this is the most powerful fastest iphone yet .. dual core bladibla ....

it has the same revolutionary design we had with the iphone 4 just last summer but inside its totally new ....

and just like that .. millions of iphone4S will be sold ... dissapointed i am.
 
I wish there was a "bet money" option on Macrumors.

This way the stupid people who think there won't be an iPhone 5 redesign and just an iPhone 4S will have to give money to those who aren't stupid enough to think that there won't be a redesign, so not only we'll have some economy to buy the new one but also the skeptical will only have the money to buy the cheap iPhone 4S.
 
seems strange not to use the iphone 5 name

why skip the five name? It seems odd. They skipped iphone 2 by calling it the iPhone 3G, and skipped 3 by using the 3GS name, but skipping the iPhone 5 name seems crazy. especially after they made everyone wait so long for it. so the next iPhone will be iPhone 6? Even if it isn.t a major redisin of the case, it should be called the iPhone 5.

I just hope they come out with something with a bigger screen,

5" 3G ipod touch would be great for me. i'll just get a skype or google talk number.
 
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I wish there was a "bet money" option on Macrumors.

This way the stupid people who think there won't be an iPhone 5 redesign and just an iPhone 4S will have to give money to those who aren't stupid enough to think that there won't be a redesign, so not only we'll have some economy to buy the new one but also the skeptical will only have the money to buy the cheap iPhone 4S.

Maybe is just the other way around..
 
it makes no sense that they will announce 2 iphones (budget and deluxe) with same design. Also, cases that showed up at ATT stores showed a thinner design than the iP4. There may be 1 big announcement (iP5?) and another that just says iP4S will still be sold at discount. Too many contradicting rumors out, perhaps to purposely confuse the public.


But many case designers do say a redesign is coming. I also do not believe Apple is that retarded to let developers see the next product before their announcement. With the amount of coders they have, they can recode itunes' IP4S to IP5 with a matter of minutes.
 
Why? I don't get all these people who would be disappointed without a new redesign. The current one is one of the best. Why would it be underwhelming?

There is nothing underwhelming about, Faster, more RAM, better Camera, iOS 5, Assistant, iCloud is a major update. Plus it's still a beautiful phone.

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I agree with everything you just said, wishful thinking is one thing but claiming it would be stupid for Apple just to announce a 4S is another. It will still sell like crazy.

At least i will be. Alot of ppl talking on 3gs still sell but dont forget there's no galaxy and other speedy andriod phones back. Some compare to macbook but why, its a different story. Mobile phone form factor is more important than laptop.
 
it makes no sense that they will announce 2 iphones (budget and deluxe) with same design. Also, cases that showed up at ATT stores showed a thinner design than the iP4. There may be 1 big announcement (iP5?) and another that just says iP4S will still be sold at discount. Too many contradicting rumors out, perhaps to purposely confuse the public.


But many case designers do say a redesign is coming. I also do not believe Apple is that retarded to let developers see the next product before their announcement. With the amount of coders they have, they can recode itunes' IP4S to IP5 with a matter of minutes.

oh and to add, yes a redesign is necessary for the iP4 because the design sucks with reception (death grip) and no, i dont know to use a case to fix this fundamental issue and obvious design flaw
 
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Does the iPhone 4s being in iTunes really mean anything? We know that the 4s has existed for a long time as at least a developer model -- I remember reading a story here in March or so that said a few high profile devs got the 4s so that they can develop for the new hardware without seeing the new design.
 
I wish there was a "bet money" option on Macrumors.

This way the stupid people who think there won't be an iPhone 5 redesign and just an iPhone 4S will have to give money to those who aren't stupid enough to think that there won't be a redesign, so not only we'll have some economy to buy the new one but also the skeptical will only have the money to buy the cheap iPhone 4S.

You're talking crap, it's actually the rational people who use logic who believe there won't be a redesign. There has been no evidence, none of it whatsoever. The 4S on the other hand. The evidence goes all the way back to April.
 
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